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b._n the_o second_o proposition_n to_o be_v prove_v be_v 〈…〉_z israelite_n child_n be_v 〈◊〉_d of_o â—he_n universal_a visible_a church_n of_o christ_n as_o well_o â—s_a â—â—_o the_o congregation_n of_o israel_n but_o this_o you_o do_v heretofore_o acknowledge_v and_o therefore_o i_o suppose_v will_v not_o now_o deny_v i_o suppose_v it_o past_a controversy_n between_o we_o 1._o that_o christ_n have_v then_o a_o church_n on_o earth_n as_o abraham_n see_v christ_n day_n and_o rejoice_v and_o moses_n suffer_v the_o reproach_n of_o christ_n heb._n 11.26_o and_o the_o prophet_n inquire_v of_o the_o salvation_n by_o christ_n and_o search_v diligent_o and_o prophesy_v of_o the_o grace_n to_o come_v and_o it_o be_v the_o spirit_n of_o christ_n which_o be_v in_o those_o prophet_n signify_v the_o time_n and_o testify_v beforehand_o the_o suffering_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o glory_n that_o shall_v follow_v 1_o pet._n 1.10_o 11._o so_o be_v they_o part_v of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n and_o 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particular_a church_n be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o universal_a yet_o it_o follow_v not_o which_o mr._n b._n drive_v at_o and_o vain_o talk_v of_o his_o prove_v that_o every_o one_o who_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n in_o that_o he_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o jewish_a church_n particular_a be_v a_o visible_a member_n of_o every_o particular_a visible_a church_n of_o christ_n 2._o nor_o that_o every_o one_o that_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n in_o that_o he_o be_v a_o member_n of_o a_o visible_a particular_a church_n of_o christ_n be_v a_o visible_a member_n of_o the_o jewish_a particular_a church_n etc._n etc._n reply_n 1._o none_o of_o this_o ever_o come_v into_o my_o thought_n which_o he_o untrue_o say_v i_o drive_v at_o etc._n etc._n what_o sober_a man_n can_v imagine_v either_o of_o these_o assertion_n what_o pitiful_a abuse_n of_o ignorant_a reader_n be_v this_o 2._o and_o what_o a_o poor_a put_v off_o to_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n that_o which_o i_o say_v be_v but_o that_o all_o particular_a visible_a church_n and_o member_n make_v up_o one_o visible_a universal_a church_n and_o therefore_o every_o visible_a member_n of_o any_o particular_a church_n be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o universal_a he_o dare_v not_o deny_v this_o and_o yet_o a_o slander_n serve_v his_o turn_n sect_n xii_o r._n b._n concern_v the_o matter_n of_o the_o three_o question_n i_o assert_v that_o it_o be_v not_o only_o of_o the_o jew_n commonwealth_n that_o infant_n werâ—_n member_n but_o of_o the_o church_n distinct_a from_o it_o this_o be_v prove_v sufficient_o in_o what_o be_v say_v before_o mr._n it_o be_v answer_n as_o yet_o i_o find_v it_o not_o prove_v that_o the_o jewish_a church_n be_v distinct_a from_o the_o commonwealth_n or_o that_o there_o be_v not_o any_o member_n of_o the_o church_n who_o be_v not_o of_o thâ—_n commonwealth_n reply_n 1._o it_o be_v only_o a_o formal_a and_o not_o a_o material_a distinction_n that_o i_o meddle_v with_o the_o formal_a reason_n of_o a_o church-member_n and_o a_o civil-member_n differ_v at_o least_o after_o the_o choice_n of_o king_n when_o the_o republic_n be_v constitute_v by_o a_o humane_a head_n of_o which_o i_o refer_v the_o reader_n to_o mr._n galuspie_n aaron_n rod_n if_o the_o jew_n commonwealth_n be_v specify_v as_o a_o theocracy_n from_o god_n the_o sovereign_n the_o sichemite_n be_v of_o it_o and_o other_o nation_n may_v 2._o but_o many_o say_v