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A08562 A manuell or briefe volume of controuersies of religion betweene the Protestants and the Papists wherein the arguments of both sides are briefely set downe, and the aduersaries sophismes are plainely refuted. Written in Latine in a briefe and perspicuous method by Lucas Osiander, and now Englished with some additions and corrections.; Enchiridion controversiarum. English Osiander, Lucas, 1571-1638. 1606 (1606) STC 18880; ESTC S101908 177,466 558

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Scripture saith thou wilt not leaue my soule in hell Psalm 16 10. The sorrowes of hell compassed mee about Psalm 18. But that these Psalmes speake not of Dauid but of Christ our Aduersaries themselues cannot denie seeing the former is alleaged of Saint Peter expreslie in his Sermon of Christ Acts 2 27. 6 The Scripture sayth nothing of the perpetual Virginitie of Marie of a certainty Therefore it is insufficient Ans 1. Be it neuer so much that the scripture say nothing at all of the perpetuall Virginitie of Marie yet might it not therefore be said to be insufficient to our saluation for we are not hereby saved because we believe that Marie after the birth of Christ remained a Virgin but because we believe in Christ who according to the Scripture Isai 7. 14 was borne of a Virgin 2. The perpetuall Virginitie of Marie may bee shewed by the phrase of Scripture where it sayth And hee knew her not Vntill She had brought forth The word Vntill doth note also perpetuitie as the Raven returned not vntill the waters were dried vp vpon the Earth Genesis 8. 7. which Raven yet never returned at all 7 Manie things are rightly believed although they be not contained in the Scriptures as the words Trinitie Essence Person c. Ans 1. A thing is sayd to bee contained in the Scriptures two manner of waves according to the letter and according to the s●nse by a good consequence Or sometimes the things onely sometimes together with the things the wordes signifying the things are expressed also So the thing of Trinitie and Persons in the Deitie the Scripture expresseth Mat 3 16 17 28 19. Althogh the very words be not cōtained there 2 We are not heerby saved for that wee vse and approve these words which were invented for a more easie and plaine waye of teaching but for that we steadfastly believe the thing it self which is found in the scriptures 8 There are many bookes lost as the Epistle to the Laodiceans c. Therefore the Scripture cannot be sufficient to saluation Ans 1 There are yet remaining other bookes which are sufficient 2 S. Iohn sayth of his Gospell alone that it containeth all things necessarie to saluation Ioh 20 31 9 The Canon of the holy Scripture which is a thing necessarie to saluation is not contained in the holy Scriptures Ans 1. The Canon is a thing necessary not of it selfe but by an accident to wit because heritickes had forged certaine counterfaite bookes which if they had not done there had been no need of a Canon 2 The true Canon is the perpetuall rule of truth which is comprised in the Scripture For therfore false counterfaite bookes are not received because they contradict the Scripture and the truth neither do agree with the authenticke Canonicall bookes 3 And the Church of Christ could for 300. yeares almost discerne the true Scriptures frō the counterfaite before the Fathers had composed the Canon and catalogue of holy writte The Canon therefore is not simply necessary and is contained after a sort in the Scripture 10 Hee shall bee called a Nazarite Mat 2 23. but this is not contained in the writings of the olde Testament Ans Yes this is typically spoken of Christ in the person of Sampson Iudg 13 5. And our Aduersaries if they be well in their witts will not reiect the types of Christ set out in the olde Testament Question 2. Whether the Scripture be obscure We deny they affirme We say it is plain for these reasons The Lawe of the LORD is perfect conuerting the soule the testimonic of the Lord is sure and giveth Wisedome to the simple Psalm 19 7 Nothing of all which the Scripture could effect especially to the simple if it were obscure The commandement of the Lord is pure and giveth light to the eyes verse 8 Thy Word is a Lanterne to my feete and a Light vnto my path Psal 119 105. Wee have a most sure worde of the Prophets to the which you doe well that you take heede as vnto a light that shineth in a darke place c. 2 Pet. 1. 19. Contrariwise our Aduersaries reason thus 1 Many sayings in the Scripture are very obscure Ans 1. We may not dispute from a part to the whole saving only particularly and of meere particulars no conclusion wil follow 2. Some things be obscure in the Scripture not of themselues but accidentally and the vaile that covers the eyes of the Iewes and other infidels is the cause thereof the word 2 Co 3 15 is not the cause 3. That which is spoken more obscurely in one place is explained more clearely in an other And so by conference of places the clearenes of the Scripture appeareth 2 Saint Peter sayth that in Pauls Epistles there be some things hard to bee vnderstood 2. Pet. 3. 