Selected quad for the lemma: book_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
book_n	canon_n	old_a	testament_n	3,086	5	8.1547	4	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A02568	The peace of Rome Proclaimed to all the world, by her famous Cardinall Bellarmine, and the no lesse famous casuist Nauarre. Whereof the one acknowledgeth, and numbers vp aboue three hundred differences of opinion, maintained in the popish church. The other confesses neere threescore differences amongst their owne doctors in one onely point of their religion. Gathered faithfully out of their writings in their own words, and diuided into foure bookes, and those into seuerall decads. Whereto is prefixed a serious disswasiue from poperie. By I.H.	Azpilcueta, Martín de, 1492?-1586.; Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656.; Bellarmino, Roberto Francesco Romolo, Saint, 1542-1621. Disputationes de controversiis Christianae fidei. English. Selections.	1609 (1609)	STC 12696; ESTC S106027	106,338	252

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have_v not_o confess_v above_o five_o or_o six_o so_o that_o by_o the_o same_o proportion_n whereas_o three_o hundred_o and_o three_o contradiction_n be_v acknowledge_v there_o can_v but_o be_v many_o hundred_o witting_o by_o he_o conceal_v gen._n 11.7_o venite_fw-la igitur_fw-la descendamus_fw-la &_o confundamus_fw-la ibi_fw-la linguam_fw-la eorum_fw-la ut_fw-la non_fw-la audiat_fw-la unus_fw-la quis_fw-la que_fw-la vocem_fw-la proximi_fw-la svi_fw-la atque_fw-la ita_fw-la divisit_fw-la eos_fw-la dominus_fw-la ex_fw-la illo_fw-la loco_fw-la in_o universas_fw-la terras_fw-la &_o cessaverunt_fw-la aedificare_fw-la civitatem_fw-la &_o idcirco_fw-la vocatum_fw-la est_fw-la nomen_fw-la eius_fw-la babel_n etc._n etc._n the_o peace_n of_o rome_n lib_fw-la i._o first_o century_n of_o dissension_n decad_n i._o first_o bellarmine_n against_o nic._n lyra_n carthusian_n hugo_n and_o thomas_n cardinal_n sixtus_n senensis_n there_o have_v not_o want_v some_o which_o have_v hold_v the_o seven_o last_o chapter_n of_o the_o book_n of_o ester_n etc._n because_o they_o be_v not_o in_o the_o hebrew_n text_n spurious_a and_o counterfeit_a in_o which_o opinion_n be_v s._n hierom_n as_o be_v gather_v out_o of_o his_o praeface_n and_o follow_v he_o not_o only_o before_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n nicholas_n lyra_n apocryphal_a dionysius_n carthusianus_n hugo_n and_o thomas_n de_fw-fr ʋio_n cardinal_n but_o also_o since_o the_o say_a council_n sixtus_n senensis_n in_o the_o first_o and_o eight_o book_n of_o his_o bibliotheca_fw-la sancta_fw-la but_o that_o they_o be_v sacred_a and_o divine_a be_v sufficient_o prove_v by_o all_o those_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n and_o those_o testimony_n of_o hebrew_n greek_a and_o latin_a father_n which_o we_o have_v note_v former_o in_o the_o four_o chapter_n of_o this_o book_n and_o so_o those_o other_o chapter_n which_o be_v not_o in_o the_o hebrew_n etc._n etc._n bellarmine_n in_o his_o first_o book_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n chapt_n 7._o see_v at_o large_a his_o confutation_n of_o sixtus_n senensis_n in_o the_o same_o place_n pag._n 30._o second_o john_n driedo_n against_o bellarmine_n iohannes_n driedo_n a_o catholic_a writer_n deny_v the_o book_n of_o baruch_n to_o be_v canonical_a etc._n in_o his_o first_o book_n the_o last_o chapter_n at_o the_o last_o argument_n but_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n persuade_v we_o the_o contrary_a which_o in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n the_o four_o sit_v number_n the_o