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A64363	Mr. Pulton consider'd in his sincerity, reasonings, authorities, or, A just answer to what he hath hitherto published in his True account, his True and full account of a conference, &c. by the said Tho. Tenison.	Tenison, Thomas, 1636-1715.	1687 (1687)	Wing T703; ESTC R241	65,495	114

takes up that which is later and prefers it before that which was earlier in the Church Whereas Tradition descends but does not ascend Now Learned Men of his own Communion allow that the ancient Church did not receive his Additional Canon any more than the Reformed will allow his Additional Creed When both are reduc'd to the ancient Standard the Church of God will enjoy a greater measure both of Truth and Peace I will lay before the Iesuit the Judgment of a Sorbonist who has read as many Ecclesiastical Books and made as great Collections as he pretends to and to better purpose than has yet been manifested by him I mean Mr. Ellies du Pin Who says of Tobit Iudith Wisdom Ecclesiasticus the second Book of Maccabees the History of Susanna and Bell that they are Books left out of the Canon by the Jews and by many ancient Christians and since that received by the Church He says this but in other places he for Church-Reasons is not so constant to himself I might therefore have rather mention'd the great Cardinal Ximenes whose Polyglot Bible was dedicated to Pope Leo the Tenth the Pope in whose time Luther liv'd and in express words by that Pope approv'd That Cardinall in his Preface does thus instruct his Readers That the Pentateuch is set forth in a threefold Tongue Hebrew Chaldee Greek with Latin Interpretations of each That the Hagiographa and Prophetical Books are in a twofold Tongue Hebrew and Greek with Latin Versions But as he goes on the Books out of the Canon which the Church receives rather for the Edification of the People than for confirming the Authority of Ecclesiastical Doctrines are only in Greek but with a twofold Latin Translation the one St. Hierom's the other the Interlinary reading word for word This may satisfy Mr. P. if he be a reasonable Man that he was not infallible when he denied there was any Canon like ours at Luther's appearing Mr. P. will perhaps say for something some Men will say when they cannot say that which amounts to an Answer that he has produc'd greater Authorities and that du Pin and the Cardinal are not his Popes I come therefore 2 dly To the Examination of his Authorities after having suggested this general Answer to those or any others which he shall be able to bring forth out of his Magazine of voluminous Collections That is to say that the Apochryphal Books being valuable some Churches received them as a Secondary Canon so his own Sixtus Senensis called them and yet not as a Canon of Faith but Manners And the Fancies of Men after some Apocryphal Books were read in Churches being apt to affect the introducing of more it was thought Prudence to limit that Secondary Canon lest Books should be multiplied to the hinderance of the Scripture and the prejudice of Truth Our Church instructs the People in the Reason of the Reception of the Apocryphal Books and the distinction of them from the Primary Canon out of S. Hierom. Article 6. Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to Salvation So that whatsoever is not read therein nor may be proved thereby is not to be required of any Man that it should be believed as an Article of the Faith or be thought requisite or necessary to Salvation In the name of the holy Scripture we do understand those Canonical Books of the Old and New Testament of whose Authority was never any doubt in the Church Of the Names and Numbers of the Canonical Books Genesis Exodus c. And the other Books as Hierom saith the Church doth read for Example of Life and Instruction of Manners but yet doth not apply them to establish any Doctrine Such are these following the three Books of Esdras c. Mr. P's great and leading Authority is the third Council of Carthage in which if you give credit to a Man that witnesses for himself that he has read all Ecclesiastical History the Books we call Apocryphal were found to be of equal Authority with the rest and consequently received into the Canon Here I intreat the Reader to make with me these Observations First Mr. P. notes on his Margin concerning the Council of Laodicea that it was only a National Council of no general Obligation but he points not at his Council of Carthage which was later and but a Provincial Council with any such marginal Finger Secondly Whereas he says that the Council of Carthage was confirm'd in the sixth Council of Constantinople in the Year 680. he forbears to add that there was no Enumeration of Books in that Council and that the National Council of Laodicea was there confirmed as well as the Provincial Council of Carthage And he observes not that the Council of Laodicea was confirm'd by the great Council of Chalcedon not so the Council of Carthage This sure was done to show