16. Ans 1. Some things are hard to bee vnderstood therefore not all Heere the former answere fits this obiection that is that those things which are written of Paul more briefely and some what obscurely in one place are in other places most fully explained 2. Peter layes the fault of the obscurity vpon the vnlearned and vnstable which wrest and peruert the Word of God Now nothing was ever so plainly delivered which may not bee wrested by the frowarde to a wrong sence which is apparent in the outragious dealings of Heritikes Neither yet is the Scripture for that cause to be accused of obscuritie 3. Over and besides the greek text saith not that either the Epistles of Saint Paul or the maner of his teaching which he vseth in his Epistles is obscure but only thus much it sayth that Paul doth intreate of not onely such things as are plaine and easie for everie one to conceive but that he doth not let passe in handling of things necessarie to beknowē such things as have in them some difficultie Which to bee so the nature of the Greeke Article En Hois which cannot answere or agree with the Antecedent En autais but with peri Toutoon accordingly also as Xantes Pagninus and Arias Montanus both of them Papists and Men very skilfull in the tongues have translated this place 3 In the Scripture are handled many things most obscure and such as cannot be found out by the wit of man to reason seeme very absurde Ans 1. They be obscure absurd to the reason of the naturall man but not to faith 2 It is not all one to say obscure things are hādled in the scriptures things are handled in the scriptures obscurely For thē by the same reason euery explication of an obscuritie should be it selfe nothing else but obscurity 4 The Greeke Hebrue Phrases breed obscurity Ans 1 To them that know not the tongues they be obscure Therefore that is but accidentally 2 This inconuenience is easily remedied by the knowledge of the tongues 3 Therefore the Primitive Church had the gifts of tongues And at this day by the singular
17 11. Christ bids all in generall search the Scriptures Neither did hee giue this charge to the Priests alone but to others his hearers also Ioh 5 39. S. Peter willeth all euen Lay men too to be ready to giue an answer to euery man that asketh them a reason of the hope that is in them 1 Pet 3 15. which that they may do it is needfull that they learne it out of the Scripture Contrariwise our aduersaries reason thus 1 The Scripture hath many obscure things therefore the Lay people can reade it with profite Answ 1. Although all things be not to euery man plaine yet the people alwaies finde such things as they may vnderstand 1 those things which seeme hard by often reading become more easie 2 The Lay people by reading the Scriptures misvnderstood do easily fall into heresie it were better therefore they should refraine Ans 1. If they fall into heresie that comes accidentally not because they reade the Scriptures but because they read them not in such manner as they should do and doe preferre ●heir formerly conceiued opinions before the Scripture and wrest it to them 2 On the contrarie side good men and well minded hauing been deliuered frō herisie by reading the Scriptures haue returned to the truth 3 To whom it belongeth not to iudge of cōtrouersies to them neither doth it belong to read the Scriptures but it belongeth not to Lay-men to iudge of cōtrouersies therfore neither to read Ans 1 The Minor or second proposition is most false 2 Then had the Beraeans done amisse in reading and from thence deciding a controuersie then newely sprung vpp 3 Seeing euery one is bound to answer to God for himselfe it is needfull for euery Lay-man to proue all things and keepe that which is good 1 Thessa 5 21. 4 So should the order which discerneth betweene teachers learners be confounded Ans This we denie for a Lay hearer may try and examine those things he heareth by the Scripture remaine for all that a hearer still for he doth not therfore take vpon him the office of teaching in the church because he examineth the thinges which hee hath heard of his teacher by the touchston of the holy Scriptures As likewise the Beraeans became not therefore of the order of teachers because they iudged of the Sermons of Paul and Silas CHAP. 3 WHether the interpretation of the holy Scriptures bee to bee sought for from the Church of Rome This question arose from hence that the Papists seeing that wee did esteeme more of the holy Scripture than that we would suffer the authority thereof to be diminished and that the letter of the Scripture did manifestly make for vs did straight change the state of the question and said that the question was not of the authority of the Scripture but of the interpretation thereof the right of which interpretation they make to be so peculiar to the Church of Rome that they would binde vs to receaue any interpretations that should come from thence bee they neuer so absurd and false But we gainsay them herein and reiect the forged power wherby the Bishops of Rome make claime to the key of knowledge and interpretation as committed to them alone Reasons prouing our opinion Because the interpretations of the Papists contradict the euidences of holy Scripture as shall be most plainely prooued in his due place Because the greatest part of them are most vaine as for example that the eight Psalm is expounded by the Canonists as meant of the Pope which notwithstanding speakes of Christ alone as the Apostles and Christ himselfe haue interpreted it Because they affirme as by name Cusanus doth that if the minde and opinion of the Romane Church be changed that then the holy Ghost doth change his mind in the Scriptures too What an impious mad absurdity is this Many times they explaine not the Scripture but wrest it violently shamefully to vphold their own toyes contrary to the text of Scripture The gifts of God such as the interpretation of the Scripture is one are not tyed to certaine persons places for God distributes these his gifts to euery man as he will 1 Corinth 12 ●1 It is no where read that the whole Church is tied to the meaning of the Romaine Church but to the meaning of the holy Scripture which doth expound it selfe most clearely Contrariwise our Aduersaries doe argue 1 If we beleeue the Romane Church that it hath conuayed vnto vs the true proper books of the Bible and not counterfait and forged thē must wee belieue her also in the interpretation which she bringeth of the holy Scripture Ans 1. It is one thing to beare witnes of the truth of the sacred books and an other thing Simil ●t is one thing to acknowledge the Seals hanged to a Testament