that_o some_o be_v of_o the_o commonwealth_n that_o be_v not_o of_o the_o church_n though_o not_o contrary_o and_o be_v they_o distinct_a or_o not_o it_o suffice_v i_o that_o infant_n be_v of_o the_o church_n sect_n xiii_o fourteen_o xv_o xvi_o r._n b._n moreover_o 1._o infant_n be_v church-member_n in_o abraham_n family_n before_o circumcision_n and_o after_o when_o it_o be_v no_o commonwealth_n so_o they_o be_v in_o isaac_n jacob_n etc._n etc._n 2._o the_o banish_a captivate_v scatter_v jew_n that_o cease_v to_o be_v member_n of_o their_o commonwealth_n yet_o cease_v not_o to_o be_v of_o their_o church_n 3._o the_o people_n of_o the_o land_n that_o become_v jew_n in_o hester_n time_n join_v not_o themselves_o to_o their_o commonwealth_n nor_o the_o sichemite_n 4._o many_o proselyte_n never_o join_v themselves_o to_o their_o commonwealth_n mr._n t._n affirm_v they_o all_o to_o have_v be_v commonwealth_n answer_n the_o word_n be_v ambiguous_a may_v in_o a_o large_a sense_n be_v extend_v to_o a_o family_n and_o to_o a_o scatter_a people_n that_o have_v no_o sovereign_n but_o be_v not_o so_o usual_o take_v sect_n xvii_o r._n b._n the_o child_n of_o abraham_n by_o keturah_n when_o they_o be_v remove_v from_o his_o family_n be_v not_o unchurch_v and_o yet_o be_v no_o member_n of_o the_o jew_n commonwealth_n but_o i_o shall_v take_v up_o with_o what_o be_v say_v for_o this_o already_o undertake_v more_o large_o to_o manifest_v it_o when_o i_o perceive_v it_o necessary_a and_o useful_a mr._n it_o be_v answer_n abraham_n child_n by_o keturah_n when_o out_o of_o the_o commonwealth_n of_o the_o hebrew_n be_v unchurch_v at_o least_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o hebrew_n reply_n 1._o what_o a_o wide_a gap_n do_v that_o at_o least_o make_v you_o yet_o to_o say_v they_o be_v a_o church_n or_o no_o church_n as_o you_o please_v 2._o reader_n use_v scripture_n but_o impartial_o and_o in_o the_o fear_n of_o god_n and_o i_o will_v leave_v it_o to_o thy_o conscience_n to_o judge_v whether_o it_o be_v credible_a that_o when_o god_n have_v foretell_v that_o abraham_n will_v command_v his_o child_n and_o household_n after_o he_o to_o keep_v the_o way_n of_o the_o lord_n gen._n 18.19_o and_o when_o ishmael_n keturahs_n child_n and_o esau_n be_v circumcise_v by_o god_n command_n and_o god_n have_v yet_o promise_v the_o political_a peculiarity_n special_o to_o isaac_n and_o jacob_n yet_o god_n will_v have_v all_o the_o grandchild_n of_o ishmael_n keturah_n esau_n to_o be_v uncircumcised_a and_o all_o their_o posterity_n to_o cease_v that_o usage_n as_o soon_o as_o they_o be_v out_o of_o abraham_n house_n when_o yet_o history_n assure_v we_o that_o they_o long_o continue_v it_o or_o whether_o god_n will_v have_v they_o circumcise_a and_o yet_o be_v no_o church-member_n believe_v as_o evidence_n constrain_v thou_o sect_n xviii_o r._n b._n to_o the_o four_o question_n i_o assert_v that_o 1._o there_o be_v a_o law_n or_o precept_n of_o god_n oblige_v the_o parent_n to_o enter_v their_o child_n into_o covenant_n with_o god_n by_o accept_v his_o favour_n and_o reingaging_a and_o devote_v they_o to_o god_n and_o so_o enter_v they_o solemn_o church-member_n and_o 2._o there_o be_v a_o covenant_n promise_n or_o grant_v of_o god_n by_o which_o he_o offer_v the_o church-membership_a of_o some_o infant_n and_o actual_o confer_v it_o where_o
