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A30543	Something of truth made manifest (in relation to a dispute at Draton in the county of Middlesex in the first moneth last) in opposition to the false account given of it by one Philip Traverner, in his book styled the Quakers-rounds, or, A faithfull account, &c. / and this is written ... by E.B.	Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662.	1658 (1658)	Wing B6026; ESTC R22012	18,268	26

divers of us at that meeting which is not particularly related which definition of our justification they could not except against for we never were nor are ashamed to declare what we hold concerning justification which is through faith in the blood of Christ the seed of the Covenant and though at that time they made much jangling yet to no purpose as to convince us of any errour or any sober men there present of any errour in us as concerning that thing And whereas it is related as if I should say We are men brought up at plow-tayle and understand not Scholar like terms my words were not thus spoken but upon the occasion of their speaking words which is not in Scripture-language as inherent righteousnesse for such like Whereupon I desired them to keep to the form of sound words and of Scripture-language that people might understand what they spoke For said I ye are Scholers as ye professe and some of us were brought up at Plow or Cart and may be doth not understand Scholar-like termes though I did not meane all of us and what some of us do understand as to that I shall not now speak yet this I say the least of us doth understand betwixt truth and error and between that which is righteous and that which is unrighteous and in that is more peace then in the knowledge of Arts or Tongues and our knowledge in that is dung and losse in comparison of the other And as to Justification upon which subject we contended a long time though they foolishly charged us with it we do deny utterly the works of man and the works of mans righteousnesse as in relation to our justification and that it is only and wholly by grace and gift of God and the righteousnesse of Christ who is revealed in all that believe in him by which justification comes yet say we that faith without works is dead and will not justifie a man but by that faith which brings forth works even the works of God in us and through us by that faith are we justified and according to the Apostles words so we believe not by works of righteousnesse which we have done nor by a dead faith without works but by a living faith which worketh in us are we justified Let vain men deduct what they may this is truth in the sight of the Lord and all men These indeed are the particulars upon which the Controversie depended and having been some hours together they were willing to depart and R. G. would give little hearing to me when I charged him with something uttered by him at divers times in my hearing which I should have proved to be unsound doctrine and error had he had that patience to have stayed and whereas P. T. doth speak of having a Pope in our bellies with such like scornful words which a discreet man would not have defiled his mouth withal but that he must shew himself to be of the generation of Priests who persecuted the innocent in every age and for his telling of our error and recovering of our feet out of the snare and delivering us from the delusion its true his words stands but upon a supposition and that supposition stands upon the report of others as he seems to intimate which is but a thing far off true credit for what error and snares and delusion did P. T. convince us of in five hours discourse not any at all but the rather was forced to confess to the most part of what we delivered then what need was there to utter these his words in writing as if he had heard some great matter of delusion or error but all these his words I do bear and if he hath harboured such thoughts of us as it appears too much by his words let him cleanse his heart by repentance lest his intended evil bruise his own head And whereas he hath commented upon a book called a Standerd lifted up which book I own and that which is therein written and himself is forced to own what himself objects against and comments upon if saith he E. B. mean so and so then his words are truth but if so and so then it is Pope like or such like Alas poor man must I be judged upon thy own meaning nay or must thy interpretation be the judge upon my words We have no such law my words stands true as I have laid them down to be received by such as are spiritual and such as loves to raise constructions falsely where there is no just ground their judgement I do deny and charity will teach P. T. to judge upon the best sence and so let him own my words as truth and judge himself for his false construction of true and upright words onely this I take notice of saith P. T. A perfect conformity to the Law of God in our own persons though not wrought in our own strength but in the strength and power of grace the spirit working all in us and for us is no other then the righteousness of the Law I need not much strive to confound this black doctrine by many arguments or multitude of words for the thing as laid down in his own words is vile and abominable to the understanding of any spiritual man for say I if it be the spirit working in us and for us not in our own strength then is it God that worketh in us both to will and to do and the fulfilling of the righteousness of the Law in us and not the righteousness of the Law wrought by us and if it be in the strength and power of grace not in our own strength then it is the work of Christ in us and the work of Gods own righteousness in us and any man that knows the least of God in truth will witness to this and against his imagined doctrine held forth by P. T. I might demand a proof of him from Scripture where it is said or signified that the working of the spirit all in us and for us and the working of the power of grace in the creature is reckoned to be our own righteousness the righteousness of the Law and my words stands true from which he draws his false consequences and layes down his dark assertions and my own words I do own which are such as are taught by Christ and guided by him in all the wayes of righteousness are justified by him and none else not in any word or work whatsoever but in what they are led to fulfil by him and in these words there is neither contradiction nor unsoundnesse though he hath ignorantly charged them with both but the words shall stand for a testimony against him and all his false deductions and he and all shall know that God justifies the righteous and condemns the wicked and that it is the new man that is justified and not the old and let righteous men judge what can be in such a mans heart who can draw so bad