and another to expound it contrary to the Teuor of the letter to expound them So the Iewes are witnesses of the Canonicall books of the olde Testament yet we accept not of their Talmudicall interpretations 2 Moreover the interpretations of the Papists do contradict that same Scripture wherof they beare witnesse 2 The Scribes and Pharises sit in Moses chaire all therefore whatsoeuer they bid you obserue that obserue and do Mathew 23 2 3. Ans 1 The Pharisies were to be believed not simply in all things but when they sate in the chaire of Moses that is when they taught the truth out of the law of Moses It is therfore a fallacie from that which is spoken but in part and some respect to that which is absolutely spoken 2 They were to be hearkened vnto when they taught Moses but in the meane while Christ said also Take heede of the leaven of the Pharisies Now Christ by the leaven of the Pharisies meant their false doctrine as S. Mathew expressely witnesseth cap. 16 v. 12. that is Christ did reiect the Pharisies false interpretatiō of the Scripture So then wee must distinguish betweene the scripture it self which the Papists handle their false interpretatiō or humane traditiōs wherwith they defile it 3 God would have thē punished with death which would not obey the judgment of the high Priest Devter 17 12. Ans 1 Moses speaketh not of matters of faith but of civill government betweene bloud and bloud betweene plea and plea betweene plague and plague as the wordes of Moses are verse 8 in which matters for publike peace sake it was necessary there should be some order appointed for ending of controversies For the high Priest at that time was the highest Iudge from whom no man might appeale 2 It was not in the high Priests choise to judge as hee pleased but hee was tyed to the lawe of the Lord according to which he gave sentence In like sort is the Popetyed to it too 4 The Priests lippes shall preserue knowledge they shall seeke the law at his mouth for he is the messenger of the Lord of Hosts c
Malach 2. 7. Ans 1 Malachie there shewes what is the dutie of the Priests But that the Priests did not their dutie the verie next words following declare But you are gone out of the waye you have caused many to fall by the lawe c. verse 8. 2 This argument changeth the manner of the speech for the words are a commandement teaching what the Priests should doe but the Papists do vniustly turne them into words of promise iust as if a man should say God hath sayde thou shalt not steale therefore no man stealeth CHAP 4. Of Traditions THE word Tradition often times is simply taken for anie kinde of doctrine whether it be written or delivered by word of mouth But by the name of Traditions are such things also meant which were not written but onely delivered by word of mouth and so have beene from hand to hand conveyed to our age These kinde of Traditions are of two sorts Some containe Ceremonies of nature indifferent and changeable according to the circumstances of place and time which though they be not expressed in Scriptures yet because they are not contrarie to the same and are retained in the Church as things indifferent are not called into question But there bee other sorte of Traditions in Poperie which are contrarie to the Scriptures and whereof there appeares not so much as one step in the Scriptures such as are the Canon of the Masse Holy water a set number of prayers holy Candells and an infinite number more which are commēded to the World vnder the glorious name of Apostolicke Traditions to the observing whereof as being Apostolicke all Christians are bound if wee will believe the Papists The question The state of the question then is 1. Whether besides the Scriptures the Apostles delivered some things by word of mouth only 2 Whether they delivered those things by word of mouth onely which at this day the Papists bragg of as of Apostolick Traditions We deny both the former wherof wee prove by the sufficiencie of the holy Scripture which containes all things necessary to saluation Whereof we have intreated before the later wee prove by these reasons following Because these their Traditions are contrarie to the Scriptures which we wil prove clearely hereafter But we may not thinke that the Apostles writt some things and delivered by word of mouth other and those contrarie to their writings Because in Pauls time such Traditions began to bee suspected in the Church which appeares by the words of S. Paul 2. Thessal 2 2. Be not suddenly moved from your mind nor troubled neither by Spirit nor by Worde nor by letter as sent from vs. Because it may be proved out of histories that such traditions had their first beginning some ages after the Apostles death Wherof see in particular Polidor Virgill especially concerning the Canon of the Masse de Inuererum lib 5 cap 11 c. It is proved by many manifest reasons that those bookes and Canons wherby they indevour to procure authority and credit to their Traditions are forged and counterfaite such as are the Canons of the Apostles the Decretalls the Decrees of Popes the books of Clement and Dyonisius Areopagita Neither do our aduersaries doubt but that many such Canons bookes are counterfeits Such Traditions of men are condemned by the holy Scripture 1 Because they are in cause as Christ witnesseth that in the mean time the Cōmandements of God are neglected Mat 15 3 2 Because God is worshipped in vaine by the doctrines and precepts of men verse 9. 3. Because the Traditions of men cannot reach into the minde of God for my thoughts are not as your thoughts neither are your waies as my wayes saith the Lord For as the Heavens are higher than the earth so are my waies higher than your waies and my thoughts above your thoughts Isay 55 8 9. Whence it commeth to passe that those things which men admire for their singular holinesse do most of all displease the Lord God 4. Because such plants as are not planted of the heavenly Father shall bee rooted out Mat 15 13. Because wee must rely our selues wholly on the Word of God in worshipping of God and that onely must we doe which he hath commanded Neither may we add or diminish anie thing there from Deut 12. 