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A18357	Six sermons now first published, preached by that learned and worthy divine Edward Chaloner lately deceas'd, Dr in Divinity, sometimes Chaplaine in Ordinary to our soveraigne K. Iames, and to his Maiesty that now is: and late Principall of Alban Hall in Oxford. Printed according to the author's coppies, written with his owne hand	Chaloner, Edward, 1590 or 91-1625.; Sherman, Abraham, 1601 or 2-1654.	1629 (1629)	STC 4937; ESTC S107649	98,854	158

current of the greater faction ran the quite contrary way yet they which were of our opinion submitted themselues to the obedience of the Church of Rome which Luther did not So that if any aske where was our Church before Luthers rising I answere it was in Rome and the Romane Iurisdiction perhaps not in the Popes privy chamber yet in his Court amongst his greatest counsellours agents doctours writers prelates Then did Gregorius Ariminensis doubt how any such place as Limbus puerorum might stand with the doctrine of the primitiue Church then did Richardus de Sancto Victore Gerson and Durand deny that distinction of veniall and mortall sinnes then did Scotus Cameracensis and Waldensis refute those merits of congruity and condignity Bernard with others justification by inherent qualities thē did the M. of the Sentences not once mētion transubstantiation Bonaventure doubted of it Cajetan confes'd that though in word most doe affirme it yet in deed many deny it thinking nothing lesse Then did many saith Bacon deny that Purgatory could bee proved by Scriptures Willielmus Altisiodorensis said it was a common opinion of his time that wee neither doe properly pray to Saints nor Saints for vs Then did Mirandula withstand worshipping of images the Sorbonistes the Popes infallibility many his indulgences and pardons and most good men his Iurisdiction in the temporall affaires of princes So that hee which shall seeke reconciliation betweene vs and them because before the Councell of Trent wee jumpt in opinions with many of their men or at lest not greatly swarv'd from them will fight very much without an enemy and forgets that the Papists by the Church which they would vnder paine of damnation binde every man to beleeue vnderstand not the Church which was sixty or an hundred yeares since but the present Church as Bellarmine and their great Doctours doe interpret Secondly wee distinguish of Romane Catholickes whereof as in all religions so in theirs some are more moderate and whether through ignorance of their owne doctrine or through an impartiality of judgement as divers learned men in France or through an accusation of their conscience as most at the time of death especially touching the doctrine of merits doe greatly incline to our tenents others are professed Romanists both in letter and title and swarne not a whit from the determination of the Church The former I leaue in this controversie the demonstration of the probleme shall bee in the latter Thirdly because wee propose the question whether wee and they doe differ not onely in lighter matters but also in those which concerne the foundation of religion lest any should misconceiue our meaning let vs adde a third distinction that a foundation of religion is overthrow'd two wayes either in flat termes when a maine principle of faith is absolutely denyed as the deity and the consubstantiality of the Sonne by Arrius the trinity of the persons by Sabellius and Servetus the resurrection of the body by Hymenaeus and Philetus and the last judgement by S Peters mockers or 2ly by consequent when any opinion is maintained which by just sequell overturneth the truth of that principle which the defendant professeth to hold So the Minaei of whom St Ierome speakes whil'st they vrged circumcision by consequent according to Paules rule rejected Christ so the Pelagians whil'st they defended a full perfection of our righteousnesse in our selues by a consequent overthrew Christs justification Popery comes in the latter ranke it pronounceth the same wordes of the Bible beleeues them it repeates the same Creed Apostolique Nicene and Athanasian and adheres to it but it denyes each article by a consequent because it denyes the true exposition of the article Non enim in verbis sed in sensu fides est saith Bellarmine nec idem symbolum habemus si in explicatione dissidemus Our beliefe stayes not it selfe vpon the words but vpon the sense nor haue wee the same Creed if we differ in the explanation of it The Arrians Novatians Nestorians and almost all heretickes haue ever agreed vpō the same Creed but because they agreed not vpon the meaning of it they therefore consequently may bee said to deny it The state therefore of our position in summe is this That a pure profest Romanist which strictly adheres to the doctrine of the Pope and of the Romane Church since the Councell of Trent doth differ from this reformed Church of ours in such fundamentall pointes that if not directly yet by a consequence wee must needes hold him to deny sundry articles of faith and therefore all hope of reconciliation to be taken away In the proofe of which assertion because I will not stand vpon such differences as perhaps arise betwixt private persons on both sides I will take for the Papists side the Councell of Trent begun in the yeare 1545 celebrated by three Popes Paulus tertius Iulius tertius and Pius quartus received by all succeeding Popes and vnder paine of Anathema or curse enjoyned to be beleeved by all Catholicks For our side I will take the booke of Articles Homelyes and such bookes as to which wee all doe subscribe And that wee may the better proceed in such pointes as may cause a separation from a Church let vs examine those things which the 19th article makes to bee the notes of a Church to wit the pure preaching of the Word and the right administration of the Sacraments Now the controversie betwixt vs the Church of Rome concerning the preaching of the Word are either of the Word it selfe or of the things delivered in the Word Touching the Word wee agree that it is infallible but we differ mainely three manner of wayes first in setting downe what is Scripture and what is not The Councell of Trent in the fourth Session reckons vp all those bookes which we terme Apocrypha to be Canonicall and saith that the Church doth pari pietatis affectu ac reverentiâ suscipere venerari receiue them with the same reverence and affection as it doth the other bookes of the Old or New Testaments Our booke of Articles in the sixth Article saith of these Apocrypha bookes that the Church doth reade them as Hierome saith for example of life and instruction of manners but yet doth not apply them to establish any doctrine So then it doth not receiue them with the same reverence affection as it doth the other Secondly we differ in the interpretation of the Scriptures The Councell of Trent in the same Session forbids any man to interprete the Scripture contra eum sensum quem tenuit aut tenet sancta mater Ecclesia contrary to the sense which the holy mother the Church hath held or doth hold by the Church saith Bellarmine in his 3 booke de verbo Dei and 3 chap. vnderstanding Pontificem cum Concilio the Pope in a Councell in which opinion hee affirmes all Catholickes to concurre Our booke of Articles in the sixteenth art saith that a generall Councell

