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A67270 Baptismōn didachē, the doctrine of baptisms, or, A discourse of dipping and sprinkling wherein is shewed the lawfulness of other ways of baptization, besides that of a total immersion, and objections against it answered / by William Walker ... Walker, William, 1623-1684. 1678 (1678) Wing W417; ESTC R39415 264,191 320

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119._o in_o the_o year_n 1603._o be_v print_v colon._n agrippin_n cardinal_z tolet_n case_n of_o conscience_n and_o therein_o he_o deliver_v it_o as_o necessary_a that_o there_o be_v a_o ablution_n of_o the_o body_n of_o the_o baptize_v with_o water_n but_o then_o he_o tell_v you_o that_o by_o ablution_n be_v mean_v either_o immersion_n once_o or_o thrice_o or_o aspersion_n or_o effusion_n and_o that_o which_o of_o these_o way_n soever_o it_o be_v do_v the_o baptism_n hold_v good_a etc._n etc._n 493._o quid_fw-la de_fw-la
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therefore_o in_o this_o as_o in_o other_o case_n god_n require_v mercy_n rather_o than_o sacrifice_n especial_o consider_v that_o the_o main_a end_n of_o baptism_n be_v attain_v this_o way_n and_o the_o mystical_a effect_n of_o it_o as_o true_o though_o not_o so_o plain_o and_o significant_o represent_v by_o sprinkle_v as_o by_o put_v the_o body_n under_o water_n §_o 4._o in_o which_o discourse_n of_o his_o these_o remark_n be_v so_o obvious_a that_o it_o be_v loss_n i_o fear_v of_o time_n to_o take_v notice_n of_o they_o to_o the_o reader_n 1._o that_o the_o practice_n of_o dip_v be_v but_o almost_o and_o be_v not_o absolute_o universal_a in_o the_o primitive_a time_n 2._o that_o sprinkle_v be_v not_o
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lift_v up_o from_o the_o water_n it_o represent_v the_o resurrection_n of_o the_o new_a man_n to_o newness_n of_o life_n §_o 61._o in_o which_o part_n of_o the_o discourse_n i_o can_v but_o note_v three_o thing_n which_o mr._n d._n be_v not_o please_v to_o advert_v unto_o first_o a_o acknowledgement_n that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n do_v not_o want_v some_o good_a example_n in_o the_o best_a time_n to_o countenance_v her_o permission_n of_o sprinkle_v good_a example_n and_o in_o the_o best_a time_n be_v very_o material_a word_n for_o we_o and_o give_v we_o a_o antiquity_n as_o old_a and_o as_o good_a as_o we_o can_v desire_v and_o utter_o overthrow_v all_o that_o ever_o can_v be_v say_v against_o we_o especial_o on_o the_o account_n of_o antiquity_n second_o that_o the_o analogy_n betwixt_o immersion_n and_o emersion_n and_o the_o death_n or_o burial_n of_o the_o old_a man_n and_o resurrection_n of_o the_o new_a man_n be_v make_v the_o mystery_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o by_o 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