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A03884 A treatise concerning the church Wherin it is shewed, by the signes, offices, and properties therof, that the Church of Rome (and consequently such particuler churches as liue in her communion) is the only true church of Christ. VVritten in Latin, by the Reuerend Father Iames Gordon Huntley of Scotland, Doctour of Diuinity, of the Society of Iesus. And translated into English by I.L. of the same Society. The third part of the second controuersy.; Controversiarum epitomes. English. Selections Gordon, James, 1541-1620.; Wright, William, 1563-1639. 1614 (1614) STC 13997B; ESTC S114238 53,360 142

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maketh mention of S. Peter For euery where he putteth the Apostles in the first place and all Christians knew well inough that S. Peter was chiefe of all the Apostles according to that of S. Matthew the first Simon who was called Peter Heerupon saith S. Augustin who knoweth not tha● S. Peter was the chiefe of the Apostles 14. Finally the Apostle himselfe doth not indeed speake in these places of the ordinary Ecclesiasticall Hierarchy but of those extraordinary giftes which were giuen to the members of the primitiue Church For the recounteth there also the Euangelists Prophets the grace of doyng cures or helpes kindes of tongues c. which are certaynely extrordinary gyftes as S. Chrysostome Theophilactus Oecumemus and others expounding these wordes of the Apostle haue well noted 15. The sixt argument Many of the Byshops of Rome were wicked bad men and giuen to many kindes of synnes as all euen Catholike writers do testify As therfore they haue grieuously erred in manners so they might also erre in faith and doctrine I answere that this was in tymes past the argument of the Donatists agaynst Catholikes wherunto S. Augustine hath often answered For there is a great difference betwixt their conuersation and doctrine because an error committed in our manner of conuersation only hurteth him which erreth but an error in doctrine is also hurtfull to many others yea euen to the whole Church of God Hence proceeded that admonition of Christ all thinges therefore whatsoeuer they shall say to you obserue yee and doe yee but according to their workes do ye not Caluin also refuteth this argumēt of our Aduersaries more at length as the foolish inuention or dreame of the Anabaptistes for he knew very well that among his Ministers there were many most wicked vngodly men Wherfore it is very strange that his followers will repeate and inculcate this argument so often 16. Our Aduersaries haue many other arguments besides these which need no confutation for they are not taken out of the word of God but all do rely and are grounded vpon lyes and meere fables forged by auncient Heretickes or Schismatickes or at the leaste by such as were no fauourits nor welwillers to the Church of Rome the which Doctor Sāders and Cardinall Baronius prosecute particulerly throughout all ages Wherfore that saying of the Apostle doth very well agree to our Aduersaries And from the truth certes they will auerse their hearing and to fables they will be conuerted 17. We will heere alledge one most certaine example of those Slaunders the which our Aduersaries cast against the Church of Rome And that we may also omit that Caluin in few wordes hath no lesse then fiue manifest lyes of one only Byshop of Rome Iohn 22. as Bellarmine clearly proueth the same Caluin truly hath forged three most famous and markable lyes against the whole Church of Rome for he saith that these are the three principle articles of that Diuinity which is taught by the Byshops and Cardinalls of Rome First that there is no God The second that all thinges which are written taught concerning Christ are lyes and fables The third that there is no lyse after this 18. But that one answere which S. Augustine gaue the Donatists slaundering wrongfully Catholikes in tymes past may suffice to confute all these reproachfull and iniurious lyes of our present Aduersaries Let vs not heare saith he what this or that man saith but what our Lord saith let vs not heere this say I thus sayest thou but thus saith our Lord and what the holy Scriptures say vnto vs concerning the Church 19. Moreouer that which in general the same holy Father in another place saith against the lyes of the Donatists may now very well be applyed in this manner to the Roman Church I know saith he what is written in the holy and Canonicall Scriptures concerning the Church of Rome and the saith therof I know not what you say of her Apostacy or falling from her fayth Truly as we do reade in bookes the which you also do honour reuerēce of the Roman Church and faith therof so also