for as much as it is but an assembly of men whereof all are not governed with the Spirit and Word of God may erre and sometime hath erred even in things pertayning to God And therefore it holdeth not with the Church of Rome that the Church much lesse the Pope in a Councell is the infallible expositor of Scriptures which none may vpon any ground whatsoever gainesay Thirdly wee differ concerning the perfection of the Scriptures The Councell of Trent in the same Session supposing the Scriptures not to containe perfectly all things necessary to salvation enjoynes the world to embrace with like respect as wee doe the Scriptures traditiones sine scripto tum ad fidem tum ad mores pertinentes vnwritten traditions pertayning as well to faith as to manners Our Articles in the 6 Art saith that the holy Scripture contayneth all things necessary to salvation so that whatsoever is not read therein nor may bee proved thereby is not to bee required of any man that it should bee believed as an article of faith or bee thought requisite or necessary to salvation well then whereas it is required that every rule should be knowne first what it is otherwise it cannot without much vncertainty direct secondly how it is to be vnderstood otherwise wee cannot vse it thirdly that it be perfect and sufficient otherwise it will not serue the turne why then see that wee and the Church of Rome differ in the rule it selfe in the interpretation of it and in the perfection of it now they which are so diverse in describing the principles and very rule of their faith I much marvaile if they agree in the substance of it But let vs come now to the thing delivered in the Word it is necessary for every Christian which would be restored to the glorious liberty of the sonnes of God to haue a two-fold knowledge the one in what miserable an estate he is in the other how and by what meanes he may be freed from this misery if I know not my disease I shall not seeke to the physitian for reliefe and if I know not how to vse and apply my physicke I am yet in the same case of despaire To omit lesser differēces let vs see whether in those pointes which are necessary to the knowledge of these things the Church of Rome and we doe so farre differ as that a moderate spirit may not reconcile vs and make vs one To begin with our state and misery The Councell of Trent doth sundry wayes lessen our miserable state condition first by curtelling originall sin making concupiscence no part of it the words in the 5 Session are these hanc concupiscentiam quam aliquando Apostolus peccatum appellat sancta Synodus declarat Ecclesiam Catholicam nunquam intellexisse peccatum appellari c this concupiscence which sometimes the Apostle calls sinne the holy Councell doth declare that the Catholicke Church never vnderstood it to be call'd a sinne as if it were truely properly a sinne in the regenerate but only because it came frō sinne doth incline to sinne Againe the Councell pronounce than Anathema or curse to those which affirme that by the grace which is conferr'd in baptisme non tolli totum id quod veram propriam rationem peccati habet that whatsoever hath the nature of sinne or may be so term'd in originall sinne is not taken away Wee yeelde that in those which are baptised and are regenerate originall sinne is taken away in respect of the guilt so that it be not imputed to vs and in respect of that absolute rule which before it had in vs because though it be as St Paul saith a law in our members warring against the law of our minde yet hath it not that full sway in vs after regeneration which it had before by reason that it is suppressed greatly by the grace of God But that concupiscence is no parte of it or that it remaineth not vnder the title of sinne after baptisme our booke of Articles flatly denies both in the ninth Article where it saith And this infection of nature namely originall sinne doth remaine yea even in them that are regenerate whereby the lust of the flesh called in Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which some doe expound the wisedome some sensuality some the affection some the desire of the flesh is not subject to the law of God and although there is no condemnation to them that belieue are baptised yet the Apostle doth confesse that concupiscence and lust hath of it selfe the nature of sinne so as for originall sinne you see our tenents are contrary and can no way be reconcil'd secondly the Councell of Trent lessens our estate of misery not only in diminishing that which is malum culpae an evill as the Schoolemen say of sinne but also in patching vp other defects which are term'd malum poenae an evill of punishment to wit by attributing to the soule free will Wee graunt first that wee haue a freedome of will in all respects as free imports as much as not constrayned or compelled for God compells vs not to any thing contrary to our minde but moues and sollicites as it were our mindes with his grace to will willingly what hee would haue vs to will secondly we graunt that in naturall and morall and bad actions we haue a freedome of will as freedome is taken for a power even before regeneration and in supernaturall and divine actions after regeneration though somewhat imperfectly and thus farre the Papists and we agree The question is what freedome the will hath in respect of supernaturall good workes either in generall before regeneration or more particularly in the worke of regeneration As for these workes in generally the Councell of Trent in the 6 Session and 7 Can. saith that whosoever affirmes that all workes which are done before justification howsoever they are done to be truely sins or to deserue the hatred of God let him be accursed Our 13th Article saith contrary workes done before the grace of Christ and the inspiration of the spirit are not pleasant to God for as much as they spring not of faith in Christ Iesus yea rather for that they are not done as God hath willed and commanded them to be done we doubt not but that they haue the nature of sinne Our Article is directly oppos'd to their Canon As for the worke of regeneratiō the Councell of Trent hath provided for that in the 4th and 5th Can. and puts downe that whosoever affirmes the will of man to be extinct or as dead meerely passiue in these actiōs let him be accursed whereas our 10th Article allowes the will no strength nor power to do any good thing till it be as it were revived by the grace of God prevēting vs. Wherevpon say some of our league-makers the difference betweene the Papist and Protestant in Freewill is onely this they both compare a man after the fall of Adam