prophet_n baruch_n among_o the_o sacred_a book_n bellarmine_n the_o same_o book_n chap._n 8._o pag._n 41._o three_o erasmus_n and_o johannes_n driedo_n against_o bellarmine_n not_o only_o heretic_n etc._n pagan_n jew_n but_o of_o catholic_a christian_n julius_n africanus_n of_o old_a and_o of_o late_a johannes_n driedo_n in_o his_o first_o book_n de_fw-fr script_n etc._n etc._n chap._n last_o and_o of_o semi-christians_a erasmus_n in_o his_o scholee_n upon_o hieroms_n praeface_n to_o daniel_n have_v reject_v the_o story_n of_o susanna_n as_o new_a and_o foist_v into_o the_o canon_n but_o notwithstanding_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o all_o these_o part_n of_o daniel_n be_v true_o canonical_a bellarm._n the_o same_o book_n chap._n 9_o pag._n 43._o four_o cajetan_v a_o cardinal_n and_o some_o other_o nameless_a against_o bellarmine_n some_o object_n that_o the_o church_n receive_v those_o book_n that_o saint_n hierome_n receive_v hieron_n and_o refuse_v those_o which_o he_o reject_v as_o it_o appear_v distinct._n 15._o canon_n sancta_fw-la romana_fw-la but_o hierome_n flat_o affirm_v all_o these_o five_o book_n not_o to_o be_v canonical_a so_o reason_v cajetan_v otherwise_o a_o catholic_a &_o a_o holy_a doctor_n some_o answer_n that_o hierome_n say_v only_o that_o these_o be_v not_o canonical_a among_o the_o jew_n but_o that_o can_v be_v for_o he_o mention_v also_o the_o book_n of_o the_o pastor_n which_o be_v account_v to_o the_o new_a testament_n but_o i_o admit_v that_o hierome_n be_v of_o that_o opinion_n because_o no_o general_a council_n as_o yet_o have_v define_v of_o these_o book_n except_o only_o of_o the_o book_n of_o judith_n which_o hierome_n also_o afterward_o receive_v that_o therefore_o which_o gelasius_n say_v in_o the_o distinct_a above_o cite_v be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o book_n of_o the_o doctor_n of_o the_o church_n origin_n ruffian_n and_o the_o like_a not_o of_o the_o book_n of_o scripture_n bellarm._n ibid._n chap._n 10._o pag._n 53._o five_o bellarmine_n against_o erasmus_n caietanus_n erasmus_fw-la in_o our_o time_n erasmus_n in_o the_o end_n of_o his_o note_n upon_o this_o epistle_n and_o cajetan_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o his_o commentary_n upon_o this_o epistle_n have_v reviue_v and_o renew_v a_o question_n that_o have_v long_o sleep_v in_o silence_n concern_v the_o author_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o epistle_n to_o the_o hebrew_n bellarmine_n undertake_v to_o confute_v their_o several_a reason_n draw_v first_o from_o hebr._n 1.5_o compare_v with_o 2._o sam._n 7.14_o second_o from_o hebr._n 9.4_o compare_v with_o 1_o king_n 8.9_o three_o from_o heb._n 9.20_o compare_v with_o exod._n 24.8_o bellarm._n ibid._n chap._n 17._o pag._n 77._o six_o beda_n lyranus_fw-la driedo_n mercator_n sulpitius_n genebrard_n benedictus_n bellarmine_n dissent_v etc._n there_o be_v two_o principal_a opinion_n about_o the_o story_n of_o judith_n some_o will_v have_v that_o story_n to_o have_v happen_v after_o the_o babilonish_a captivity_n either_o in_o cambyses_n time_n so_o beda_n lyranus_fw-la io._n driedo_n or_o under_o darius_n hystaspes_n as_o gerardus_n mercator_n severus_n sulpitius_n refer_v it_o to_o artaxerxes_n ochus_n some_o other_o hold_v it_o to_o have_v be_v after_o the_o captivity_n either_o in_o sedecias_n time_n as_o gil._n genebrardus_n or_o josias_n as_o john_n benedictus_n but_o neither_o of_o these_o seem_v to_o i_o probable_a enough_o say_v bellarmine_n who_o confute_v all_o they_o placeth_z this_o story_n in_o the_o reign_n of_o manasses_n king_n of_o juda_n bellarm._n same_o book_n c._n 12._o