reade you vnto vs out of bookes the which we also do honour and reuerence how she forsooke and lost her faith Doth it please you that we should belieue euery slaunderous reproach of men vpon what occasion soeuer it was vttered and obiected against the Roman Church the which the holy Ghost hath both deliuered cōmēded vnto vs by his holy Scriptures this indeed is pleasing to you but whom also it should more iustly please you see well inough but you being ouercome by obstinacy will not yield to the truth And a little after Lo h●ere the Roman Church with whome I communicate where I reade thee her name there finde thou me her faultes if thou canst but if thou cryest and rehearsest them from some other place we following the voyce of our Pastour euidently declared vnto vs by the mouth of the Apostle S. Paul do not admit belieue or heare your wordes My sheepe saith our heauenly Pastour heare my voice and follow me His testimony of the Roman Church is not obscure but very cleare and manifest VVhosoeuer will not go a stray or wander from his flock let him heare him let him follow him Hitherto S. Augustine 20. Finally it is heere diligently to be noted that our Aduersaries neuer durst be so bould as to affirme so strange and absurd things of the Church of Rome so auncient in it selfe and so commended by all the auncient holy Fathers yea and by the Apostle S. Paul himselfe but that they falsely perswade themselues that she hath lost and forsaken the true doctrine of Christ. Heerupon they say that Rome is Babylon and they are not ashamed to affirme the Pope to be Antichrist But if it were once proued manifestly that the Roman Church teacheth nothing which is not very agreable to the word of God all our Aduersaries weapons against the Church of Rome will easily be blunted and ouerthrowne and also they wil be forced to confesse with Caluin that the breach from this Church is the denyall of God and Christ or that there cannot be imagined any fault more heynous But this God willing shal be more euidently hereafter declared in euery Controuersy CHAP. IX Of the Adoration of the Pope of Rome of the kissing of his feete AMongst other Crimes wherewith the Roman Church is charged by our Aduersaries one at which many take offence is the adoration of the Pope and the kissing of his feete We will therefore in this Chapter say somewhat in iustification therof for if it shall appeare that nothing is done therein which is not warranted by the written word it will appeare how little reasō they haue to tearme that impious Idolatry which is nothing els indeed but Religious piety 2. Howbeit we are first to forwarne the Reader to the end he be not deceaued by
thē a mā as manifestly appeareth by S. Peters answere Arise for I also am a mā therfore Cornelius was to be admonished corrected for adoration is eyther good or bad according to the cause or reason for which it is exhibited Now the cause for which Catholikes exhibite the same to the Bishop of Rome is very good to wit the excellent power of Christ or rather Christ himselfe gouerning ruling his Church in his Vicar and therfore this adoration is good and gratefull to God but the cause of Cornelius adoration was fond and false and therfore his adoration was naught and worthily reprehended 14. I know our Aduersaries often obiect th●● Pope Alexander the third did insole●tly ●rample vnder his feete Frederike the Empe●o●r ●ut ●his foolish fable is soundly and copiou●ly refuted by Baronius citing the testimonies of such as were present and haue committed to writing all that p●ssed in which there was nothing vnusu●ll but the Pope admitted from Frederike the accustomed adoration He that desireth more concerning the kissing of the Popes feet may read Ioseph Stephanus who hath written a whole booke therof it is sufficient for vs to haue briefly proued the same by many euident testimonies of holy Scripture CHAP. X. Of generall Councells GENERAL Councells doe represent the whole body of the Catholike Church wherefore we will now speake a little of them for seeing that we haue already spoken of the head of the Church it remayneth we treat of the body therof But this we will do briefly For our Aduersaries now adaies graunt many thinges concerning this matter which in tymes past they denyed To the end therfore tha● the true state of this Controuersy may the better be vnderstood three thinges are to be considered which our Aduersaries hauing now learned by experiēce to be true do willingly graunt vnto vs. 2. The first is that these Councells ●re very profitable that the authority therof is not to be despised For seing that the Apostle warneth vs to obey euery true Pastor much more are we bound to obey many assembled togeather For which cause our Aduersaries