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A15781	A briefe treatise in which, is made playne, that Catholikes liuing and dying in their profession, may be saued, by the iudgement of the most famous and learned Protestants that euer were. Agaynst a minister [N.E.] who in his epistle exhorteth an honourable person, to forsake her ancient Catholike Roman Religion, & to become one of his new-found-out Protestant congregation.	Wright, William, 1563-1639.	1623 (1623)	STC 26044; ESTC S103083	31,010	52

and haue set it downe for his Verdict perswading our selues that he could say no lesse truth which is more forcible then either rack or tormēt comp●lling him therunto For otherwise no mā willingly lyeth to his owne shame nor freely cōfesseth that which ouerthroweth his owne cause But what he vttereth against the Church of Rome for being accursed and anathematized by her for so many errors and heresies both in Luther Zuinglius and other old rotten hereticall Se F. Persons Relation of the Triall with his defence therof against Plessy and O. E by N. D. Semel mendax semper praes●mitur mendax Glossa Admitten●ū in l. Si cui crimen §. 1. ff de Accusation Alciat Menoch Rake-hells of former times we cannot so easily belieue but rather think thē no better then notorious vntruthes and meere slaunders as proceeding from him who had a great talent in this black Art of lying which publickely was made knowne to his eternall shame by cardinall Perone before the most Christian King and Court Luther VVhosoeuer is once taken in a lye know most certainly that he is not of God but ought to be suspected in all thinges In Assert Teuton art 25. But Plessy Mornay was conuinced before the King of Frāce in 9. one day and the exception that the Cardinall tooke agaynst him did cōcerne 4000. as is to be seene in the relation aboue cyted The Diuell hath his Prophets saith Ter●ullian whose badg mark is falsity lying so that it must of necessity fall whatsoeuer is built vpon such ● ground de praescr c. 40. of France and therfore we purposely haue forborne to disgrace the Iury with any such foule and fi●thy stuffe as he setteth downe in the latter part of his sentence seing it is folly sayth his learned Brother Vorstius to bring in the guilty as vvitnesses in their ovvne cause or rather to bring in one that hath byn condemned not once but so often to rage rayle and lye not only against his true and lawfull Iudge but also against many other Catholickes Peeres Princes Kings and Emperours who all according to Plessey should haue byn bred and borne bastards by an Adultresse and brought vp children Idolatours by an hereticall harlot for the Diuell But o my Plessey I pray thee how could she be an Adultresse against whom Hell gates were foretold neuer to preuayle or how could that Church be Hereticall which neuer was condemned eyther by any lawfull generall or prouinciall Councell or by any other iust commanding power or how could she bring vp children to the Diuell or be an Idolatresse who hath brought vp all to God that euer were brought to him since the first erecting of the Church of Christ as we haue shewed before These then are your malicious imputations and not those glorious tytles becōming Christs vnspotted Spouse and her who hath byn accompted alwayes the sacred Sanctuary and the holy Temple of the liuing God And therfore detesting your impieties we must rather giue eare and harken to that holy Byshop and glorious Martyr S. Cyprian who speaking of the Church wryteth S. Cyprian de vnitate Eccl. thus One Mother sayth he there is by the fecundity of her issu● copious and fertile by her increase vve are borne vvith her milk vve are nourished we are animated with her spirit The Spouse of Christ cannot play the aduoutresse she is imaculate and vndefiled she knoweth one house she keepeth with chast bashfulnes the sanctity of one bedd This Church preserueth vs in God this aduanceth to the Kingdome the children she hath brought forth whosoeuer deuided from the Church cleaueth to the aduoutresse is separated from the promises of the Church To whom we add S. Augustine the greatest of all the Fathers and worthyest Deuine the Church of God euer had since the Apostles if we may belieue D. Field who is styled lykewise the mouth of antiquity by other Protestants giuing vs this wholsome Coūsell against all s●ch slaunderers of the church of Rome For writing against the S. Aug. tom 7. de vnitate Eccles c. 11. lyke lies of the Donatists I know sayth he what is written in the holy and Canonicall Scriptures concerning the Church of Rome the fayth therof I know not what you say of her Apostacy or falling from her faith Truly as we doe read in bookes the which you also doe honour and reuerence of the Roman Church and fayth therof So also read you out of Bookes vnto vs the which we also doe honour and reuerence how she forsooke and lost her fayth Doth it please you that we should belieue euery slaunderous reproach of men vpon what occasion soeuer it was vttered and obiected against the Roman Church the which the Holy Ghost hath both