32 neither may we decline from the commandements of God either to the right hand or to the left Deuter 28 14. Because the Traditions of men are deceipts or trappes Beware sayth Paul least there bee anie man that spoyle you through Philosophie and vaine deceite through the Traditions of men according to the rudiments of the World and not after Christ Colos 2 8. Contrariwise our Aduersaries doe argue 1 Brethren stand fast and keepe the traditions which you haue been taught either by word or by our Epistle 2 Thessal 2 15. Therfore our Traditions to wit the Papisticall are to bee received and kept as Apostolike Traditions Ans 1. All the Propositions are particular and it is such a kinde of absurde reasoning as this The Apostles delivered some things by word of mouth we have some Traditions therefore our Traditions are Aposto●ike 2. It is a fallacie from a part to the whole for when Paul wrot these things fewe of those ●hings which appertaine to the Canon of the New Testament were then written That ●herefore which Paul meant in respect of ●hat time when as al were not yet written that the Papists vnderstand simply even of that ●ime when the Canon was perfected when as ●ow wee have all things in the Apostles wri●ings which are needefull to bee knowen for ●aluation 3. There are foure termes in the syllogisme in the Maior are vnderstood Traditions doctrinall Apostolicke in the minor forged Traditions inuented long after the Apostles time 2 Christ did not altogether reject the Traditions of the Fathers where he sayth these things ought you to have done and not to have left the other vndone Luke 11 42. Answe Christ there opposeth the strict obseruance of Moses his law not of mens Traditions in outward small matters as in ●ithing of cumime mint the neglect of the principal duties of the first second Table both which should have beene ioyned together obserued as being both the commandements of God This reason therfore 6 is like a rope of land 3 When Paul and Timothy went through the Citties Tradebanteis they delivered or gave them for Traditions the decrees to keepe which were ordained by the Apostles Elders which were at Ierusalem Act 16 4. Ans 1 It followes not The Apostles 7 deliuered somethings therfore the Papisticall Traditions are Apostolicke There is no coherence in this reason 2 Paul and Timothie deliuered not vnwritten verities but those things which were decreed of the Apostles and then comprized in writing sent to the Church of Antioch The Papists therfore dispute from a written to an vnwritten Tradition 4 Paul saith that hee deliuered
certaine precepts to the Corinthians which they did well that they obserued them 1 Corin. 11 2. Answ The same answer which was giuen to the first obiection fits this too that is that there is no sound proofe of all particulars The Papists should prooue that those Traditions proceeded from the Apostles which they bragge so fast to bee Apostolicke 5 The Fathers testifie that certaine Traditions came from the Apostles to them Answ 1. The Fathers many times by the name of Traditions vnderstand such things as are contained in the Scripture according to the sence and meaning thereof though not according to the Letter And in this sence there bee in the reason foure termes the Fathers vnderstanding Traditions contained in the Scriptures the Papists Traditions not at all there contained 2 The Fathers by Traditions Apostolick vnderstand sometimes generall customes and rites of indifference which was in the liberty of the Church to alter as occasion should require 3. If any of the Fathers haue maintained other sort of Traditions as Apostolick then the question is whether they did well in accepting such Traditions for Apostolicke which were not Apostolick neither did cōsent with the holy Scripture 6 That infants should be baptized that the Eucharist should bee deliuered to women c. wee haue receiued from vnwritten Tradition onely Answ 1. The Antecedent is not true for concerning the former wee haue Scripture that Baptisme is needfull for all and that it doth belong vnto Infants Iohn 3 5. Mark 10 14 15 16. 1 Corinthians 1 16 c. 2 The Trent Catechisme proueth the Baptisme of Infants by diuers places of Scripture Part 2. cap. 2 quaest 26. As for the latter that the Eucharist belongeth to the whole Church and so vnto women wee haue Christs commandement Math 26 26 27 28. Mark 14 22 c. Luk 22 19 20. 1 Cor 11 26 27 28. 7 The obseruation of the Lords day is not found in the Scripture Ans Seeing it is acknowledged by both sides by the Papists as well as by the Protestants that to set a certaine time a part for Gods seruice is a morall and immurable law and that the Apostles left to the Church the first day of the weeke which is the Lords day in Parte terti● ca. 4 quaest 4. steede of the seuenth day which the Iewes obserued as the Trent Catechisme proueth out of 1 Corint 16 2 and Reuel 1 10 We ought to acknowledge it as a precept of God grounded on the Scriptures CHAP. 5. Of the Letter and the Spirit THE Papists seeke themselues an other starting hole when as they cannot proue See Fran. Coster in his Enchiridion of Cōtrouersies Cap 1 of th● holy Scripture out of the holy Scripture many their Idolatrous and superstitious opinions to say that the Scripture is a dead and killing letter but the Spirit that is the meaning of the Scripture is contained in the liuing tables of the heart of the Church that therefore all things ought to be iudged determined not out of the Scrip but by the consent of the Church So for examples sake whereas nothing is found in the letter of the Scripture concerning the