would also that we should all obey their synodicall assemblies Heereupon sayth Caluin Truly we do willingly graunt that if there happen debate about any doctrine there is no better nor surer remedy then if a Synod of true Bishops assemble togeather where the doctrine in controuersy may be discussed Thus he And euen naturall reason it selfe conuinceth this to be true as Caluin also confesseth For it is an easier matter for many assembled togeather to discerne the truth from falshood then if any one should attempt it at home 3. The second thing which our Aduersaries graunt is that Generall Councells when they are assembled togeather in the name of Christ do not err in matters of faith for they confesse that Christ promised this to two or three assēbled togeather in his name Thus Caluin and he addeth that they may erre when they are not called togeather in the name of Christ the which no Catholike did euer deny as will appeare heereafter 4. The third thing which they admit is that the first Generall Councells were lawfully assembled and that they did erre in points of fayth Thus Beza expresly who admitteth also the fifth sixt generall Councell he sayth that all th●se of his Rel●gion are of this opinion Caluin also of the auncient Councells writeth thus I re●●rence them from my hart and wish them to be had in their due honour with all men And a litle after whē he treateth of the anciēt Coūcells he saith that besides those f●ure first general Councells to wit Nicaenum Cōstantinopolitanū the 1. Ephesine Chalcedonense he admitteth also such other auncient Councells the which cannot be vnderstood but of the fifth and sixt For a little after he plainly reiecteth the seauēth 5. Heere it is also to be noted that Luther in the beginning reiected wholly all generall Councells but the Caluinists afterward by reason of Seruetus and other Anti trinitarians ●ere forced to admit the first foure Councells ●oreouer by reason of the Vbiquitarian Lutherans who cōfounded the properties of the two natures of Christ they were cōtreined to admit also the fifth and sixt And these things euen the Caluinists themselues do graunt vnto vs. 6. But Catholikes te●ch these fiue things of the generall Councells The first is that a generall Councell cannot without the word of God m●ke any new articles of fayth but her office is to explicate clearly and propose the word of God to be belieued of all the which the Church hath receaued from Christ and his Apostles For a lawfull generall Councell defineth nothing in matters of fayth which eyther is not extant in the holy Scripture or may not be gathered by the Traditions of the Apostles or ●astly may euidently be deduced out of both The which the Councell of Trent doth manifestly profes●e for now we must not expect new reuelations from heauen Wherfore it is a meere ●launder that Cal●in sayth that Catholikes teach that the Church hath authority ●o make new articles of ●a●th and that Catholikes despising the word of God do co●ne at their owne pleasure new points of fayth 7. The second is that we acknowledge that Generall ●ouncel●s may erre in matters which do not belong vnto our fayth and in this sense say●● S. Augustine One full and perfect Councell may be ●orrected by another Not in sayth the which is neuer changed but in Ecclesiasticall Constitutions the which according to the diuersity of tymes both are and should often be changed Whereupon in the same place he writeth that things ordeined be●ore may be changed by those which come after when we see by experience that is opened and made knowen which before was hidden and secret For the experience of new matters which happen may change or correct the Ecclesiasticall laiues Constitutions but it canno● alter and change matters of ●ayth 8. Wherefore Caluin wrongfully obiecteth against vs that S. Leo the Pope reprehended the Councell of Chalcedon seeing that Caluin him●el●e acknowledgeth in the same place that to appertaine nothing to f●●th which S. Leo reprehended And he also confesseth that Catholikes teach that Councells may erre in those thinges which nothing concerne fayth And no lesse foolishly Caluin reprehendeth the first Councell of Nice about matters which do not belong vnto fayth 9. The third is that we acknowledge those Councells may erre which eyther are not lawfully assembled or do not proceed lawfully in their busines they haue in hand For such Councells indeed are not assembled togeather in the name of Christ and of this sort was the Councell of the Arians holden at Ariminum that of the Eutichians at Ephesus the seauenth Constantinopolitane Councell of the Image-breakers the which therefore our Aduersaries doe in vayne obiect against vs. 10. The fourth is that albeit a Councell be