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An answer to a brief discourse concerning singing in the publick worship of God in the Gospel-church, by I. M. 1690
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Knollys, Hanserd, 1599?-1691.
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written in the second Psalm Thou art my Son this day have I begotten thee You cannot shew where the word Psalms are understood of any other but only David's Psalms called The Book of Psalms But you having no Scripture against Singing of David's Psalms do seem to reason and argue against singing of them first because the Church of Christ is now in a Wilderness-condition and in a mourning Sackcloth-state p. 12. l. 13 21. But the Wilderness-state of the Church under the Gospel Isa 52.7 8 9. How beautiful upon the Mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tydings that publisheth peace that bringeth good tydings of good that publisheth salvation that saith unto Zion Thy God reigneth Thy Watchmen shall lift up the voice with the voice together shall they sing for they shall see eye to eye when the Lord shall bring again Zion Break forth into joy sing together ye waste places of Jerusalem for the Lord hath comforted his people he hath redeemed Jerusalem should not hinder the Churches and Servants of God to sing Psalms Hymns and Spiritual Songs making Melody in their Hearts to the Lord Was not Christ and his Disciples in a mourning condition the same night out Blessed Saviour was betray'd yet they sung an Hymn Mat. 26.30 Mark 14.26 Was not the Condition of Paul and Silas a Wilderness-condition Act. 16.23 30. And when they had laid many Stripes upon them they cast them into prison charging the Jaylor to keep them safely Who having received such a Charge thrust them into the inner prison and made their feet fast in the stocks And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed and sang praises unto God and the prisoners heard them And suddenly there was a great Earthquake so that the Foundations of the Prison were shaken and immediately all the doors were opened and every ones bands were loosed And the Keeper of the Prison awaking out of his sleep and seeing the Prison-doors open he drew out his Sword and would have killed himself supposing that the Prisoners had been fled But Paul cried with a loud voice saying Do thy self no harm for we are all here Then he called for a light and sprang in and came trembling and fell down before Paul and Silas and brought them out and said Sirs What must I do to be saved Yet they sang Praises to God and God wrought a notable Miracle of Confirmation not only an Earthquake that shaked the Foundations of the Prison opened all the Prison Doors and every one's Bands were loosed and the Keeper of the Prison was terribly affrighted and converted ver 34. You say p. 29. l. 26. The word Sung is not in the Greek But it is there read And they having hymned Which word say you is taken by divers Learned Men to be of a general signification of all kinds of Praises or Thanksgivings and not confined to Songs only Neither do I confine the signification thereof only to Songs Yet Beza translates 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 quum hymnum cecinissent When they had sung an Hymn Screvilius and Hill in their Greek Lexicon translate 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 celebro hymnum cano and learned Dr. Owen upon Heb. 2.12 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which the Learned Translaters do read In the midst of the Church will I sing Praises unto thee hath these words in his Exposition viz. It is declared further first what Christ will moreover do He will sing Praises unto God Secondly where he will do it In the midst of the Congregation or Church So that it is manifested say you from the aforesaid Premises that praising of God is not limitted to Songs of Praise I do not limit the signification of the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 only to Songs neither you nor all the Learned Men and Books in Sion-College can prove that the word signifies the Essence of Singing without the Voice in Heart and Mind only especially Col. 3.16 if a Minister of the Church who hath received a spiritual Gift to sing an Hymn or a spiritual Song do sing in the Church as 1 Cor. 14.15 16 26. What is it then I will pray with the Spirit and I will pray with the Vnderstanding also I will sing with the Spirit and I will sing with the Vnderstanding also Else when thou shalt bless with the Spirit