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A93286 Sions charity towards her foes in misery. In a dialogue betweene a citizen of London, and a country-gentleman, concerning the offenders of these times. 1641 (1641) Wing S3869; Thomason E158_13; ESTC R14132 5,750 12

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SIONS CHARITY TOWARDS HER Foes in misery IN A DIALOGVE BEtweene a Citizen of LONDON and a Country-Gentleman concerning the Offenders of these times Mat. 7.1 Iudge not that ye be not Iudged 1 Cor. 13.6 Charity reioyceth not in iniquity but reioyceth in the truth Repint London Printed by R. H. for I. D. 1641. SIONS CHARITY GEntleman Well overtaken Sir Citizen You are very welcome Sir Gent. I pray you Sir how far travaile you this way Citt. As far as Nottingham if the Lord permit Gent. And whence come you Sir I pray you Citt. From London Sir Cent. Indeed I thought by your habit you were a Citizen of London and to tell you truly I am glad I met with you for that I much desire to heare what newes at London this Parliament time therefore if I can intreat so much favour at your hands as to accept of my company a mile or two of your way and to relate unto me some of your newes at London I shall thinke my self much bounden unto you Citt. Sir you seeme to be an honest grave countrey Gentleman and therefore your company to me is very acceptable and I should be glad that you had further to goe on in my way and shall be willing to pleasure you in telling you any newes I know at London Gent. Sir I thanke you very kindly and first of all I pray you tell me is the Parliament like to sit still and not be dissolved Citt. Yea I make no doubt of it for thankes be to the Lord there is an Act for that purpose Gent. Blessed be the Lord for it I rejoyce to heare it assuring my self if they sit without disturbance they will amend many things that are amiss both in the Church and Common-wealth Citt. God grant it say I for in my judgement there is great need Gent. Yea doubtlesse and I pray you Sir what heare you concerning those that have been the troublers of this our Israel Citt. Concerning them this I say for certaine that some of them are fled and one is dead and others are yet alive Gent. And who be they I pray you that are fled Citt. Finch Windebank and divers of that wretched crew whose names I cannot now remember Gent. And who is he I pray you that is dead Citt. The Deputy of Ireland that traiterous wretch and murdering caitife Gent. And who are they I pray you that are yet alive Citt. Great Belzebub that Prince of devils who though he is fast chained up in the Tower yet many others of his infernall Spirits are yet at liberty Gent. Sir by your favour I must make bold to tell you before we proceed any further tha I thinke you doe very ill in giving them such titles you seeme by your civill habit to be a man professing the feare of God and therefore I thinke it meet for mee to tell you that these are unchristian like speeches Citt. Why Sir I pray you can a man speake too ill of them that have been enemies to all righteousnesse Acts 13.8 did not the Apostle Paul call Elimas the Sorcerer as ill as I call them * Gent. It is very true indeed the Apostle Paul called him as ill yet doubtlesse it is not lawfull for you to follow his example therein except you bee full of the holy Ghost as the Text saith Paul was and thereby was able to discerne him to be the childe of the devill and besides as I hope you know our best Divines * M. Dent. doe forbid us to speake evill either of them that are absent or of the dead yea Tit. 2.2 the Apostle Paul goes further speake evill of no man Citt. But if you were in London you should not only heare bad men but also many good men speak as ill of them as I have done yea you shall see divers writings yea and Bookes printed lying on many Booksellers Stals to be sold that give them as bad language as I have done Gent. The more is the pitty I am sorry to heare it being assured that this is not the language of Canaan which every Christian ought to speake Doe you not remember the Apostle Iude writes that when Michael the Archangell strove against the devill and disputed about the body of Moses durst not blame him with cursed speaking or give him any railing accusation but only said the Lord rebuke thee and to tell you truly though I my selfe be one whom they call a Professor yet doe I utterly dislike this disposition which I have observed in many who are called by that name in uttering such bitter words against grosse offenders and much more if they write or print Bookes in that nature to tell you truly I like not such Satyricall spirits Citt. Why but Sir by your favour I conceive that such Bookes doe much good for first thereby it is possible that such as have offended may come to see their offence thereby and so be brought to shame and afterwards to repentance and then secondly hereby it is made apparant to the world what they are and so they come to be detested and at last cut off from troubling this our Israel as one is and I hope more will follow Gent. Sir I pray you conceive that it is not the matter of such Bookes that I doe simply condemne but the manner or stile of them for I conceive if such matter as is in some of them were composed after a sober pittifull and Christian-like manner without tart or bitter speeches then it were possible they might be a meanes to worke shame and repentance in the hearts of offendors Let the sin bee shamed rather then the sinner the particulars offensive then the persons offending saith a godly man but this tart manner spoiles all for first it makes the offendors conceive that the authors and approvers of them doe hate their persons and so speake out of malice or desire of revenge and so by that meanes they doe but exasperate them or harden them and rather keep them from repentance then bring them unto it and besides without Gods preventing grace they will occasion the readers or hearers of them either to hate their persons or jeere them or both it is a most intemperate zeale * M. By field saith a godly Divine that spends it selfe in the vain and bootlesse censure of the estate of those that are without those censures have in them much of provocation and nothing of edification it were happy for some Christians if they could with the Apotle say often to their own soules 1 Cor. 5.12 13. what have I to doe to judge them that are without Citt. Well Sir one thing I can assure you of upon my own knowledge that the printing and selling of such Bookes hath been a meanes to help many a poore man in London these dead times of trading Gent. That may be indeed and yet the Bookes never the more lawfull or warrantable for that you know wee must not doe evill