worshipping of Images that say they is to bee sought for in the hearts of the faithfull that is of the Pope Cardinalls c Wherein the holy Spirit hath written it that Images are to be worshipped As for vs we acknowledge no other Scripture wherein God doth by writing reueale his will beside the sacred bookes of the Bible and this spirituall Scripture of the Papists we reiect Because the holy Scripture described and comprised in letters deserueth this praise that it can make a man perfect therefore vnto There is one manner of Spirit in the outward Scripture another in the inward which are cōtrary one to another concerning the authoritie of the Scripture Note heere the Spirit of Christ and Antichrist perfection there is no neede of any other new spirituall Scripture 2 Because that spirituall Scripture which the Papists forge doth disanull the authoritie of the holy Scripture penned in paper by the instinct of the holy Ghost But the holy Ghost cannot be so contrarie to it selfe as to commend highly the Scripture by the Apostles and Prophets and to diminish the authoritie of the same by an inward Scripture 3 Because this inward Scripture is manifestly proued to bee often ontrarie to the outward Therefore the hol● Ghost if he be the Author of both should ●● conuicted either of falshood or inconstanie By this meanes we should it open a wide gap to all errours whiles euey man would brag of the inward writing o● the holy Spirit and would compare it wit● and preferre it before the holy Scripture Besides this sauours strongly of the error of the Enthusiasts and Schweneldians on this wise This inward Scripture or writing is either mediate or immediate if mediate then the Scripture keepes his old standing to be the meanes and Rule of this inward writing if immediate then they manifestly fall into the error of the Enthusiasts but our Aduersaries accept not of the former therfore of the later All the paines which the Euangelists and Apostles did take in penning the Scriptures were bootlesse if wee should take no more heede to their writings than to such a like inward Schwenfeldian writing Contrarily our Aduersaries doe argue 1 The Letter killeth but the Spirit giueth life 2 Corin 3● Therefore we are not to heede the Scripture w●tten with inke but the inward Scripture of th● Spirit sealed in the heart of the Church Ans 1. T●●t Paul doth not speake of any inward or o●tward distinction of writing but of the diference of the law and the Gospell the w●rdes immediatly going before A view of a Doctour like exposition proceeding frō the inward writing of the heart doe shew ●od saith S Paul hath made vs able Minist●rs of the new Testament not of the ●etter b●t of the Spirit 2 So then there are fiue ter●es taking the word Letter in the Antecedent or former proposition according to Paules meaning for the Lawe and in the consequent or later proposition for the whole body of the holy Scripture according to the Papists meaning and vnderstanding the word Spirit in the Antecedent for the Gospell and in the consequent for Enthusiasme or immediate inspiration from God the argument therefore hangeth together like sand Now S. Paul calleth the law a killing letter because that no man can bee iustified and saued by the law but the Lawe doth rather condemne and spiritually kill But he calls the Gospell Spirit because the Gospel receiued by faith doth giue the holy Spirit which doth quicken our harts create them a new stir them vp to good workes 2 I will put my Lawe in their inward parts and write it in their harts c. Ierem 31 33. therfore the will of GOD is to bee learned not out of the outward but inward Scripture or writing
blessing of God there are many excellent men indued with the knowledge of the tongues who do fitly properly expound the Phrases of the Scriptures 5 There be some customes of the former ages vnknowen vnto vs as that which is said 1 Cor. 15 29. of them which are baptized for dead Ans 1. Some therefore not the whole Scripture The argument therefore goes from a part to the whole 2 Those things pertaine not to faith but to some speciall Ceremonies of the Ancients which faith is never a whit the worse if it know not 6 The Scripture handleth heavenly and high matters such as our reason cannot comprehend Ans 1. By faith wee believe the heavens were made Heb 11 3. 2. The Scripture as much as may be descendeth downe and applieth it selfe to vs and our capacitie 3. Many things are simply to be believed which in this life wee know but in parte but in that which is to come wee shall know fully 7 Some things are handled mistically as the Revelation Ans 1 Such are not Articles of faith therefore wee may be ignorant of them without losse of Saluation 8 Some cannot beare strong meate Therefore in the Scripture some things are plaine and some things are not plaine Ans 1. This is an Argument from a particular to a Generall on this fashion Some things are not vnderstood of all therefore all the Scripture is to be accused of obscuritie 2. Because the weaker sort cannot beare strōg meate the faulte is not in the meate but in their weakenesse Therefore heere is the fallacie whcih Logicians call fallacia accidentis And the stronger in tracte of time may expound the obscure things to the weaker Question 3. Whether the Scripture bee vncertaine and pliable to any sense Our Aduersaries affirme wee denie it Because If the Scripture bee plyable to any side then it will follow that either God coulde not or would not speake more distinctly that his minde might bee vnderstood Neither of which can bee sayde without great blasphemy Wee have a most sure word of the Prophets not flexible and vncertaine 2 Peter 1. The Word of our God shall stand for ever Isay 40 8. But we could not rely vpon the word of God as most true most certain if the Scripture were flexible Heauen and Earth shall passe away but my word shall not passe away Luke 21 33. If