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A94733 An apology or plea for the Two treatises, and appendix to them concerning infant-baptisme; published Decemb. 15. 1645. Against the unjust charges, complaints, and censures of Doctor Nathanael Homes, Mr Iohn Geree, Mr Stephen Marshall, Mr John Ley, and Mr William Hussey; together with a postscript by way of reply to Mr Blakes answer to Mr Tombes his letter, and Mr Edmund Calamy, and Mr Richard Vines preface to it. Wherein the principall heads of the dispute concerning infant-baptism are handled, and the insufficiency of the writings opposed to the two treatises manifested. / By Iohn Tombes, B.D. Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1646 (1646) Wing T1801; Thomason E352_1; ESTC R201072 143,666 170

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the_o great_a and_o other_o and_o their_o solemn_a baptise_v only_o at_o easter_n and_o whitsuntide_n which_o be_v observe_v in_o the_o rubric_n of_o the_o english_a liturgy_n i_o think_v shall_v abundant_o satisfy_v man_n concern_v this_o truth_n i_o cite_v likewise_o grotius_n his_o speech_n of_o many_o of_o the_o greek_n who_o in_o every_o age_n even_o to_o this_o day_n do_v keep_v the_o custom_n of_o defer_v the_o baptism_n of_o little_a one_o till_o they_o can_v themselves_o make_v a_o confession_n of_o their_o faith_n for_o which_o word_n though_o he_o cite_v no_o author_n yet_o i_o presume_v grotius_n who_o be_v even_o by_o spanheimius_n often_o style_v vir_fw-la summus_fw-la will_v not_o have_v say_v it_o unless_o he_o have_v some_o ground_n for_o it_o mr_n martial_n say_v i_o may_v blush_v for_o justify_v the_o anabaptist_n in_o say_v that_o the_o
ancient_n especial_o the_o greek_a church_n have_v reject_v the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n for_o many_o hundred_o year_n meaning_n in_o the_o first_o age_n after_o christ_n but_o as_o yet_o neither_o mr_n marshal_n nor_o his_o friend_n have_v show_v i_o sufficient_a reason_n why_o i_o shall_v retract_v it_o for_o what_o he_o bring_v out_o of_o photius_n and_o balsamon_n man_n of_o much_o late_a stand_n about_o the_o late_a canon_n and_o imperial_a law_n of_o the_o greek_n and_o one_o of_o the_o 8_o canon_n conclude_v in_o carthage_n against_o the_o pelagian_n require_v infant_n to_o be_v baptize_v prove_v not_o but_o that_o the_o greek_a church_n reject_v baptise_v of_o infant_n many_o hundred_o of_o year_n in_o the_o first_o age_n nor_o do_v it_o overthrow_v that_o of_o grotius_n that_o many_o of_o the_o greek_n he_o do_v not_o say_v the_o greek_a church_n in_o every_o age_n to_o this_o day_n do_v keep_v the_o custom_n of_o defer_v the_o baptise_v of_o little_a one_o till_o they_o can_v themselves_o make_v a_o confession_n of_o their_o faith_n yea_o the_o law_n bring_v by_o mr_n martial_n rather_o prove_v it_o for_o why_o shall_v law_n be_v make_v for_o it_o but_o because_o many_o do_v neglect_v it_o and_o the_o story_n out_o of_o balsamon_n about_o captive_n of_o christian_n rather_o show_v that_o some_o be_v not_o baptize_v when_o little_a one_o even_o among_o ch●ristians_n because_o they_o determine_v if_o there_o be_v no_o witness_n to_o prove_v their_o baptism_n though_o child_n of_o christian_n they_o shall_v be_v baptize_v as_o for_o grotius_n his_o be_v a_o friend_n to_o the_o socinian_o it_o be_v nothing_o to_o i_o who_o know_v not_o grotius_n nor_o his_o way_n nor_o ever_o plead_v for_o he_o yet_o i_o remember_v i_o have_v read_v that_o though_o he_o be_v accuse_v thereof_o long_o ago_o by_o ravenspergerus_n he_o be_v justify_v by_o vossius_fw-la and_o what_o ever_o rivet_n maresius_n laurentius_n charge_v he_o with_o yet_o his_o work_n have_v a_o place_n among_o the_o learned_a and_o may_v be_v read_v