not_o receive_v they_o though_o we_o approve_v not_o of_o their_o way_n §_o 30._o and_o be_v it_o in_o my_o power_n as_o a_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n i_o will_v give_v satisfaction_n by_o such_o a_o answerable_a profession_n as_o this_o though_o it_o be_v our_o judgement_n that_o infant_n have_v ever_o be_v member_n of_o god_n visible_a church_n since_o he_o have_v a_o church_n and_o there_o be_v infant_n in_o the_o world_n and_o do_v believe_v that_o christ_n have_v signify_v in_o the_o gospel_n that_o it_o be_v his_o gracious_a will_n that_o they_o shall_v still_o be_v so_o and_o that_o he_o that_o command_v mat._n 28.19_o go_v you_o and_o disciple_n all_o nation_n baptise_v they_o will_v have_v his_o minister_n endeavour_v according_o to_o do_v it_o and_o have_v hereby_o make_v baptism_n the_o regular_a orderly_a way_n of_o solemn_a entrance_n into_o a_o visible_a church_n state_n and_o therefore_o we_o devote_v this_o child_n to_o god_n in_o the_o baptismal_a covenant_n yet_o we_o do_v also_o hold_v that_o when_o he_o come_v to_o age_n it_o will_v be_v his_o duty_n as_o serious_o and_o devout_o to_o make_v this_o covenant_n with_o god_n understand_o himself_n and_o to_o dedicate_v himself_o to_o god_n the_o father_n son_n and_o holy_a ghost_n as_o those_o must_v do_v that_o never_o be_v baptise_a in_o infancy_n and_o we_o promise_v to_o endeavour_v faithful_o as_o we_o have_v opportunity_n to_o instruct_v and_o persuade_v he_o so_o to_o do_v hope_v that_o this_o his_o early_a baptismal_a dedication_n and_o obligation_n to_o god_n will_v rather_o much_o prepare_v he_o for_o it_o than_o hinder_v it_o §_o 31._o i_o think_v these_o profession_n shall_v put_v off_o the_o chief_a matter_n of_o offence_n and_o exception_n against_o each_o other_o as_o to_o the_o ill_a consequent_n of_o our_o opinion_n and_o if_o sober_a good_a man_n will_v by_o such_o a_o mutual_a approach_n be_v the_o more_o dispose_v to_o live_v together_o in_o love_n and_o holy_a peace_n how_o easy_o shall_v i_o bear_v the_o scorn_n of_o those_o formalist_n that_o will_v reproach_v i_o for_o so_o much_o as_o motion_v a_o peace_n with_o the_o anabaptist_n even_o in_o the_o same_o communion_n who_o by_o make_v it_o a_o reproach_n will_v but_o persuade_v i_o that_o such_o as_o they_o be_v less_o worthy_a of_o christian_a communion_n than_o sober_a pious_a and_o peaceable_a anabaptist_n §_o 32._o and_o if_o with_o the_o partial_a sort_n of_o themselves_o such_o motion_n of_o peace_n be_v turn_v into_o matter_n of_o contempt_n and_o they_o proceed_v in_o their_o clamour_n and_o revile_v of_o i_o as_o a_o enemy_n of_o the_o truth_n for_o be_v against_o their_o way_n i_o shall_v account_v it_o no_o wonder_n nor_o matter_n of_o much_o provocation_n find_v in_o all_o sect_n as_o well_o as_o they_o that_o the_o injudicious_a sort_n be_v apt_a to_o be_v abusive_o censorious_a and_o the_o more_o man_n pride_n ignorance_n and_o uncharitableness_n remain_v the_o more_o they_o will_v swell_v into_o self-conceit_n and_o trouble_v the_o church_n with_o a_o mistake_n wrangle_a hurtful_a sort_n of_o zeal_n §_o 33._o and_o as_o i_o must_v needs_o believe_v as_o ill_o of_o some_o sort_n of_o zeal_n as_o st._n james_n have_v speak_v of_o it_o jam._n 3._o and_o experience_n have_v too_o long_o tell_v the_o world_n of_o it_o yet_o i_o take_v it_o for_o true_o amiable_a in_o man_n that_o they_o have_v a_o love_n and_o zeal_n for_o truth_n in_o general_n and_o a_o hatred_n to_o that_o which_o they_o think_v to_o be_v against_o it_o and_o that_o their_o bitterness_n against_o the_o truth_n and_o i_o be_v upon_o a_o supposition_n that_o both_o be_v against_o the_o truth_n and_o god_n for_o this_o bear_v they_o witness_v that_o they_o have_v a_o zeal_n of_o god_n though_o it_o be_v not_o according_a to_o knowledge_n and_o if_o they_o know_v truth_n indeed_o they_o will_v be_v zealous_a for_o it_o §_o 34._o i_o conclude_v with_o this_o notice_n to_o the_o contrary_n mind_v that_o 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