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A93642	Groanes for liberty· Presented from the Presbyterian (formerly non-conforming) brethren, reputed the ablest and most learned among them, in some treatises called Smectymnuus, to the high and Honorable Court of Parliament in the yeare 1641, by reason of the prelates tyranny. Now awakened and presented to themselves in the behalf of their now non-conforming brethren. With a beam of light, discovering a way to peace. Also some quæres for the better understanding of Mr Edwards last book called Gangræna. With a parallel betweene the prelacy and presbytery. / By Iohn Saltmarsh preacher of the Gospel.	Saltmarsh, John, d. 1647.; Smectymnuus.	1646 (1646)	Wing S489; Thomason E327_20; ESTC R200661	20,628	47

4. Whether so many Lettters as are in the Book called Grangrena where there is not one name subscribed may not be as well written from Mr Edwards as to him and whether the Authours of those Letters whose name are suppressed are not afraid to be questioned for their Relations and therefore have either concealed their names themselves or Mr Edwards for them 5. Whether the great reasonings and conflicts which Mr Edwards saith he had in his spirit in the writing of this book and sayes were only carnall conflicts were not rather conflicts with that spirit of God which breathed on him more love and charity to his Brethren then it seemes hee would receive at that time 6. Whether his accusing the Parliament and Army the one for tolerating as never Christian State or Magistrate were known to do the other for Antinomianism Independency Familisme Seraphinisme c. be not of high and dangerous insinuation to the people at such a juncture of time and of desperate irritation to our Brethren of Scotland and is against the Solemn League and Covenant one great Article of it 7. Whether this be a sufficient confutation of my Book called the Smoak in the Temple to call it a Book of errors as he doth in Page 3. Epist. and in Page 180. where he saith only this is an errour and that is an erour without the least particle of Reason or Scripture to prove it where if meere accusations may passe for crimes I wonder hee made his book so large and rather summed not all up into one grand affirmative viz. This is all heresie and so have spared the Reader much paines and himselfe much paper 8. Whether hath Mr Edwards delt faithfully and ingenuously as became a Brother pretending to so much clearnesse and integrity of spirit and which makes me suspect him in the rest viz. to charge me with positive errours which my Book can witnesse to the world I writ as exceptions to serve a design of Peace and reconciliation and not as my opinions 9. Whether the design which Mr Edwards pretends in setting forth his Book viz. to make the blasphemies and errours of the times as he calls them to be detested is not rather a farre contrary design viz. to spread poyson infect many souls who by this shall come to the knowledge of such things as they never heard before having provided no Antidote nor any Answer of Scripture or reason against them but meerely contradictions and ill words it was observed that some books set forth for the discovery of Witch-craft made many Witches and so who knows how many hereticks he may make by this his pretended design against them sure either some of the heresies or diseases were so above his cure or remedy or he had a counter design to make Hereticks or the wisdome of his design was turned into folly making Hereticks by writing against them Mr. EDVVARDS Designes AGAINST His Brethren that differ from him Gangrena p. 164. Let us fill all Presses and make all Pulpits ring and so possesse Parliament City and whole Kingdome against Sects Quaere Whether this be not according as the Priests and Elders did about Christs Resurrection saying to the Souldiers say you they stole him away and if any thing come to the governours eare wee will perswade him that is let us cry out they are all Hereticks and Schismaticks and we will perswade the Governours that it is so Mr. Edwards Book p. 172. Let the Magistrate put out some Declarations declaring they shall be proceeded against as Vagrants and Rogues Quaere Whether is this wisedome like that from above which is first pure then peaceable whether these be such words as the Angel give who would not give the very Divel himself ill language but The Lord rebuke thee O Satan Mr. Edwards Book Epist page 4. When I thinke of c. how many powerfull Sermons you have had preached before you about the Covenant against the Sects the many Petitions and yet how little is done c. God accounts all those Errors Heresies let alone and suffered to be the sins of those who have power Quaere Whether is not this a representing to the world and a publike insinuation that the Parliament are Sermon sleighters Covenant breakers hereticall unjust Petition sleighters and whether this ought not to have been rather represented by him in private papers then thus to arraign them before the people and to make themvile in the eyes of the world who have exceeded all their Predecessors in being tender of the blood and sufferings of Gods people and giving the Churches rest for which