and_o make_v use_n of_o cum_fw-la judicio_fw-la at_o least_o as_o the_o work_n of_o papist_n lutheran_n prelatist_n etc._n etc._n who_o yet_o may_v be_v taint_v with_o error_n even_o theophilus_n philokyriaces_n loncardie_n usis_fw-la if_o i_o mistake_v not_o master_n marshal_n friend_n do_v in_o the_o very_a title_n page_n of_o his_o dies_z dominica_n and_o in_o the_o book_n make_v use_v of_o barenius_n his_o testimony_n in_o his_o annal_n a_o author_n and_o work_n as_o much_o except_v against_o ●●_o grotius_n nor_o do_v i_o find_v that_o in_o that_o wherein_o i_o make_v use_v of_o grotius_n he_o have_v deceive_v i_o or_o i_o or_o he_o wrong_v the_o truth_n or_o our_o reader_n mr_n martial_n pag._n 54._o of_o his_o defence_n say_v that_o he_o perceive_v i_o have_v make_v great_a use_n in_o this_o controversy_n of_o a_o arminian_n book_n common_o know_v by_o the_o name_n of_o censura_fw-la censurae_fw-la whereas_o i_o never_o read_v the_o book_n or_o make_v any_o use_n of_o it_o till_o i_o read_v this_o passage_n in_o mr_n marshal_n defence_n but_o since_o i_o confess_v i_o have_v read_v chapter_n 23_o of_o it_o and_o be_o by_o that_o i_o find_v there_o the_o more_o confirm_v in_o that_o truth_n wherein_o i_o concur_v with_o that_o author_n though_o the_o truth_n be_v the_o chief_a light_n i_o have_v for_o antiquity_n in_o this_o matter_n be_v some_o little_a read_n of_o my_o own_o and_o that_o which_o i_o read_v in_o vossius_fw-la his_o thesis_n theol_n de_fw-fr paedobaptism_n but_o because_o mr._n martial_n have_v accuse_v i_o as_o have_v correspondency_n with_o they_o who_o be_v not_o likely_a to_o help_v i_o with_o any_o certain_a intelligence_n that_o it_o may_v appear_v that_o i_o use_v what_o diligence_n i_o can_v to_o get_v most_o certain_a intelligence_n when_o i_o apply_v myself_o to_o answer_v mr_n marshal_n sermon_n i_o presume_v to_o write_v this_o ensue_a letter_n to_o that_o famous_a learned_a gentleman_n mr_n john_n selden_n of_o the_o inner_a temple_n clarissime_fw-la vir_fw-la inter_fw-la theologorum_fw-la placita_fw-la haec_fw-la obtinent_fw-la baptismum_fw-la joannis_n &_o christ_n circumcisioni_fw-la judaicae_n succedere_fw-la ejusque_fw-la locum_fw-la occupare_fw-la atque_fw-la inde_fw-la paedobaptismi_fw-la ri●um_fw-la deduci_fw-la mihi_fw-la verò_fw-la cum_fw-la de_fw-la paedobaptismi_fw-la origine_fw-la tum_fw-la de_fw-fr successione_n baptismi_fw-la in_o locum_fw-la circumcisionis_fw-la a_o vera_fw-la tradant_fw-la theologi_fw-la isti_fw-la gravis_fw-la diu_fw-la insedit_fw-la dubitatio_fw-la baptismi_fw-la enim_fw-la institutum_fw-la longè_fw-la aliud_fw-la esse_fw-la à_fw-la circumcisione_n &_o paedobaptismum_n in_o ecclesiis_fw-la christianis_fw-la nonnisi_fw-la in_o seculo_fw-la post_fw-la apostolos_fw-la secundo_fw-la obtinuisse_fw-la plurima_fw-la suadent_fw-la inter_fw-la alia_fw-la vero_fw-la istud_fw-la urget_fw-la quod_fw-la legerim_fw-la alicubi_fw-la quanquam_fw-la libris_fw-la jam_fw-la spoliatus_fw-la locum_fw-la judicare_fw-la nequeam_fw-la baptismi_fw-la ritum_fw-la fuisse_fw-la satis_fw-la notum_fw-la ante_fw-la joannis_n baptistae_fw-la tempora_fw-la in_o admissione_n proselytorum_fw-la aut_fw-la discipulorum_fw-la apud_fw-la judaeos_fw-la &_o interrogatio_fw-la pharisaeorum_fw-la non_fw-la de_fw-la novitate_fw-la ritus_fw-la sed_fw-la de_fw-la authoritate_fw-la baptizantis_fw-la quaerentium_fw-la joannis_n evangelii_n cap._n 1._o co●_n 25._o idem_fw-la innuere_fw-la videtur_fw-la et_fw-la forsan_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d apud_fw-la eundem_fw-la cap._n 3._o com._n 25._o ad_fw-la usurpationem_fw-la istius_fw-la ritus_fw-la spectabat_fw-la paedobaptismum_fw-la verò_fw-la ignotum_fw-la fuisse_fw-la primaevis_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la