deliuered and commended vnto vs by his holy Scriptures This indeed is pleasing to you but whom it should more iustly please you see well inough but you being ouercome by obstinacy will not yield to the truth We therfore being about to looke as well into the true doctrine and verity as into the holines and purity of this Church from whence doth proceed the security of liuing and dying well in her lappe we are to vse the testimonies especially of Famous Protestants to the end the banners of her glorie may be carryed about and displayed by the penns and mouthes of our Aduersaries that all whosoeuer are not maliciously bēt may therby extoll and magnify the infinit goodnes of Gods prouidence who hath made as we may say euē the enemies of his Church and children although otherwise partiall witnesses with open mouth to cry out and blaze abroad in effect That this is the seed and familie of Iesus Christ whom our Lord hath blessed yea and hath made the S. Cyprian l. 1. ep 3. holy Ghost to inspire the ancient Fathers to warrant vs that this is the Church to S. Hierom. l. 3. Apol. contra Ruffin which misbeliefe can haue no accesse which receaueth no forgery and though an Angell S Cyril apud D. Thom. in catena teach otherwise then hath byn once preached guarded with S. Pauls authoritie it cannot be changed which remayneth vnspotted from S. Gregor Nazianz in carm de vita sua all seducing and hereticall circumuention which hath the true fayth euen from the tymes of our for●●athers alwaies remayneth as is fit for a citty that ruleth the whole world to haue euer more a sound fayth to God Out of all which we may cōclude that this is that blessed Cōpany of holy ones that houshold of sāctity that spouse of christ church of the liuing God which is the Pillar and ground of truth whose cōmuniō we may boldly imbrace whose directions we may safely follow rest securely in her iudgments as in that sacred society the which for this 1600. yeares hath yielded vp all those blessed Soules of the Apostles Martyrs Confessors Virgins and of all the rest to God which now

hath brought forth and which for their most firme profession of Christian religion most solid constancy and sincere deuotion therin haue been put into the Kalender of Saints that in this point it hath not been inferiour to any Christian Prouince whatsoeuer yea as Britany was tearmed by Porphyrius a prophane Philosopher Fer●x Tyrannorum prouincia A prouince fertill of Tyrants so likewise England may be stiled Insula Sancto rum feracissima An Iland fruitfull of Saints So far Cambden To whome ●e may add another famous Protestant author who tels vs for the tyme past that more Kings and Queenes in England only haue becom'd Monks and Nunnes and now by Protestants honoured for Saints in heauen then euer were Protestant Kings and Queenes in all the world though neuer so vnworthy the name of Saints or Sanctity which are all to be seene in the Theater of Britany Iohn Fox also relateth how that eight Kings of England left their Kingdomes and became Monks whose names are these King Kinegil●●s King Cead wall King Inas King Ethelred King Sigebert King Coenred King Offa King Edbert Of whome he sayth that it is most like they did it for holines sake thinking in this kind of life to serue and please God better but in this sayth Fox they were deceaued To these we may ioyne 19. Kings Queenes daughters whom also M. Fox confesseth to haue left their Royall estates and became Nunnes And he relateth out of an auncient Chronicle that in the primitiue Church of England Kings Princes Dukes Earles Barons rulers of the Churches Fox lib. 2. pag. 114. incensed with a desire of heauen labouring and striuing among themselues to enter into Monasteries into voluntary exile solitary life forsooke all and followed the Lord. And as conconcerning the piety and deuotion of other Catholiks after the Centurists write thus saying Although in this age to wit the seauenth the worship of God was darkened with mans traditions and superstitions yet the study to serue God and to liue godly and iustly was not wanting to the miserable common people c. they were so attentiue to their prayers as they bestowed almost the whole day therin They did exhibite to the Magistrate due obedience they were most studious of amity concord and society so as they could easily remit iniuries all of them were carefull to spend their time in honest vacation and labour to the poore strangers they were Cēturists cent 7. c. 7. col 181. S●ubbs in his motiue pag. 43. most courteous and liberall and in their iudgements and contracts most true M. Subbs in his Motiue to good works sayth Certainely to speake the truth there is many times found conscionabler and plainer dealing among most of the Papists then amongst many protestants And if we looke narrowly into the ages past we shall find more godliues deuotion and zeale though blind more loue one to another more fidelity faythfulnes euery way in them then is now to be found in vs. And agayne he further sayth Is it not a shame vnto vs Stubbs in his motiue pag. 72. To name one