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mr._n p._n be_v the_o only_a cause_n if_o that_o be_v the_o fault_n let_v the_o expression_n be_v alter_v and_o in_o stead_n of_o the_o only_a cause_n what_o if_o they_o say_v the_o principal_a cause_n will_v that_o please_v he_o no_o mr._n d._n contradict_v they_o in_o confess_v the_o classis_fw-la to_o be_v so_o strong_a a_o cause_n thereof_o but_o this_o be_v no_o contradiction_n to_o that_o say_n that_o he_o be_v the_o principal_a cause_n for_o the_o concur_v of_o diverse_a cause_n to_o the_o produce_v of_o one_o effect_n do_v not_o destroy_v but_o suppose_v a_o due_a subordination_n of_o cause_n so_o that_o the_o effect_n may_v be_v ascribe_v to_o either_o proper_o yet_o to_o the_o principal_a efficient_a primary_o and_o secondary_o to_o the_o instrument_n as_o if_o one_o man_n cut_v another_o with_o a_o
quaere_fw-la who_o incite_v the_o dutch_a preacher_n and_o after_o they_o the_o magistrate_n to_o insist_v upon_o those_o difficultye_n to_o the_o deprive_v of_o the_o church_n of_o such_o a_o man_n 3._o quaere_fw-la whether_o the_o church_n be_v satisfy_v with_o that_o which_o the_o answerer_n tell_v they_o be_v do_v in_o this_o buisenes_n or_o whether_o diverse_a of_o they_o do_v not_o entreat_v he_o to_o try_v once_o more_o and_o what_o his_o answer_n be_v ans_fw-fr 3_o as_o for_o the_o exception_n that_o this_o complaint_n be_v a_o rake_n into_o a_o buisenes_n that_o fall_v out_o 20_o year_n past_a and_o if_o they_o be_v deal_n for_o 20_o year_n together_o etc._n etc._n 28._o reply_n p._n 28._o 1._o if_o this_o be_v a_o fault_n in_o the_o complainants_n to_o rake_v into_o matter_n 20_o year_n past_o concern_v he_o yet_o he_o be_v unfit_a to_o reprove_v it_o who_o in_o the_o very_a next_o page_n rake_v into_o a_o buisenes_n concern_v mr._n f._n about_o 30_o year_n past_a 1605._o 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