his Impartiality Thirdly He observes not that the Council of Laodicea was taken into the Code of the Universal Church but not the Council of Carthage The first Collection of that Code ends with the second General Council the first of Constantinople It is true that Council ended about 16 Years before the Synod of Carthage but the Collection was not made so soon tho before the Year 431. Nor is the Council of Carthage added to that Code in the Collection made afterwards It is true it is in the African Addition in Dionysus Exiguus but in the more ancient one it is not to be found Fourthly He omits the Note in the Collection of his dear Friends Labb● and Cossart put under this 37 th Canon of Carthage about the Scriptures A certain Ancient Code has it thus Touching the confirming that Canon Let the Transmarine Churches be consulted There was no full Satisfaction among them in these Additional Books and for satisfaction they did not refer meerly to the Roman Church 5ly This Canon could not be a Canon of the third Council of Carthage held as Mr. P. says in the year 397. for Relation is had in it to Boniface who began his Pontificate about the year 419. 6ly It is not true that this Council found these Books to be of equal Authority with the rest 1. Learned and impartial Romans do not say what Mr. P. does and the Presumption of the Fathers of Trent in setting them upon the same Level is very heinous as well as very new Cardinal Cajetan was much of another mind but neither is he Mr. Pulton's Pope 2. The former Books of the Old Testament for about that Canon is the Contest were own'd by Christ himself and St. Paul But these were not could not be so And the Canon of the Israelites in Iosephus is ours 3. The Council of Carthage call'd these Books Canonical upon no other account than as Books allow'd to be read in Churches This is clear'd by the latter part of that supposed Canon for there the Fathers would have it known to

Boniface and other Bishops in order to the confirming of this Canon that they had received these Books to be read in the Church and then they give leave also that the Passions of Martyrs may be there read too upon their Anniversaries 2 ly It is true that St. Austin his next best Authority was a Consenter in general to the Council of Carthage and by that which he teaches about the Additional Books we shall understand them not to have been esteemed of equal Authority with the former Canon so that Mr. P. by producing St. Austin has brought us a Key to the Council of Carthage for the shutting out of himself Let us hear St. Austin in the very place cited by Mr. P. and afterwards in other places in which his mind is not ambiguously delivered The place cited by Mr. P. is in St. Austin's Book De Doctrina Christiana in which Book that Father asserts a Mystical sense in the Sixth Chapter of St. Iohn and in the very next Chapter to that cited by Mr. P. the Sufficiency and Perspicuity of the Scriptures If his Authority be valid for the Canon Why is it not for these latter Points But how very wide is Mr. P. of St. Austin's sense in this very place about the Canonical Books St. Austin affirms they are not all of equal Authority and Mr. P. affirms they are St. Austin before the Enumeration of them lays down these Rules of Caution A man must hold this measure in the Canonical Books he is to prefer those Scriptures which are received of all Catholick Churches where note he speaks of more Catholick Churches than one that is by Catholick he means Apostolick and Orthodox before those which some do not receive and in those which are not received of all let him prefer those which the greater number and the more considerable Churches receive before those which the Churches which are fewer and of lesser Authority receive But if he shall find some to be received by the greater number of Churches and others by the more considerable tho' this will scarce be found yet my opinion is that such are to be esteem'd of equal Authority There are many other places in S. Austin which make his mind very plain to those who are not so blind that they will not see Two places may at present suffice The first is In his Book of the City of God There he speaks of other Books which are not Canonical and amongst them reckons those of the Macchabees which were not in the Canon of the Israelites received as canonical by the Church by reason of the Suffering certain Martyrs by which passage it appears that the Church read them not as a primary Canon of Faith but a secondary Canon of Manners The next place is in his second Book against the Epistle of Gaudentius in which he asserteth that the Writings of the Macchabees were not received by the Iews as they received the Law the Prophets the Psalms for which our Lord bears Testimony as his Witnesses but that it is received by the Church and not unprofitably if it be soberly read or heard especially by reason of the Macchabean Martyrs As to the rest of his Authorities they are a further Testimony of the choice he made in his great