amongst many Robert Winchelsey the 49. Archb of Canterbury Besids the dayly fragmēts saith Godwin of his house he gaue euery Friday and Sunday to euery begger a loafe of Bread there were euery such Almes dayes foure or fiue thousand people Besides this euery great festiuall day he sent a 150. pence to such poore people as could not fetch his Almes that our forefathers liuing in the times of superstition c. should so far notwithstanding out passe vs in good works as that we may not once be compared to them in any small measure Hēce for good works who seeth not that herin they were far beyond vs we far behind them For exāple what memorable famous buildings and what monuments haue they left to the world behind them What Churches Chappels and other houses of prayer did they erect to the end the Religion and seruice of God might be continued Yea what Monasteries Abbyes Priories and other religious houses c. what number of goodly bridges did they make How many Almes-houses Hospitalls and Spittles did they found c. What high wayes what pauements and causies in summe what famous Colledges Hals Vniuersities what schooles In so much as the former Statute of Mort-main now needles was yet then thought needfull to be made in restraint of such liberall deuotion But to giue some tast in particular of those famous and godly men who liued in these times we will beginne with Saint Dunstone Archbishop of Canterbury who was most gracious to King Edward and Ethelrede as wittnesseth M. Godwin vnder whome he ruled all thinges at his pleasure and for the most part admired for a most holy vertuous man and after canonized for a Saint Saint Elphege another Arch-bishop of the same sea was sayth the same authour of great parentage of wonderfull abstinence neuer eating or drinking nor sleeping more then necessity God win i● his life compelled him spending his tyme altogeather in piety study or other necessary busines so that with preaching example of holy life he conuerted many to Christ Duke William after his conquest made choyce of Lanfranke for his wisdome and faythfulnes to be Arch bishop of Canterbury as one in all respects God win i● his life most fit and worthy He was the most perfect sayth Bale of his time in all kind of Logicke or Bale Centur. ●● cap. ●● subtility of Aristotle He corrected amended according to the right fayth all the bookes of the old and new Testament which had been corrupted by fault of the writers and also the writings of the holy Fathers He was skillfull in science sayth Stow prudent in counsells and gouernement and for religion and life Stow. Chron. pag. ●79 most holy He was sayth Godwin bus● in exhorting Rufus to vertue and godlines And as long as Lanfranke liued sayth Stow Rufus seemed to abhorre all kind of vice in so much that he was counted the mirrour of Kings Saint Anselme likewise was a most worthy man of great learning as his workes yet extant do declare and for integrity of life and conuersation admirable vndoubtedly he was a good holy man and as worthy the honour of a Saint as any I thinke sayth Godwin euer was canonized by the Pope since his time None sayth Malmsbury liued more obseruant of Iustice Malmeb lib. 4. Regum None at that tyme so soundly learned None so wholely spirituall the Father of the countrey the mirrour of the world Saint Thomas sayth Houeden was of life S. Thomas of Canterbury Houeden part 2. Anal. irreprehensible he receaued day by day 3. or 5. disciplines at the Priests hands his inner garmēt was of rugged haire-cloath of goates haire wher with his whole b●dy was couered from the elbow to the knees he lay vpon the bare ground before his bed neuer ceased from pray●r

worthy lodging that he might match the height of Royall Maiesty not only with fortitude and wisedome but with beauty also and comlines of body whome Fortune in the prime flower of his age trayned vp in many warres and most difficult times of the Commonwealth whilst that she disposed him for the British Empire which whē he was established in he so gouerned hauing ouercome the Welch-men and triumphed ouer the Scots that by good right he is esteemed another ornament of Brittany King Stephen sayth Stow was a noble man and passing hardy of passing comely fauour personage in all Princely vertues he excelled as in martiall policy affability gentlenes and bountifull liberality towards all He was very noble in birth sayth Godwin but much more in vertue and all good manners many miracles wr●teth he are said to be wrought at his Tōbe And this may suffice to vnderstand in some manner the holines and sanctity of our auncient Catholike Kings But to proceed concerning other famous Calikes D. Couell writeth thus of Alexander Hales S. D. Couell in defence of Hooker pag. 241. Bonauenture and Saint Thomas all three great defenders of the Roman Church A●d first of Alexander Hales he sayth who made his Summe that excellent worke by commaundement of Pope Innocentius the fourth that he was called the fountaine of life because of that liuely knowledg● that flowed from him he was mayster of Bona●ent ●re a scholler