SOMETHING OF TRUTH MADE MANIFEST In Relation to a Dispute at Draton in the County of Middlesex in the first Moneth last in opposition to the false account given of it by one Philip Taverner in his BOOK styled the QVAKERS-ROVNDS OR A Faithfull Account c. And this is written for the Truths sake by E. B. LONDON Printed for Thomas Simmons at the Bull and Mouth neer Aldersgate 1658. FOrasmuch as one who hath I suppose ambitiously stiled himselfe Mr. Philip Taverner hath taken in hand to set forth to the view of the world an account relation of a dispute happening in the 11. moneth last at Draton neer Colebrook to which relation I am a little engaged to write somthing by way of answer thereunto that all people may know the truth and being the truth is somewhat concerned herein that is the reason wherefore I have taken in hand to write a little by way of answer to his relation being without any prejudice towards the man as concerning any wrong he hath done to me though me as well as the truth he hath wronged as may appeare to such who desire to know the truth It 's true a publique dispute I had the time and place mentioned with a company of Priests and this same Philip Taverner was one of them and the occasion of the Dispute was thus I being a few weeks before at a meeting with some friends in the said Towne one Richard Goodgroom in his relation mentioned was present at the hearing of what was spoken but at that time did not object any thing though afterwards in London and other places he went up and down in a backbiting manner and gave forth that I had held forth blasphemous Doctrine or the like whereupon I much desired a dispute for the tryall of those things and it was accomplished and that day the truth was much made manifest and deceit consounded and as to all the things objected agauist me by R. G. which he would have seemed to have taken great occasion thereby as if some great matter of heresie and errour had been uttered by me I say the very truth of all these things was demonstrated according as I had laid them down and his arguments against them made of none effect and though such as hardned their hearts might go unfatisfied and in greater unbelief then they came yet I am sure the upright-hearted and such as desired the knowledge of the truth were wholly satisfied and this many can give testimony of with me And though by his relation it may appear otherwise to some yet wherein he hath related falsly it shall fall upon his own head and his folly shall truly more appear in the end then he would have or seem to cause any in me to appear at this present and so he might with more credit to himself been silent then to have medled in that wherein he hath shewed himself so imperfect For I believe that this same Philip Taverner hath given a relation of four times as much as he did speak at that meeting and have related as though he spake that which he never uttered by so miny times so much as I have said and have not related so much by many times as was spoken by me and by them of my part as many may witnesse which work of his seems not to be perfect neither yet altogether honest as sober men may judge but such a thing must redownd more to his own dishonour then to the truths disadvantage And first as to the Title of his false relation which is stiled The Quakers Rounds or a faithfull Account c. To this I answer that the very Frontispiece and Title of his Book savours of a vain light scornfull spirit and so every spiritual man may judge of it to be so but why dost thou P. T. say a faithfull account but that to confirme falshood with audacious words having a shew of confidence upon it thereby the more easily to enter into the hearts of the people as if it were irreproveable coming also from the hand and under the hand of a Mr. Philip c. having so stiled thy self to make thy fame great and to publish thy work under a seeming authority but hadst thou had more humility lesse pride would have appeared and hadst thou had a better heart lesse of unfaithfull dealing would have proceeded from thee but as I have said evill shall fall upon himselfe that hatcheth it for another but why dost thou say Faithful Account in the Title page signifying to the world that all in it is true and nothing of truth wanting in relation to that Dispute and yet in thy Epistle saith thou dost not undertake to set down the multitude of words that that day was filled withal and page 29. saith that a third man of the company made a large discourse concerning the person justified but relates not one word what was said by him and here thou hast not dealt faithfully nor given a faithful account And page 31. thou saith E. B. at such a time did multiply many words but doth not relate his particular words and so hath not in this dealt faithfully nor given a faithful account and also in many other things thou hast not related what was spoken at all and thus thou hast contradicted thy self in saying a faithfull account and yet consessing in effect unfaithfulnesse And thy own words being compared together proves a contradiction in thy own minde and pen for to give a faithfull account as thou saist thou hast is to relate the whole truth and not to keep any back neither to speak more then the truth by adding thereto any thing But again thou saist thou undertak'st not to relate the multitude or every particular of words neither doth relate what particular words such a one and such a one spake but saith he said so and multiplyed many words not saying what his words were and therefore thou hast heaped a contradiction upon thy own head and it shall remain till it have made thee ashamed And now as to the particulars upon which the Dispute depended so far as they are truly laid down in my words and in my intent and meaning I am ready to justifie them at any place or time convenient or before any Auditory whatsoever upon lawfull occasion but as thou hast laid them down or some of them thou hast wronged me and the truth and either not understood my meaning or subverted and perverted my words to thy own advantage And whereas in the Epistle thou saist I would not owne them viz the particulars laid down to be mine at first and yet owned every one of them in the discourse c. Answ. I did not own them but how and how did I own them but thus the Objector had laid down some of the particulars not in my words which made them vary from the intent of my meaning and others of the particulars he had laid down utterly false and so I did