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A54035	The flesh & blood of Christ, both in the mystery and in the outward briefly, plainly, and uprightly acknowledged and testified to, for the satisfaction and benefit of the tender-hearted, who desire to experience the quickning, healing, and cleansing vertue of it : with A brief account concerning the people called Quakers in reference both to principle and doctrine : whereunto are added some few other things which by the blessing of God may be experimentally found useful to the true pilgrim and faithful travellers out of the nature & spirit of this world / written in true love and tenderness of spirit by Isaac Penington.	Penington, Isaac, 1616-1679.; Hicks, Thomas, 17th cent. Continuation of the dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker.	1675 (1675)	Wing P1168; ESTC R7890	24,794	63

maketh his personated Quaker speak thus Thou sayest we account the blood of Christ no more than a common thing yea no more than the blood of a common Thief To which he makes his personated Christian answer thus Isaac Penington who I suppose is an approved Quaker asks this question can outward blood cleanse Therefore saith he we must enquire whether it was the blood of the Vail that is of the humane nature or the blood within the Vail viz. Of that spiritual man consisting of Flesh Blood and Bones which took on him the Vail or humane Nature 't is not the blood of the Vail that is but outward and can outward blood cleanse Now to satisfie any that desire to understand the Truth as it is and to know what the intent of my heart and words as spoken by me were I shall first say somewhat to his stating the question and then open my heart nakedly and plainly as it then was and still is in this matter First I answer these were not my words which he hath set down as mine but words of his own patching up partly out of several queries of mine and partly out of his own conceivings upon my queries as if he intended to make me appear both ridiculous and wicked at once For I no where say or affirm or did ever believe that Christ is a spiritual man consisting of Flesh Blood and Bones which took on him the Vail or humane Nature Thus he represents me as ridiculous It is true Christ inwardly or to his inward being was a Spirit or God blessed for ever manifested in Flesh which to speak properly cannot have Flesh Blood and Bones as man hath And then besides his alterations at the beginning putting in only four words of my query and leaving out that which next follows which might have manifested my drift and intent in them he puts in an affirmation which was not mine in these his own words 'T is not the Blood of the Vail that is but outward and then annexeth to this affirmation of his own the words of my former query Can outward Blood cleanse as if these words of mine can outward Blood cleanse did necessarily infer that the Blood of Christ is but a common thing Herein he represents me wicked and makes me speak by his changing and adding that which never was in my heart and the contrary whereto I have several times affirmed in that very Book where those several queries were put out of which he forms this his own query giving it forth in my name For in the Tenth page of that Book beginning at line 3. I positively affirm thus that Christ did offer up the Flesh and Blood of that body though not only so for he poured out his Soul he poured out his life a Sacrifice or Offering for sin a Sacrifice unto the Father and in it tasted death for every man and that it is upon consideration and through Gods acceptance of this Sacrifice for sin that the sins of Believers are pardoned that God might be just and the justifier of him who believeth in Jesus or who is of the Faith of Jesus Is this common Flesh and Blood can this be affirmed of common Flesh and Blood ought not he to have considered this and other passages in my Book of the same tendency and not thus have reproached me and misrepresented me to the world Is this a Christian Spirit or according to the Law or Prophets or Christs Doctrine Doth he herein do as he would be done by O that he had an heart to consider it I might also except against those words Humane Nature which he twice putteth in being not my words nor indeed my sense for by humane Nature as I judge is understood more than the body whereas I by the word Vail intended no more than the Flesh or outward body which in Scripture is expresly so called Heb. 10.20 through the Vail that is to say his Flesh Secondly I cannot but take notice of this That he hath not cited the place page or pages nay not so much as named the Book where those words or sayings which he attributeth to me are written whereby any persons that were not willing to take things upon bare Report especially in so deep charges reflecting not only upon one person but an whole people might consult the place and see whether they were my words or no and whether the queries I did put indeed to the hearts of people had any such drift or no and might compare the words if they were mine both with what went before and also followed after and with what was said in several other places of the Book which speak of Christ's Flesh and Blood as of no common thing but as that which God made use of toward the Redemption of Mankind Thirdly The drift of all those Queries in that Book was not to vilifie the Flesh and Blood of Christ by representing it as a common or useless thing but to bring people from sticking in the outward to a sense of the inward mystery without which inward sense and feeling the magnifying and crying up the outward doth not avail Indeed at that time I was in a great exercise concerning Professors Love was deeply working in my heart and I was in a very tender frame of Spirit towards them as any may perceive who in the fear of God and in meekness of Spirit shall read that Book It is Entituled A question to the Professors of Christianity whether they have the true living powerful saving knowledge of Christ or no c. And in this tender frame in the midst of my crying to God for them those Queries from a true sense and understanding sprang up in my heart even to necessitate them if possible to some sense of the mystery which there is an absolute necessity of unto true Christianity and Salvation This was the very intent of my heart in the several Queries which generally speak of one and the same thing under several Metaphors and Figures And that this was my intent these words following in the second page of my Preface to that Book do plainly express the words are these Now to draw mens minds to a sense of truth to a sense of that which is the thing that they might know the Bread indeed that they might know the living waters come to them and drink thereof and find Christ in them a Well of water springing up to eternal life therefore was it in my heart to give forth this Question and the ensuing Queries which he that rightly answers must know the thing and he that doth not know the thing by his inability to answer may find that he doth not and so may wait upon God that he may receive the knowledge of it and come to it for the eternal life which it freely giveth And that I did mean the mystery when I speak of Bread Water the Vine the live-coal from the Altar the leaves of the Tree of life the