how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of Thanks seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest How is it then Brethren when ye come together every one of you hath a Psalm hath a Doctrin hath a Tongue hath a Revelation hath an Interpretation Let all things be done to edifying may and in my opinion ought to administer his Gift 1 Pet. 4.10 11. As every man hath received the Gift even so minister the same one to another as good stewards of the manifold Grace of God If any man speak let him speak as the Oracles of God if any man minister let him do it as of the ability which God giveth that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ to whom be Praise and Dominion for ever and ever Amen Yet this I confess That those Hymns and Spiritual Songs which they sing in the Spirit and with understanding unto edifying are not those Psalms of David which the Apostle mentions Col. 3.16 as I have proved before Neither will those Ministers or Members of the Churches of Saints that sing Hymns or spiritual Songs affirm or assert that they are David's Psalms Hymns and spiritual Songs Col. 3.16 no nor given them by the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit as the Book of Psalms was And p. 14. l. 10 11 12. you say Some of the Psalms were clear Prophecies of the Sufferings of Christ which to sing now were to deny That Christ is come in the Flesh If this Argument was good it would also follow That to Read those Psalms now was to deny That Christ is come in the Flesh And p. 15. l. 4 5 6 7 8. You say There is no Instance can be given in the New Testament that any of Davids Psalms were ever Sung by any Persons or Churches c. And yet you say affirm and confess That Vocal Singing of Psalms Hymns and Spiritual Songs was practised in those Churches of Ephesus and Coloss p. 5. l. 20 21 22 23. p. 5. l. 1 2 3 4. And you say Vocal Singing was used in the Primitive and Apostolical Church of Christ But Women may not speak in the Church and therefore they may not Sing p. 21. for Singing is Teaching Why do the Churches of Saints require Women to declare the Work of Conversion in the Church Or to bear Witness of the disorderly Walking of any Brother or Sister if they may not speak in the Church Women have the Essence of Singing as well as Men both in their Souls and with their Voices and are allowed to speak by all the Churches of Saints Many other things you have said and many Objections you have Propounded and Answer'd in which I am not willing to shew your Weakness but leave you and others of your Perswasion therein to Consider what I have said and pray that GOD will Convince you of your Errour and make known unto you His Revealed Will in the Holy Scripture of Truth FINIS
AN ANSWER TO A Brief Discourse CONCERNING SINGING In the publick Worship of God IN THE GOSPEL-CHURCH By J. M. 1690. LONDON Printed for the Author H. K. 1691. Beloved Brother THe Apostle James saith Chap. 5. v. 19.20 Brethren if any of you do err from the Truth and one Convert him Let him know that he which Converteth a Sinner from the Errour of his Way shall Save a Soul from Death and shall hide a Multitude of Sins I have read your Little Book which you gave me concerning Singing And now after Prayers to GOD and Serious Consideration of what you have said therein I return you this Brief Answer which I do intreat you to Consider So I remain Your Brother In our Lord JESUS CHRIST H. K. AN ANSWER To a Brief Discourse Concerning Singing c. THE Subject that you intended to treat of expressed in the Title page of your Book is Singing in the Publick Worship of God in the Gospel-Church That is say you pag. 5. lin 1 2 3. The Primitive and Apostolical Church your words are these spiritual and vocal Singing was used in the Primitive and Apostolical Church of Christ is undeniable You also confess in your first 5th pag. lin 28 29 30. That Vocal Singing Coloss 3.16 is there to be understood c. And in your second 5th pag. lin 20 21 22. Intelligible Singing say you for teaching and admonishing others cannot be without the use of the Organical Instruments of the Voice I beseech you my Beloved Brother to consider that Singing in the Publick Worship of God in the Apostle's daies was not only used and practised as you have confessed again and again but Commanded by the Apostle Paul Col. 3.16 where the word Let hath the Force of a Commandment of God as Eph. 4.29 Phil. 1.27 Eph. 5.33 Jam. 5.13 Read the words especially consider what you say concerning Women 1 Cor. 14.34 Let your Women keep silence in the Church And 1 Tim. 2.11 Let the Women learn