Collection For his Epistle of Innnocent it was shuffled at last into the Roman Code which was very long without it Nor was the Decree of Gelasius known to the World till some Hundreds of years after his death and then it came forth out of the Dark Ware-house of Isidore Mercator Nor does it speak of the Order of the Canonical Books but of the Books of the Old Testament and it makes mention but of one Book of the Macchabees Further to what purpose is it after so great a gap in time as is betwixt these Authorities to mention the Council of Florence not held till the Year 1438. in which there was no Decree at all about the Apocryphal Books tho' he asserts the contrary from the no Authority of those who deceived the modern Epitomizer Caranza What Pope Eugenius might do is in this Cause insignificant As to that whole Council the Greeks at their return and when they were at Liberty undid that which out of fear and hope of Succour they seem'd to agree to whilst they were in the Territories of the Papacy 2. Touching his particular Points seeing he only mentions them and asks Questions about them without further Discourse upon them I will return him here a very brief answer reserving the further consideration of them for the forementioned Tract First For the Lords-day seeing a time is to be set apart for the Worship of God and that the Israelites by God's appointment kept one Day in Seven Sacred and that tho' the Law written in Tables of Stone so far as it was Typical and Mosaic was done away and that Christ came to perfect and not destroy the Law and that Christ rose on that day and that on that day at Pentecost his Church properly began and that this day was generally observed by Christians not meerly by Romans there is so strong a Scriptural Reason for the observation of it that no Church-Authority can omit or alter it without doing that which is irrational and unbecoming a Christian Society And if the Roman should make this Attempt it ought not to be obey'd 2. Concerning the Feast of Easter and the time of its observation I do not know who they are among Christians who make it one of the Necessaries to Salvation There is reason for making a solemn Memorial of Christ's Resurrection but that the Apostles setled the time is contrary to the express words in the Epistle not of Philippus as the Editor mistakes but Theophilus in the Council of Caesarea Which Epistle tho it is not so very ancient yet it is set out as such by the Jesuit Bucherius 3. Concerning Baptism Mr. P's third Point he says 't is necessary to Salvation If he had said generally necessary our Catechism had thus far agreed with him And St. Austin fetches his proofs for Infant-Baptism out of the Scripture against the Pelagians as our Church-Office does And they who consider that Infants are capable of ent'ring into Covenant with God and that Christ hath mentioned no other Gate of admittance into his Church but Baptism will fear the omission of Baptizing Infants And he who has regard to the Analogy of both Covenants will as readily construe our Saviour as requiring the Baptizing of Infants in that command Go and bring into the Christian School All Nations as a Iew would have construed Moses as requiring the Circumcising of Infants if he had said Go and Circumcise all Nations 4. For the Doctrine of the Blessed Trinity the Arians opposed it by Tradition and the Fathers prov'd it by Scripture And the place in St. Iohn's Epistle There are three that bear Record in Heaven was by the Arians believed to be of such

force against them that they removed it out of many Copies Instances are infinite I will produce but one out of St. Hilary which shews the way of the Fathers in proving the Divinity of Christ out of the Scriptures St. Hilary compares the places in Isa. 6. St. Ioh. 12. and Rom. 10. and then draws this Conclusion The Prophet speaks the Gospel witnesseth the Apostle interpreteth the Church confesseth him who was seen to be the true God whilst no man owneth that God the Father was seen CHAP. V. Mr. P. consider'd with Relation to what he hath said about the Lateran Council MR. Poulton had mistaken some hundreds of Years in time about the great Lateran Council and he was tax'd for it in particular manner before Mr. M. and neither of them then deni'd it and now he turns it off by an Evasion which Katherine heard that he appealed to a General Council and troubled not himself with a private Man meaning the Monk Paschasius Radbertus If this had been his Answer what occasion could there have been for this Question put aloud to Mr. Merideth Why do you bring a Man for Mr. M. is a manager in Conference who has not common skill in History But notwithstanding He certifies for himself that he has profound skill for he had read all the Ecclesiastical History especially the Acts of Innocent the third and had Volumes of Notes relating thereunto Volumes better worth 10000 l. than the Books which I am wont to boast of before Catharine in the Cloudes and other such Witnesses For this Lateran Council let