THE FLESH BLOOD OF CHRIST BOTH In the Mystery and in the outward briefly plainly and uprightly acknowledged and testified to for the satisfaction and benefit of the tender-hearted who desire to experience the quickning healing and cleansing vertue of it With a Brief Account concerning the People called Quakers in reference both to Principle and Doctrine Whereunto are added some few other things which by the blessing of God may be experimentally found useful to the true Pilgrims and faithful Travellers out of the nature spirit of this World Written in true love and tenderness of Spirit by Isaac Penington And without Controversie great is the Mystery of Godliness God was manifest in the Flesh justified in the Spirit seen of Angels Preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the World received up into glory 1 Tim. 3.16 Of whom are the Fathers and of whom concerning the Flesh Christ came who is over all God blessed for ever Amen Rom. 9.5 Printed in the Year 1675. THE PREFACE HAving been lately at London upon occasion of a Meeting between some of the People called Quakers and some of the People called Anabaptists and other Confederates wherein I was somewhat concerned being charged or brought in by Thomas Hicks in his Second Book of Dialogues called Continuation page 4. To prove that the Quakers account the blood of Christ no more than a common thing And having been at that Meeting to clear my Innocency in that particular but the thing not then coming in question and I being to return to my Habitation in the Country though I staid also a Second Meeting for that purpose it was on my heart in the clearness and Innocency thereof to give forth this Testimony to take of that untruth and calumny of T. H. both from the People called Quakers and my self being both of us greatly therein injured as the Lord God of Heaven and Earth knoweth I have had experience of that despised People for many years and I have often heard them even the ancient ones of them own Christ both inwardly and outwardly Yea I heard one of the ancients of them thus testifie in a publick-Meeting many years since that if Christ had not come in the Flesh in the fulness of time to bear our Sins in his own body on the Tree and to offer himself up a Sacrifice for mankind all mankind had utterly perished What cause then have we to praise the Lord God for sending his Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for what his Son did therein O Professors do not pervert our words by reading them with a prejudiced mind quite contrary to the drift of Gods Spirit by us If ye should thus read the Holy Scriptures yea the very words of Christ himself therein and give that wisdom of yours which fights against us scope to comment upon them and pervert them after this manner what a strange and hideous appearance of untruth and contradiction to the very Scriptures of the old Testament might ye make of that wonderful appearance of God For the words of Christ seemed so foolish impossible to the wise men of that Age that they freequently contradicted and sometimes derided him If we be not of God we shall come to nought nay we had not stood to this day if his mighty power had not upheld us We could not have stood inwardly nor could we have stood outwardly against the fierce assaults we have met with both wayes And as we have not had by-ends to move us inwardly so neither have we had by-ends to move us outwardly as our God knoweth O T. H. dost thou believe the eternal judgment at the great day not outwardly only in notion but inwardly in heart O then consider how wilt thou answer it to God for saying so many things in the name of a People as their belief and words which never were spoken by any one of them nor ever came into any of their hearts Innocency in me life in me truth in me the Christian Spirit and Nature in me is a witness against thee that thou wrotest thy Dialogues out of the Christian Nature and Spirit and thy Brethren William Kiffin and the rest who have stood by thee to justifie thee or at least seemed so to do must take notice of these things and condemn them in thee or they will expose themselves and their Religion to the Righteous judgment of God and of all who love Truth and hate Forgery and Deceit I pity thee yea I can truly say I forgive thee the injury thou hast done me though indeed it is very great thus to represent me publickly what thou couldst not have done if thou hadst equally considered the things written in that Book and I also desire that thou mayest be sensible of what thou hast so evilly done and confess it before God that he also might forgive thee O I would not bear the weight of this Sin at the Judgment seat of Christ for Ten thousand Worlds And that these Books should be so long publick and thy Brethren take no notice of them but rather at last apply themselves to justifie thee O how will they answer this thing when they come to answer it for ever Oh what will ye set up an interest against our Lord Christ who is the Truth and teacheth Truth and bend all your strength and understanding to make lies falshoods and forgeries to appear as if they were Truth and not forgeries If ye will judge your selves and repent of these things ye shall not be condemned of the Lord but if ye will go on to cover and hide this great iniquity ye shall not prosper therein As for my particular I had committed my cause to the Lord and intended to have been wholly silent knowing my Innocency will be cleared by him in this particular at the great day and the love truth and uprightness wherein I wrote those things owned by him But in the love of God and in the stilness and tenderness of my Spirit I was moved by him to write what follows And Oh that it would please the Lord to make it serviceable even to T. H. himself for his good J. P. The CONTENTS 1. The Preface Relating the occasion of what follows page 3 2. The Flesh and Blood of Christ both in the Mystery and in the outward c. page 1 3. The Conclusion of the first part p. 19 4. A brief Account concerning the People called Quakers in reference both to Principle and Doctrine p. 23 5. A few words concerning the way of Peace p. 33 6. The Conclusion of the whole p. 37 7. A Post-Script containing 1. A few words concerning the doings and sufferings of this despised People called Quakers p. 41 2. An Exhortation to true Christianity p. 49. THE FLESH BLOOD OF CHRIST Both in the Mystery and in the Outward briefly plainly and uprightly acknowledged and testified to c. IN the Second part of Thomas Hicks his Dialogues called Continuation page 4. He