treatise_n of_o image_n where_o he_o teach_v that_o god_n in_o the_o ten_o commandment_n simple_o forbid_v all_o image_n but_o that_o this_o precept_n be_v only_o positive_a and_o temporal_a but_o this_o opinion_n be_v not_o allow_v of_o we_o especial_o because_o saint_n irenaeus_n direct_o teach_v that_o the_o decalogue_n be_v natural_a except_v only_o that_o precept_n of_o the_o sabbath_n and_o tertullian_n in_o his_o book_n of_o idolatry_n hold_v that_o this_o precept_n be_v most_o of_o all_o now_o to_o be_v observe_v so_o cyprian_a also_o austen_n etc._n etc._n the_o three_o be_v of_o thomas_n cajetan_v upon_o 20._o exod._n which_o teach_v that_o not_o every_o image_n or_o idol_n be_v there_o forbid_a but_o only_o that_o there_o be_v forbid_v to_o any_o man_n to_o make_v to_o himself_o any_o image_n which_o he_o will_v take_v for_o his_o god_n this_o opinion_n displease_v i_o only_o in_o the_o manner_n of_o speech_n for_o cajetan_n take_v a_o image_n and_o a_o idol_n both_o for_o one_o which_o be_v false_a etc._n etc._n bellarm._n l._n 2._o contr_n 7._o gener_fw-la c._n 7._o that_o be_v de_fw-fr imaginibus_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la l._n 2._o c._n 7._o p._n 176._o decad_n x._o first_o abulensis_n durandus_fw-la peresius_n against_o catharinus_n payva_n saunders_n and_o bellarmine_n etc._n the_o four_o opinion_n be_v caluin_n in_o the_o first_o book_n of_o his_o institution_n ch_n 11._o where_o he_o say_v it_o be_v a_o abominable_a sin_n to_o make_v a_o visible_a and_o bodily_a image_n of_o the_o invisible_a and_o incorporeal_a god_n and_o this_o opinion_n of_o caluin_n be_v also_o the_o opinion_n of_o some_o catholic_a doctor_n as_o abulensis_n upon_o 4._o deuteron_n quaest_n 5._o and_o durandus_fw-la upon_o 3_o do_v 9_o q._n 2._o and_o peresius_n in_o his_o book_n of_o tradition_n but_o i_o affirm_v three_o thing_n first_o that_o it_o be_v not_o so_o certain_a in_o the_o church_n that_o we_o may_v make_v image_n of_o god_n or_o the_o trinity_n as_o of_o christ_n and_o the_o saint_n for_o this_o all_o catholic_n confess_v second_o that_o calvin_n fraud_n and_o craft_n be_v admirable_a who_o after_o he_o have_v prove_v that_o image_n of_o god_n be_v not_o to_o be_v make_v digress_v to_o amplification_n and_o triumph_n as_o if_o he_o have_v prove_v that_o we_o may_v not_o make_v or_o worship_v any_o image_n at_o all_o three_o i_o say_v that_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o paint_v the_o image_n of_o god_n the_o father_n in_o the_o form_n of_o a_o old_a man_n and_o of_o the_o holy_a spirit_n in_o the_o form_n of_o a_o dove_n as_o be_v teach_v also_o by_o cajetan_n 3._o ambrose_n catharinus_n etc._n diegus_n payva_n nicholas_n saunders_n thomas_n waldensis_n bellarmine_n ibid._n ch_z 8._o p._n 179._o second_o bellarmine_n against_o bartholomaeus_n caranza_n beside_o it_o must_v be_v note_v etc._n that_o bartholomaeus_n caranza_n err_v who_o in_o the_o sum_n of_o the_o counsel_n say_v can._n 82._o of_o the_o 6._o synod_n that_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o form_n of_o a_o lamb_n and_o of_o the_o spirit_n in_o the_o form_n of_o a_o dove_n be_v there_o forbid_a whereas_o the_o council_n forbid_v not_o these_o image_n but_o only_o prefer_v to_o they_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n in_o a_o humane_a form_n etc._n etc._n beside_o the_o reason_n of_o bartholomaeus_n seem_v to_o conclude_v against_o himself_o that_o the_o shadow_n cease_v when_o the_o truth_n come_v for_o these_o image_n be_v not_o in_o use_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n but_o begin_v