in silence with all subjection Pag. 21. line 12 13 14 15 16 17. read your own words You say p. 5. lin 5. But the Question is Whether David's Psalms or any Human prescribed or precomposed Matter may or ought not to be vocally sung by all the Church together as part of the publick constant and ordinary Worship of God instituted in his Gospel-Church You had done fairly to have put this your Question in the Title Page of your Book but there is not one word of it there except what you have confessed and granted again and again as I have already noted out of divers Pages of your Book And so I proceed to offer something to your serious consideration about the Essence or Being of Singing Which you say consists in an Inward Spiritual Exercise of the Soul or Mind of Man p. 5. lin 24 25 26. And this must be granted say you No Brother You must not take it for granted until your Reasons or Arguments be examined which you bring to prove it You affirm p. 6. lin 9 10 11 12. That the Scriptures do clearly witness That the Essence of Prayer and Praises and of Sin do all consist in an inward Exercise of the Soul and Spirit And from thence you conclude That the Essence or Being of Singing consists in the inward Spiritual Exercise of the Soul or Mind of Man If you consult with any Logician he can shew you the Weakness of your Consequence in this Argument Now the Essence or Being of Singing in the Church of God unto edifying consists in the Voice as well as in the Soul or Mind of Man Page 16. lin 16 17. you say right pag. 9. lin 9 10. We find in Scripture another kind of Singing 1 Chron. 16.32 33. Psal 65.13 that is the Virtual or Metaphorical Singing of the Creatures But there is no other kind of Singing in the Publick Worship of God in the Gospel-Church unto edifying without the Voice You should have put the Voice into the Essence or Being of this kind of Singing The natural kind of the Singing of Birds and of little Children is not without Voices and Organical Instruments of the Voice You have neither Scripture nor sound Reason for your Opinion about Singing without the Voice unto edifying in the Church of Jesus Christ You bring a Scripture to prove Silent Singing in the Church 1 Cor. 14.26 27 28. All I need to say in answer to what you have said p. 7 8 9. is to shew you that you are mistaken in the Mind of Christ and his Apostle in that Scripture The Apostle mentioneth divers Gifts ver 26. a Psalm a Doctrin a Tongue a Revelation an Interpretation Then he exhorted them saying Let all things be done to edifying and ver 27. If any Man speak in an unknown Tongue let it be by two or at most by three and that by course and let one interpret but if there be no Interpreter let him keep Silence in the Church What is this to silent Singing in the Church any more than if you had brought it to justifie the silent Meetings of them called Quakers Then p. 8. l. 20 21 c. say you What can be more plain than that Singing and other Gifts of the Holy Spirit have their Essences in our Spirits wherein we are capable of worshipping God acceptably without the verbal and vocal Instruments of the Body O my Brother I know you are not one of them that approve of silent Meetings who supposing that they have a Light within them whereby they are capable to worship God acceptably without his Gospel-Ordinances of Baptism the Lord's Supper and Singing without verbal and vocal Instruments in their Silent Meetings In a word This unsound Opinion of yours will lead you and others of the same mind into some Erroneous Principles of them called Seekers Quakers and such as are for Non-Churches if God do not prevent by his Holy Spirit and Grace or restrain The next Particular you treat of is David's Psalms p. 9 to p. 15. where you labour to prove That David's Psalms ought not to be sung in the Churches of Christ in the days of the Gospel I have proved that the Apostle Paul commanded the Saints and Faithful Brethren in Christ Col. 1.2 to sing Psalms Col. 3.16 that is David 's Psalms Read those Scriptures Luk. 20.42 24.44 And David himself saith in the Book of Psalms The Lord said unto my Lord sit thou on my right hand And he said unto them These are the words which I spake unto you while I was yet with you that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and in the Psalms concerning me Acts 1.20 13.33 For it is written in the book of Psalms Let his habitation be desolate and let no man dwell therein and his Bishoprick let another take God hath fulfilled the same unto us their Children in that he hath raised up Jesus again as it is also