christianarum_fw-la temporibus_fw-la asserit_fw-la ludovicus_n vives_n comment_n in_o augustini_fw-la de_fw-la civitate_fw-la dei_fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 27._o quapropter_fw-la vir_fw-la ornatissime_fw-la super_fw-la istis_fw-la apicibus_fw-la doctrinae_fw-la successione_n scilicet_fw-la baptismi●●_n lecum_fw-la circumcisionis_fw-la &_o paedobaptismi_fw-la origin●_n te_fw-la cujus_fw-la periti●_n in_fw-la rebus_fw-la &_o scriptis_fw-la hebraicis_fw-la &_o ecclesiasticis_fw-la veritatis_fw-la amor_fw-la animique_fw-la candour_n satis_fw-la spectantur_fw-la &_o latè_fw-la praedicantur_fw-la consulendum_fw-la duxi_fw-la pla●eat_fw-la itaque_fw-la claritudini_fw-la tu●_n mihi_fw-la quanquam_fw-la obscure_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d tamen_fw-la tanquam_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d super_fw-la ●stare_fw-la animi_fw-la sententiam_fw-la tui_fw-la impertire_fw-la et_fw-la quoniam_fw-la sit_v scio_fw-la te_fw-la plurimis_fw-la iisque_fw-la gravissimis_fw-la negotits_fw-fr occupari_fw-la responsum_fw-la tuum_fw-la se●_n pluribus_fw-la seu_fw-la pa●cioribus_fw-la verbis_fw-la tempore_fw-la à_fw-la ●eipso_fw-la posite_fw-la expect_v abit_fw-la dignitatis_fw-la vestrae_fw-la observantissi●●_n joannes_n tomb_n londini_fw-la ●●dibus_fw-la recto●is_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la 〈◊〉_d church_n 〈…〉_z august●●●4_n 1644._o though_o the_o answer_n be_v no_o other_o than_o a_o reference_n of_o i_o to_o the_o book_n i_o may_v meet_v with_o in_o stationer_n shop_n yet_o i_o conceive_v this_o advantage_n i_o have_v by_o it_o that_o what_o i_o find_v in_o book_n extant_a may_v be_v the_o more_o safe_o rely_v on_o and_o that_o my_o diligence_n to_o discover_v the_o truth_n will_v be_v the_o more_o apparent_a for_o which_o i_o deny_v myself_o rest_v write_n and_o without_o recompense_n from_o man_n lay_v out_o more_o than_o my_o estate_n can_v bear_v but_o m._n mar._n seem_v ready_a to_o catch_v at_o any_o thing_n that_o may_v make_v i_o suspect_v and_o so_o bring_v my_o writing_n out_o of_o credit_n &_o p._n 78._o of_o his_o defence_n thus_o he_o speak_v i_o be_o misinform_v by_o good_a friend_n who_o know_v &_o love_v you_o very_o well_o if_o yourself_o incline_v not_o this_o way_n to_o baptize_v any_o whether_o turk_n or_o heathen_n who_o only_o will_v make_v a_o profession_n of_o their_o faith_n in_o jesus_n christ_n &_o then_o admit_v they_o to_o all_o other_o ordinance_n &_o not_o have_v they_o excommunicate_v à_fw-la sacris_fw-la but_o only_o à_fw-la privato_fw-la consortio_fw-la though_o their_o life_n shall_v prove_v scandalous_a to_o which_o i_o say_v that_o i_o deny_v not_o but_o that_o in_o private_a conference_n lament_v the_o sad_a condition_n of_o these_o nation_n that_o be_v likely_a to_o cut_v one_o another_o throat_n about_o the_o difference_n between_o presbyterian_o &_o independent_o i_o have_v say_v that_o i_o doubt_v whether_o ever_o excommunication_n à_fw-la sacris_fw-la or_o the_o presbyterian_a or_o independent_a ecclesiastical_a government_n will_v be_v prove_v to_o be_v jure_fw-la divino_fw-la by_o christ_n appointment_n and_o i_o confess_v that_o i_o take_v it_o to_o be_v but_o a_o matter_n of_o prudence_n whether_o each_o congregation_n have_v its_o complete_a power_n and_o order_n within_o itself_o or_o that_o it_o be_v order_v in_o some_o thing_n by_o a_o assembly_n of_o select_a person_n out_o of_o divers_a congregation_n and_o whether_o congregation_n and_o pastor_n be_v fix_v or_o unfixed_a and_o i_o doubt_v whether_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n matth._n 16._o 19_o be_v any_o other_o then_o doctrinal_a whither_o matth._n 18_o 15_o 16_o 17_o 18._o contain_v