only_o after_o christ_n come_n but_o his_o error_n be_v to_o be_v correct_v out_o of_o the_o 7._o synod_n where_o this_o canon_n be_v often_o entire_o cite_v bellarmine_n same_o book_n chap._n 8._o pag._n 182._o three_o payva_n saunders_n alan_n copus_n and_o other_o differ_v payva_fw-la answer_n responder_n that_o the_o elebertine_n council_n forbid_v only_o a_o image_n of_o god_n which_o be_v make_v to_o represent_v the_o shape_n of_o god_n but_o this_o seem_v not_o to_o satisfy_v nicholas_n saunders_n answer_v that_o the_o council_n for_o bad_a image_n in_o the_o church_n because_o the_o time_n and_o place_n require_v it_o for_o then_o there_o be_v danger_n lest_o the_o gentile_n shall_v think_v we_o worship_v wood_n and_o stone_n and_o lest_o that_o in_o the_o persecution_n their_o image_n shall_v have_v be_v reproachful_o handle_v by_o the_o persecutor_n this_o answer_n be_v good_a alanus_fw-la copus_n in_o b._n 5._o of_o dialog_n ch_n 16_o say_v that_o image_n be_v here_o forbid_v because_o they_o begin_v to_o be_v worship_v of_o those_o christian_n as_o god_n in_o which_o sense_n saint_n ino._n take_v that_o canon_n in_o decret_a part_n 3._o c._n 40._o but_o this_o exposition_n be_v not_o well_o warrant_v by_o the_o reason_n of_o the_o canon_n other_o say_v that_o there_o be_v only_o forbid_v to_o paint_v image_n on_o the_o wall_n and_o not_o in_o table_n and_o veil_n but_o howsoever_o it_o be_v that_o council_n be_v rather_o for_o we_o then_o against_o us._n bellarm._n ibid._n ch_z 9_o p._n 190._o four_o three_o rank_n of_o popish_a writer_n dissent_v of_o the_o last_o question_n etc._n what_o manner_n of_o worship_n image_n be_v worthy_a of_o there_o be_v three_o opinion_n first_o that_o the_o image_n be_v no_o way_n in_o itself_o to_o be_v worship_v but_o only_o that_o the_o thing_n represent_v be_v to_o be_v worship_v before_o the_o image_n so_o some_o hold_n who_o catharinus_n both_o report_n and_o refute_v the_o same_o seem_v to_o be_v hold_v by_o alexander_n 3._o part_n q._n 30._o art_n ult._n as_o also_o by_o durandus_fw-la 3._o sent._n di_o 9_o q._n 2._o and_o by_o alphonsus_n a_o castro_n the_o second_o that_o the_o same_o honour_n be_v due_a to_o the_o image_n and_o the_o thing_n express_v by_o it_o and_o therefore_o that_o christ_n image_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v with_o the_o worship_n of_o latria_n saint_n mary_n with_o hyperdulia_fw-la the_o saint_n with_o dulia_n so_o alexander_n 3._o part_n q._n 30._o art_n ult._n saint_n thomas_n 3_o p._n q._n 25._o art_n 3._o and_o upon_o the_o same_o place_n cajetan_n s._n bonaventure_n marsilius_n almain_n carthusianus_n capreolus_n and_o other_o which_o opinion_n stand_v upon_o 7_o ground_n there_o specify_v the_o three_o opinion_n in_o the_o mean_a be_v of_o they_o that_o say_v image_n in_o themselves_o proper_o shall_v be_v honour_v but_o with_o a_o less_o honour_n than_o the_o thing_n represent_v and_o therefore_o that_o no_o image_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v with_o latria_n so_o hold_v martinus_n peresius_n ambrose_n catharinus_n nicholas_n saunders_n gabriel_n bellarm._n ibid._n c._n 20._o p._n 235.236.237_o etc._n etc._n what_o shift_n bellarmine_n make_v to_o reconcile_v the_o second_o opinion_n by_o adoration_n improper_o and_o by_o accident_n see_v the_o same_o book_n c._n 23._o p._n 242._o five_o bellarmine_n against_o peresius_n and_o durandus_fw-la etc._n etc._n peresius_n answer_v that_o it_o be_v not_o true_a respondet_fw-la that_o we_o be_v carry_v with_o the_o same_o motion_n of_o the_o heart_n to_o the_o image_n and_o the_o thing_n represent_v since_o these_o