wee must belieue this word then doubtlesse it must not be flexible doubtfull and mutable Contrariwise our Aduersaries reason thus 1 In expounding of the sayings of Scripture the best Interpreters the fathers of the church doe not agree therefore the Scripture may bee drawne into diuers sences and meanings Answ The Scripture is not the cause thereof which remaines alwaies the same both for Simil. As if the motion of the stars should therfore be said to varie to change for that Alphonsus P●olomie haue not hit vpō the truest motion words meaning but the cause is the weaknes of mans iudgement Whence it cōmeth that one vnderstands more than an other that one hath more clearenes of iudgment than an other that one is more or lesse furnished with knowledge of tongues than an other or doth lesse diligently compare places of Scripture together and waigh the things themselues by their necessary circumstances antecedents cōsequents what went before what comes after so then the Scripture is not flexible but mans iudgment is diuers therfore let vs chuse the better and refuse the worse 2 But all Heretiks do alleage for themselues the Scriptures Ans I answer 1 as to the former obiection 2 That happens not by the fault of the Scripture but the fault is in Heretikes as S. Peter saith for that they wrest and offer violence to the Scriptures haling their opinions into the Scriptures 3 Vnlesse the Scripture were certaine and free from flexibilitie it could not confute any heresie therfore it is not vncertaine 3 The Copies of the bookes of Scripture might be corrupted by the Scriueners and such as copied them out or by the Iewes Answer From what may be to what is is no good argument 2 By comparing of ancient Copies as also by the Analogie of faith if any be corrupted they may be amended 3 Againe heere is the fallacie which they call fallacia accidentis wheras the Scripture seemes to be flexible and vncertaine but of it selfe it is not but by an accident to wit through some mens negligence 4 But the Hebrue Copy in many places agrees not with the translation of the seuenty Interpreters therfore it is corrupted by the Iewes Ans That disagreeing hinders not the certainty of the Scriptures for the translation of the seuentie Interpreters is not of absolute authority in the Church of God neither is to bee compared or opposed to the Hebrew Bible whereto as to the fountaine in the diuersitie of translations we must euer haue recourse And who can assure vs that that which comonly goes now a-daies vnder their name is the right translation of the seuentie wheras it may euidently be shewed that a great part of the Latine translation of the Bible is not Hieroms which notwithstanding is thrust vpon the Church of God vnder the name of S. Hierome for this the barbarousnes of the Latine translation and ignorance of the Hebrew tongue as also the diuersitie of the stile in diuers places compared together doe apparently in many places conuince CHAP. 2. VVHether the Scriptures ought to bee read of the Lay-people Our Aduersaries denie and wee affirme it for these reasons Because the Scripture dooth make a man ●bsolute perfect to euery good work Lay men haue need of it for this purpose as well ●s the Clergie 2 Timoth 3 17. The Lord commanded that the King who is a ciuill person should read in the book of the law all the daies of his life Deut. 17. The Epistles of the Apostles were written not onely to Bishops and Clergie men but to Lay men too as appeareth by the Epistle of Paul to the Galatians wherein he warneth his Hearers that they discerne betweene false and true teachers So both the former and later Epistle to the Corinthians speaketh manie things to Lay men So likewise the Epistle of S. Iohn where the Apostle saith I write vnto you litle children c. I write vnto you fathers c. I write vnto you young men I write vnto you Babes c. 1 Iohn 2 12 13 14. Peter wrieth to the Elect strangers dispersed abroad If therfore Epistles bee written to Lay men why should they not also be read of Lay men The brethren of the rich glutton were Lay-men whō notwithstanding Abraham sendeth to Moses and the Prophets Luke 6. 29. This was fore-told by Isay They shall be all so Lay men too taught of God Isai 54 13. We haue examples hereof in the Scriptures 1 of the Eunuch who reade Isai the Prophet Act 8 28. 2 Then of the Beraeans Act
infallible as beeing receiued from heauen Heere therefore wee are to handle three questions 1 Whether the Church of Rome or our Church bee the true Church 2 Whether wee ought to grant that there is an invisible Church 3 Whether the Church can erre First of al in the entrance we must obserue● that there may many waies arise ambiguiti● in the word Church First it doth signifie indefinitely Ambiguitie in the word Church euery Church or congregation and is taken both in the good and bad pa●● for any kinde of assembly or congregation whence also the Scripture maketh mentio● of the malignant Church Secondly it is t●ken for the company of them which a● called by the outward ministerie of th● word and Sacraments wherein are gath●red both good and bad Matthew 13. Thirdlie it is taken for the inuisible Church or the company of them which vse the Ministerie of the Word and Sacraments to their saluation and are truely beleeuers which also may bee called the companie of the Elect. Fourthly it is taken foure maner of waies in respect of the foure fold outward face of the Church 1 For the most pure Church of the Apostles 2 for the Church of the Fathers wherein there was a more sincere state of doctrine than in after-ages yet it was not altogether voide of superstition 3 For the Church of Antichrist which is ouerflowne with horrible Idolatrie as with a kinde of deluge 4 For the reformed Church restored according to the conformitie of the Apostolick Church A fift signification the Papists haue made vs vnderstanding by the Church not a