us weigh a little for a little ' weighing will suffice for a Feather these Reasonings and Authorities about the Lateran Council He proves it to be a General Council because Binius Labbe and Carranza give such an Account of it and because I oppose it by Father Walsh the Franciscan who it seems weak man is nothing in the hands of three such Defenders of the August Assembly That it may appear the more August he Notes that it was held against the Heresies of the Albigenses Now he should either have left out the Persecution of the Albigenses on his side or his Epithets of Sanguinary Bloody Penal on ours for as long as the Saint of the Lateran Council St. Dominic is remembred Blood and Penalties will not be forgotten This by the by and he will chide me for Rambling I return to Father Walsh and Binius And 1. I did not prove this Council by the mere Authority of Father Walsh but only noted how Father Pulton and Father Walsh agreed about their Rule of Faith in the great Article of Transubstantiation and how Mr. P. had own'd a Deposing Canon and denied it's Deposing Doctrine but this was with nimble art to be so clearly skipt over as not to be touched 2. I do in one point at least value Father Walsh above his very famous Binius and Labbe for they were friends of the Deposing Doctrine and he has been an open Enemy to it and for that Reason drawn no small hatred upon him Binius has words to this effect in his Collection of Councils Bonifacius VIII Justly Excommunicated Philip the IV. of France sirnamed the Fair for his Violation of the Law of Nations Labbe repeats them in the August Edition of the Louvre without any Note in the Margent against them but this giving Offence in the next Edition a Note is added which is rather an Evasion than a Reproof of that Doctrine He Notes that Binius err'd he does not say in the Doctrine of Excommunicating the King but in the History because Philip was not in one Jesuits Opinion tho he was in another's Excommunicated at all Moreover in the second Apparatus of Labbe and Cossart Jesuits to their Collection of Councils they have publish'd without Reflection this dangerous Doctrine That the Pope alone has power to depose an Emperor Kings and any other kinds of Power After this is it possible for any man to guess why this Franciscan is not this Iesuits Pope You will be wide of the Mark if you say it is because Father Walsh is an open Remonstrant and against deposing Whether the Acts of this Council were genuine or not I now dispute not But 't is certain 't was no truly General Council and yet that the major Part of Romish Writers have said it was And seeing Mr. P. is become one of that number let him with more Art than others have done attempt the evading the genuine Sense of its Decree for the Extirpation of Heresie owned afterwards by the Bull of Martin the V. It was then thus decreed That if a temporal Lord being requir'd and warn'd by the Church should neglect to purge his Dominions of Heresie he should first be excommunicated by the Metropolitan and the other Bishops of his Province whereof if within a years time he gave no satisfaction the Pope was to be warned who might absolve his Subjects from their Allegiance and expose his Dominions to be seiz'd on by Catholicks who having destroyed the Hereticks might thenceforward possess it without any contradiction and preserve it in the purity of the Faith saving the Right of the Principal Lord on CONDITION that he put no hindrance And it is expresly added that the same Course is to be observ'd towards them who have no Principal Lords CHAP. VI. Mr. P. considered in relation to what he has said touching the antiquity of Popery in England THREE things on this subject Mr. Pulton asserts yet there is not one of them which he can maintain 1. He asserts that Popery flourished in this Kingdom near a Thousand years he might as well have added my number of Ten thousand before Protestancy was ever heard of and that we our selves confess it Whereas we say that the British Bishops protested against the Popes Jurisdiction above a Thousand years ago that we had Witnesses against Romish Errors before Luther rose That our Faith is the Faith in the Ancient Creeds and that if our Protestations against Romish Errors are new it is because they were new and that we could not sweep out the Dirt till they had brought it in and that we are the same Church as from the beginning the Corruptions only being remov'd 2. He avers that the Corruptions I mention are but supposed and that I shall never be able to shew that St. Gregories Faith was not that which Rome now teaches I had said already that Gregory the Great had not sent into the Land the same Canon the Romanists now go by for he would not allow the Books of Macchabees to be Canonical Now according to Mr. Pulton's Art of Logic if old Popery has a shorter and new Popery has a longer Rule the Popery is not the same But then was then and now is now 3. He asserts concerning the Doctrines of the Two famous Synods the Second of Nice and that of