two_o be_v opposite_n neither_o can_v be_v know_v but_o with_o a_o double_a act_n of_o knowledge_n bellarmine_n confute_v he_o and_o show_v that_o these_o two_o be_v so_o opposite_a as_o that_o one_o depend_v upon_o another_o and_o that_o one_o can_v neither_o be_v define_v nor_o know_v without_o the_o other_o durandus_fw-la answer_v otherwise_o for_o he_o admit_v there_o be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o motion_n to_o both_o but_o deny_v that_o therefore_o they_o have_v but_o one_o and_o the_o same_o adoration_n other_o confirm_v this_o answer_n for_o that_o although_o there_o be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o motion_n of_o the_o mind_n that_o be_v of_o the_o understanding_n towards_o they_o both_o yet_o there_o may_v be_v contrary_a motion_n of_o will_n etc._n etc._n but_o this_o answer_n satisfy_v not_o i_o hold_v there_o must_v be_v another_o answer_n give_v see_v his_o determination_n at_o large_a that_o there_o be_v the_o same_o motion_n of_o the_o understanding_n and_o will_n to_o the_o image_n and_o the_o thing_n express_v but_o in_o diverse_a respect_n as_o either_o of_o they_o be_v make_v the_o principal_a or_o indirect_a object_n bellarm._n ibid._n c._n 24._o p._n 246._o six_o tho._n waldensis_n against_o abulensis_n jansenius_n and_o other_o waldensis_n thomas_n waldensis_n hold_v not_o improbable_o in_o his_o 3._o tom._n tit._n 20._o ch_n 158._o that_o the_o very_a wooden_a cross_n which_o be_v now_o divide_v into_o many_o piece_n and_o parcel_n shall_v then_o be_v renew_v and_o gather_v up_o together_o and_o shall_v appear_v in_o heaven_n the_o same_o seem_v to_o be_v affirm_v by_o sibilla_n and_o chrysostome_n and_o the_o other_o father_n do_v not_o contradict_v it_o but_o if_o this_o be_v not_o admit_v at_o least_o the_o bright_a image_n

p._n 58._o seven_o erasmus_n and_o cajetan_n against_o bellarm._n and_o all_o other_o true_a catholic_n erasm_n in_o his_o note_n upon_o these_o epistle_n affirm_v etc._n that_o the_o epistle_n of_o james_n do_v not_o savour_v of_o a_o apostolic_a gravity_n he_o doubt_v of_o the_o second_o epistle_n of_o peter_n he_o affirm_v the_o second_o and_o three_o epistle_n of_o john_n be_v not_o write_v by_o john_n the_o apostle_n but_o by_o another_o of_o judes_n epistle_n he_o say_v nothing_o cajetan_a doubt_n of_o the_o author_n of_o the_o epistle_n of_o james_n of_o jude_n of_o the_o second_o and_o three_o of_o john_n and_o therefore_o will_v have_v they_o to_o be_v of_o less_o authority_n than_o the_o rest_n bellarmine_n just_o refute_v their_o opinion_n ch_n 18._o pag._n 86._o eight_o erasmus_n against_o all_o true_a catholic_n erasmus_n in_o the_o end_n of_o his_o note_n upon_o the_o revelation_n dubitarent_fw-la seek_v out_o many_o doubtful_a conjecture_n whereby_o he_o will_v prove_v this_o book_n of_o the_o revelation_n not_o to_o be_v write_v by_o john_n the_o apostle_n his_o three_o reason_n be_v true_o answer_v by_o bellarmine_n chap._n 19_o p._n 94._o nine_o genebrardus_n against_o bellarmine_n the_o four_o book_n of_o esdras_n be_v indeed_o cite_v by_o ambrose_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr bono_n mortis_fw-la etc._n and_o in_o his_o second_o book_n upon_o luke_n and_o in_o the_o 21._o epistle_n to_o horatian_n but_o doubtless_o it_o be_v not_o canonical_a since_o that_o it_o be_v not_o by_o any_o council_n account_v in_o the_o canon_n and_o be_v not_o find_v either_o in_o hebrew_a or_o greek_a and_o contain_v in_o the_o six_o chapter_n very_o fabulous_a toy_n i_o wonder_v therefore_o what_o come_v into_o genebrards_n mind_n that_o he_o will_v have_v this_o book_n pertain_v