company of teachers learners but the Pope Cardinalls Bishoppes Monkes c. By obseruing of these distinctions we shall detect many stratagems of the Papists seeing they play continually with the ambiguitie or equiuocation of the word Church and in their arguments they bring sometimes fiue termes But now let vs come to the questions Question 1. Whether the Church of Rome which at this day blasphemes the Gospell of Christ curseth and persecuteth the professours thereof or ours be the true Church Wee denie that the Church of Rome is the true Church for these reasons Because they want the true notes and the true definition of the Church therefore neither haue they the definitum that is the Church 1. The Church heareth the voice of Christ Iohn 10 27 Which is reuealed in the Scripture which the Papists do not heare and that 1 in refusing it for their Iudge 2 in making decrees in many thinges against it 3 In giuing it but cold and slender commendation 2. Because they haue not the sincere ministration of the Sacraments and that 1 in forging new Sacraments 2 in defiling Baptisme with humane superstitions 3 in making Monasticall habite state equall to it 4 In changing the Lords supper into a sacrifice 5 And in the C●munion of lay people in maiming it of the one kinde that is by taking the cup frō the people they haue not therefore an vncorrupt Ministerie and consequently their Church may not be called a true Church Because they haue not so much as the notes which the Papists themselues require in the definition of a Church 1. Their Church hath not vnitie 1 Because they striue amongst thēselues about manie things 2 They haue not vnitie by reason of the foure-fold face and condition of the Church before noted 2. Their church is not holy because they trust in their own holines which before god is not holines but as filthy clouts Isai 64 6. 3. It is not Catholick 1 Because they haue not the consent of the whole world for the Greeke Church hath alwaies dissented from them in diuers points 2 because they defend not the vniuersall true doctrine of all times therefore they neither agree with the Church of the Apostles nor yet with the Church of the Fathers 4. It is not Apostolick because they agree not with the Apostles doctrine seeing verie many of their thinges are not Apostolick but superstitions raked together and compiled of sundry Authors Take for example there of the Canon of the Masse and the mangling of the Lords Supper which was vnknowne for many ages and at length established by the Counsell of Constance Likewise Indulgences the feast of Corpus Christi other moe without number concerning which looke Polidor Virgil. lib. 4. cap. 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 As also the whole 5 6 7 8 bookes But of such like superstitions of the Romaine Church that they be contrary to the Scripture shal hereafter bee spoken in their proper places sufficiently Contrariwise our Aduersaries reason thus 1 The Church of God hath had the name of the Church euer since the Apostles time therefore it is the true Church Answ 1. It followeth not It was long agoe Simil. This woman was long since a Maid therfore nowe she cannot be an harlot therefore now it is 2 There is no good argument from the bare name of a thing to the thing it selfe 3 Neither yet doe wee denie but that there doth at this day remaine some Church in the City of Rome to wit of such as bee yong children girles and simple men which simply believe in Christ their Saviour and trust nor in their owne merits Neither is it to be doubted but that there be some intelligent and wise men in Rome who with all their hearts derest the Popes impietie and tyrannie But all these are not that Roman Church with the authoririe wherof our Aduersaries do seeke to oppresse and beare vs downe 2 The Fathers themselves did account the Roman Church for the true Church Ans 1 Here be foure termes For in the Antecedent the worde Church is taken for that face or condition of the Church which was in the Fathers time in the consequent for that state wherin Antichrist doth raigne Now it followes not it was so twelue or thirteene hundred yeares ago or vpward therefore it is so now 3 The state of the Roman Church is most antient therefore the Roman Church by reason of his antiquity is the true Church Ans 1 We denie the Antecedent for the testimonies alleaged before out of Polidor Vergill 2 not simply that which is anciēt is to be received but that which is most ancient For the Devill is ancient but God is more ancient 3 Antiquity cannot make that good which in it selfe is bad 4 The Church of Rome is the Vniversall and Catholicke Church therefore it is the trve Church Ans Wee denie the Antecedent For if by the word Catholicke be meant that which agreeth with the Catholicke and so with the Apostles doctrine then the Antecedent is absolutely false But if the Church of Rome be called Catholicke by reason of the multitude of those that take parte and cleave to that side then the multitude of them that err is no iust defence for the error Otherwise in the time of Arrianisme the Apostolicke CHVRCH as beeing brought to a great paucitie shoulde