not inferiour to himselfe of whom he was went to say that in Bonauenture he thought Adam sinned not meaning of that illumination which was in him and doubtlesse there was much in him as though he had not been darkened by the fall of Adam and therefore the Church called him the Seraphicall doctour To these Aquinas was not inferior who came so neere vnto Saint Augustine whome in his book agaynst Burges he esteemeth the chiefest doctor that euer was or euer shall be excepting the Apostles c. that some thought he had all his works by hart by a common prouerbe it was spoken that the soule of Saint Augustine dwelt in Aquinas in whome aboue all the rest foure contraryeties were said to excell aboundāce breuity facility security in respect wherof he gayned the tytle to be called Angelicall Then if these men were the Popes Agents and yet so renowned and glorious and their doctrine so secure and excellent why may not we securely follow them in the same stepps of Agency in such busines Now all this being so it is no wonder if our aduersaries are forced to set out magnify and extoll the Luth. in ep cont Anabaptist Tom. 2. Germ. fol 267. Where also he savth that vnder the Papacy there are many godly men great Saints Church of Rome and truely in that manner as they are not affrayde to deliuer their mindes in such tearmes as Catholikes themselues could scarce desire or wish any better For herehence we confesse sayth D Luther that there is vnder the Papacy most of Christian good yea rather all Christian good and that from thence it came to vs Verily we confesse that there is in the Papacy true Scripture true Baptisme the true Sacrament of the Altar the true keyes to remission of sinns the true office of preaching true Catechisme and I say further that there is in the Papacy true Christianity yea rather the true kernell of Christianity M. Caluin agaynst Sadolet We do not deny those to be the Churches of Christ in which Caluin against Sadolet pag. 128. you gouerne And in the 2. to the Thessalonians he confesseth that the papacy is the Temple yea and the Sanctuary of God and else where that the Caluin l. 4. instit c. 2. n. 11. couenant of God hath remayned with them inuiolable Iunius All diuine thinges are in the Popes Church and hitherto it is the Church of God Iunius de Eccles c 17. col 1020. Zanchius The Roman Church is yet the Church of God Plessey Mornay The Roman Church is the Mornay lib. de Eccle. c. 2. 10. spouse of Christ as yet not diuerted from him she is a mother that bringeth forth children to God the name of the Church is no more to be denyed to her then the name of a man as long as he liueth Polan part 1. Thes de Eccles Polanus The Roman Church at this day is yet the Church of Christ Serauia The Church of Rome it yet the Church and see what I will say more she is Serauia in defens lib. de gratia Minist pag. 3. our mother in the which and by which God hath regenerated And agayne The Couenant of God to this day doth remayne in the Latine Church Boyswell I acknowledge the Church of Boys in cōfut Spon pag. 6 2. 283. 822. Rome as yet to be in the Couenant of God yea she is the Church the spouse and the Temple of God the Church of Iesus Christ redeemed by him D. Hooker We acknowledge willingly D. Hooker l. 3. de Politia Eccles p. 128. them to wit the Papists to be of the family of Iesus Christ D. Cou●ll I affirme the members of the Cou●ll in Apol pag. 68. Church of Rome to be members of the true Church of Christ and that those who liue and dye in that Church may be saued And D. Whitaker doth confesse That amongst D. Whitaker contro 4. 9. 5 c. 3. p. 682. the Papists is a ministery and a certaine preaching of the Word which without doubt to some is sufficient to saluation D. White in defence c. 7. p. 356. cap. 41. p. 408. I neuer deemed sayth D. White that to be the visible Church of God in the which our Auncestors held the true fayth and were saued And agayne We confesse that the Church of Rome in all ages hath been the visible Church of God Schluss tom 8. in catal Haeret. pag. 434. Sclusselburg Luther saith that all Christian good is in the Popedome that from thence it came to vs we do not deny Rhegius in cōsider censurae pag. 93. And Iohannes Rhegius Although it be true that the ministery of the Popes was corrupt with many traditions and inuentions of men neuerthelesse it had those thinges which were necessary to saluation to wit the Canonicall bookes the Creed of the Apostles Leonardus Crentremius The Bishop of Crentrem in 1. Cor. 3. Rome doth retaine this same ground of Catholike fayth 1. Corinth 3. the which both I doe acknowledge with the Catholike and Apostolicall Church although in certaine circumstāces there be some diuersity of opinions Zanch. in prefat lib. de natura Dei Zanchius The Church of Rome in despite of Sathan did retayne the principal groūds of fayth Boyswell We acknowledge that the Church Boyswell in Confutatione Sondei p. 79. of Rome is pure in the principall articles of Christian Religion Hooker They hould constantly to wit Papists Hooker lib. 5. de polit pag. 128.