to_o the_o canon_n in_o his_o chronology_n pag._n 90._o bellarm._n chap._n 20._o pag._n 99_o ten_o jacobus_n christopolitanus_fw-la canus_n against_o bellarmine_n etc._n omit_v those_o therefore_o which_o false_o attribute_v too_o much_o purity_n unto_o the_o hebrew_n text_n we_o be_v to_o meet_v with_o other_o which_o in_o a_o good_a zeal_n but_o i_o know_v not_o whether_o according_a to_o knowledge_n defend_v that_o the_o jew_n in_o hatred_n of_o the_o christian_a religion_n have_v purposely_o deprave_a many_o place_n of_o scripture_n so_o teach_v jacob_n bishop_n of_o christopolis_n in_o his_o praeface_n to_o the_o psalm_n and_o canus_n in_o his_o second_o book_n and_o thirteen_o chapter_n of_o common_a place_n these_o bellarmine_n confute_v by_o most_o weighty_a argument_n as_o he_o call_v they_o and_o show_v that_o by_o this_o defence_n the_o vulgar_a edition_n shall_v be_v most_o corrupt_a in_o 2._o book_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n chap._n 2._o pag._n 108._o decad_n ii_o first_o pagnin_n paulus_n forosempron_n eugubius_fw-la io._n mirandulanus_n driedo_n sixtus_n senensis_n all_o together_o by_o the_o ear_n concern_v this_o vulgar_a latin_a edition_n etc._n there_o be_v no_o small_a question_n that_o it_o be_v not_o jeromes_n be_v hold_v by_o sanctus_n pagninus_n in_o the_o praeface_n of_o his_o interpretation_n of_o the_o bible_n to_o clement_n the_o eight_o and_o paulus_n bishop_n of_o forosempronium_fw-la in_o his_o second_o book_n first_o chapter_n of_o the_o day_n of_o christ_n passion_n contrary_o that_o it_o be_v jeromes_n be_v defend_v by_o augustine_n eugubinus_n and_o johannes_n picus_n mirandulanus_n in_o book_n set_v out_o to_o that_o purpose_n and_o by_o some_o other_o but_o that_o it_o be_v mix_v both_o of_o the_o new_a and_o old_a be_v maintain_v by_o io._n driedo_n in_o his_o second_o book_n ch_n 1._o and_o sixtus_n senensis_n in_o his_o 8._o book_n of_o the_o holy_a library_n and_o the_o end_n bellarm._n 2._o book_n chap._n 9_o pag._n 135._o second_o bellarmine_n against_o some_o nameles_a author_n concern_v the_o translation_n of_o the_o septuagint_n etc._n though_o i_o know_v some_o hold_v it_o be_v utter_o lose_v yet_o i_o hold_v rather_o that_o it_o be_v so_o corrupt_v that_o it_o seem_v another_o bellarm._n 2._o book_n ch_n 6._o pag._n 127._o three_o valla_n faber_n erasmus_n and_o other_o against_o bellarmine_n that_o place_n rom._n 1.32_o not_o only_a kemnitius_n etc._n but_o also_o valla_n erasmus_n jacobus_n faber_n and_o other_o will_v have_v to_o be_v corrupt_v in_o the_o latin_a vulgar_a bellarmine_n confute_v they_o and_o will_v show_v that_o their_o latin_a translation_n herein_o be_v better_a than_o the_o greek_a original_a bellarm._n same_o book_n chap._n 14._o pag._n 168._o four_o card._n cajetan_n against_o bellarmine_n thomas_n caietanus_n in_o his_o treatise_n of_o the_o institut_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o b._n of_o rome_n etc._n chap._n 5._o teach_v that_o the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n be_v not_o the_o same_o with_o the_o power_n of_o bind_v and_o lose_v for_o that_o the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n include_v the_o power_n of_o order_n and_o jurisdiction_n and_o somewhat_o more_o but_o this_o doctrine_n seem_v to_o we_o more_o subtle_a than_o true_a for_o it_o be_v never_o hear_v of_o that_o the_o church_n have_v any_o other_o key_n beside_o those_o of_o order_n and_o jurisdiction_n bellarm._n 1._o book_n of_o the_o pope_n ch_n 12._o pag._n 101._o five_o joachim_n raymundus_n a_o nameless_a frenchman_n against_o all_o catholic_n that_o there_o