Anna c. He is not a Iewe which is one outward neither is that Circumcision which is outward in the flesh But he is a Iewe which is one within and the circumcision is of the hart whose praise is not of mē but of God Rom. 2 28 29. Now how God in the time of Poperie the publick Ministerie of the word being corrupted had his inuisible Church is thus declared There were a cōpany of baptized Infants which were a great part of the Church but Note By this declaration it appeares t●at we doe not condemne our godly ancestours who liued in the time of Poperie the Church was neuer at any time without baptized children seeing that Baptisme euen vnder the raigne of Antichrist remained in the Church There were alwaies godly intelligēt mē which gaine-said the Pope sometimes open●y sometimes secretly See the booke inti●uled Catal●gus testium veritatis and those who gaine-said him had them which appro●ed their iudgement although by reason of the tyrannie of the Bishops of Rome they durst not openly make profession thereof There were also many simple men whose harts were more pure thā were the mouthes of their teachers The simpler sort had the chiefe fundamentall points of Christian Religion in the Lords praier the Creede and the ten Commaundements whereby they might bee instructed to a true faith a right inuocating of God and an holy life They heard the Passion of Christ read out of the stories of the Euangelists as also the rehearsing of the Gospels They might therfore out of the text neglecting the glosses of their Preachers learn those things which are necessarie to saluation They confirmed their faith by receauing the holy Supper of the Lord which though it was maimed of the one kinde the cup being quite taken frō them yet were not they in fault who were cōstrained to endure that tyrannie The Masse and other idolatrous seruice by the speciall prouidence of God were celebrated in the Latine tongue for which cause the Lay people were the lesse partakers of their idolatrie which vnderstoode not what was done They had Christ the foundation It is credible therefore that in their agonie the stubble that was built vpon the foundation was consumed but thēselues saued as it were by the fire of tentation tribulation 1 Cor. 3. Contrariwise our Aduersaries reason 1 Yee are the light of the World a City that Note 〈◊〉 this 〈◊〉 our Aduersaries should proue that the church is onely visible but they proue nothing els but that the church is visible which is not questioned is set on an hill cannot be hid also no man lighteth a candle and putteth it vnder a bushell c. Mat. 5 14 15. therefore the Church is visible Ans 1. I graunt the whole reason if by the Church be meant the externall publick Ministerie 2 It is a fallacie from that which is spoken in some respect to the same taken absolutely for in that the Church is said to be visible that is true in some respect onely that is not in respect of the inward man but of the outward publick Ministerie 2 That the Church is visible and that the Church is inuisible be contradictories therefore if it be granted that the Church is visible the inuisible is ouerthrowne Ans Contradictions are not vnlesse they be spoken of the same things and in the same respect but that Church is called visible in one respect and inuisible in another for it is visible in respect of the externall companie of them that heare the Word and vse the Sacraments but it is inuisible in respect of the inward man and true faith which is knowne to God alone as before I said 3 Vnlesse the Church bee visible there will not bee an apparent and free accesse to the Church for any man which ought notwithstanding continually to be so Answer 1. There is an equiuocation in the worde Church First it is taken for the publick Ministerie of the Word and Sacraments and so I grant the whole reason Secondly it is taken for those which doe truly beleeue the Word and rightly vse the Sacraments and so the conclusion is to be denied 2 By that which hath beene sai● it appeareth that the Antecedent speaketh of the former the consequent of the later acceptiō of the Church and so there bee foure termes in the Syllogisme 4 Christ bids vs heare the Church Matthew 18. Which if it bee inuisible cannot bee found out Answer 1. I answere to this reason as to the former 2 Our Aduersaries haue more in the conclusion than in the premisses For thus much followeth that there is a certaine visible church or that in some meaning the church is visible but that there is onely a visible Church there is neuer a word in the place cited 5 The Fathers did oppose the authoritie of the visible Church against Heretikes therefore there must needes be a visible Church Ans 1. It is a fallacie supposing that for a cause which is not For they did not oppose the authority of the Church against the Heritikes for that it was either visible or inuisible but because at that time it preserued the sacred bookes and the sincere profession of the Doctrine 2 Neither did the Fathers seeke to represse the Heritikes by the onely authoritie of the Church but stroue against them with the authoritie of the Scripture Question 3. Whether the Church may erre Our Aduersaries denie it hoping that if it appeare as in truth it doth that the Church in ancient times was at Rome and if that the Church cannot erre that they shall easily without any adoe free themselues from all crime of falshoode by the bare name of the Church being free from all errour But we denie it for these reasons Because the promises of preseruing the purity of the Church are conditionall and not absolute as if yee continue in my word yee are verily my Disciples Ioh 8. 31. Because where the thing doth testifie the contrarie there no plea hath place But we haue examples ready at hand both in the olde and new Testament that the Church hath erred 1. The Church of the olde Testament a● concerning the publick Ministerie hath often erred as in the Wildernes when i● worshipped the Calfe in the time of the Iudges it oftentimes fell away from the true seruice of God The like happene● vnder the gouernment of King Ahab i● the time of Ieremie and of Christs comming in the flesh 2. In the new Testament the Church erred 1 In the Church of Corinth many doubted of the Resurrection of the dead 2 The Galathians swarued from the Apostolick doctrine of Paul in the article of Iustification 3 The Church of Pergamus fauoured the Nicholaitans Reuelation 2 15. 3. At this day the Church of Rome doth erre in many things which hereafter shall be made to appeare as cleare as the noon day The particular members of the Church are not free from error as it is plaine that Peter