be_v three_o eternal_a spirit_n etc._n father_n son_n holy_a ghost_n essential_o differ_v be_v teach_v by_o a_o certain_a frenchman_n in_o anselmes_n time_n and_o the_o same_o seem_v to_o be_v hold_v by_o joachim_n the_o abbot_n in_o the_o year_n 1190._o and_o raymundus_n lullius_n in_o the_o year_n 1270._o confute_v by_o bellarmine_n in_o his_o first_o book_n de_fw-fr christo._n cha_n 2._o pag._n 37._o six_o erasmus_n confute_v by_o bellarmine_n bellarmines_n disputation_n against_o the_o transsiluani_n etc._n and_o erasmus_n as_o their_o patron_n concern_v the_o divinity_n of_o christ_n warrant_v from_o diverse_a place_n of_o scripture_n see_v bell._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr christo._n ch_z 6._o pag._n 72.73_o seven_o bellarmine_n against_o durandus_fw-la the_o four_o error_n be_v of_o durandus_fw-la in_o 3._o d._n 22._o q._n 3._o who_o teach_v &c_n that_o christ_n soul_n descend_v not_o to_o hell_n in_o substance_n but_o only_o in_o certain_a effect_n because_o it_o do_v illuminate_v those_o holy_a father_n which_o be_v in_o limbo_n which_o opinion_n to_o be_v erroneous_a and_o yet_o not_o so_o ill_a as_o caluin_n be_v prove_v by_o four_o argument_n and_o all_o his_o objection_n answer_v by_o bellarm._n l._n 4._o de_fw-la christo_fw-la ch_n 15._o pag._n 391.392_o etc._n etc._n eight_o bonaventure_n against_o thomas_n saint_n thomas_n p._n 3._o q._n 52._o art_n 2._o teach_v etc._n that_o christ_n by_o his_o real_a presence_n descend_v but_o to_o limbus_n patrum_fw-la and_o in_o effect_n only_o to_o the_o other_o place_n of_o hell_n but_o it_o be_v probable_a that_o his_o soul_n descend_v to_o all_o second_o saint_n thomas_n seem_v to_o say_v p._n 3._o q._n 52._o be_v 1._o that_o it_o be_v some_o punishment_n to_o christ_n to_o be_v in_o hell_n according_a to_o his_o soul_n etc._n etc._n and_o cajetan_n in_o act_n 2._o say_v that_o the_o sorrow_n of_o christ_n death_n continue_v in_o he_o till_o his_o resurrection_n in_o regard_n of_o three_o penalty_n whereof_o the_o second_o be_v that_o the_o soul_n remain_v in_o hell_n a_o place_n not_o convenient_a for_o it_o but_o bonavent_a in_o 3._o d._n 22._o q._n 4._o say_v that_o christ_n soul_n while_o it_o be_v in_o hell_n be_v in_o the_o place_n of_o punishment_n indeed_o but_o without_o punishment_n which_o seem_v to_o i_o more_o agreeable_a to_o the_o father_n bellarm._n l._n 4_o de_fw-fr christo._n c._n 16._o p._n 396.397_o etc._n etc._n nine_o bellarmine_n and_o all_o other_o papist_n against_o lyranus_fw-la nicolaus_n lyranus_fw-la be_v not_o of_o so_o great_a authority_n that_o we_o shall_v oppose_v he_o to_o all_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o historian_n etc._n which_o say_v that_o peter_n be_v slay_v at_o rome_n not_o as_o lyranus_fw-la at_o jerusalem_n bellarm._n l._n 2._o of_o the_o pope_n of_o rome_n ch_n 10._o pag._n 210._o ten_o aeneas_n silvius_n confute_v by_o bellarmine_n etc._n that_o speech_n of_o aeneas_n silvius_n afterward_o pope_n that_o before_o the_o nicene_n council_n each_o man_n live_v to_o himself_o and_o there_o be_v small_a respect_n have_v of_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v partly_o true_a and_o partly_o false_a it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o power_n of_o the_o pope_n be_v somewhat_o in_o those_o time_n hinder_v but_o it_o be_v not_o true_a that_o there_o be_v so_o little_a respect_n give_v he_o bellarm._n l._n 2._o de_fw-fr pontif._n c._n 17._o pag_n 252._o decad_n iii_o first_o martinus_n polonus_n confute_v by_o bellarmine_n the_o confutation_n of_o martinus_n polonus_n which_o live_v an._n 1250._o in_o that_o story_n