they have prospered more in the field in victories for this their peace at home then ever before Mr. Edwards p. 2 Epist. to Gangrena You have done worthily against Papists and Prelates c. but what have you done against other kinde of growing evils Heresies Libertines c. Quere Whether is not this to charge upon the Parliament all those things which hee so grosly aggravates to the world as Blasphemies c. and to bury all the Honour of the Good they have done in the Sepulcher of the Evill which he sayth they are now in doing Mr Edwards Epist. Noble Senatours be pleased to pardon the boldnesse I shall take c. not to impute it to my malignity c. I am one who out of choice and of judgement have embarqued my selfe with you Quere Whether doth it not clearly appear by this apology and insinuation of his own worth and good affections that he knew well to what a Crime and Transgression both against Parliament and Piety the Book he had writ would amount to and therefore bespake their just Indignation and Censure before hand with this story of his good affections and imbarquing himselfe for them Whether did Mr Edwards consider the Parliaments Honour Quality Capacity that durst entitle them to the Patronage of such immodest ridiculous Stories and Tales as he brings in his Gangraena AN EXPOSTVLATION With Mr EDVVARDS VPON His Book called GANGRAENA SIR THE uncharitable expressions of your Book against those who see not by your Light and write not by your Candles your binding up the Tares with the Wheat together and the pretious with the vile your trampling upon your Brethren as the mire in the streets have forced my Spirit into these few Queries for Sions sake I cannot hold my peace The Designes of your Book seem to be these 1 A Designe of Provocation to the Magistrate against your Brethren 2 Of Accusation under the old Project of Hereticks and Schismaticks 3 Of Historicall Recreation to the people that they may make themselves sport with the Beleevers that differ from ye as the Philistins with Sampson upon the Stage Can your wounded Brethren make yee good musick Can their faylings make ye more innocent Or their sinnes make ye more spirituall You would have all the Beleevers that are not of your minde banished c. will you who pretend your selfe to

conveyed over from one of them to the other Did not the Pope whip the Protestant with fines imprisonments and the Prelate take the rod our of his hand and whip the Non-conformist and the Non-conformist or Presbyter take the same rod out of the Prelates hand and scourge those that are Non-conformists to him Consid. 7. Let it be well considered whether the design of the Nationall Ministery ever since the first working of it upon the Magi●●rates hath not a design for strengthening their owne interest by the Magistracy of the Kingdomes and how have Kingdomes been embroiled for the serving of this designe and whether is not this guilded with the glorious name of Reformation Consid. 8. Let it be considered from the severall wayes and formes of proceeding in which the beleevers of severall opinions have gone in these times to support themselves which stands most on a pure Gospel spirituall bottome supported by its owne innate congeniall and proper strength clasping about no stones no pillars of the world or humane strength Consid. 9. Let it be considered whether the whole cry of the Divines of the other party as in the late booke is not all to the Magistrate Help us Parliament help us City or we are undone the Heresies and Sects will undoe us What said Ezra I was ashamed saith he to require of the King an army and horsemen to help us against the enemy in the way because we had said the hand of our God is upon all them that seek him Consid. 10. Let it be considered whether they whom he calls Hereticks and Schismaticks make it one of their choicest Principles to desire the Magistrate to help their opinions with their prisons fines pillories but rather that they would let them alone to stand and fall by the power or weaknesse of their Gospell principles and that they may have liberty to pray for them pay to them and possesse the Gospell Each Opinion stated briefly respectively to Toleration Let it be considered to what each pretended Heresie will amount to Independency INdependents beleive that since the Parishes are so generally corrupted the Churches ought to consist of those of them onely that professe more purely as they finde Scripture Rule and Practice and as the Presbyteriant themselves many of them practice in some Ordinances as that of Baptisme●nd the Supper giving them onely to the purest Beleivers They also beleive that they ought not by a few Ministers and Elders of the Churches to bring all the Churches and Congregations under their power and dominion but rather under their advice and consultation Quaere Becaus● then they practice to meet more purely and to rule lesse one over another whether is this enough that they should be fined imprisoned banished The Anabaptists THe Anabaptists so called they hold that Beleivers ought only to be baptized and that Baptisme ought to be so for the manner as may set forth Christs death buriall and resurrection by water as the Greek word and Apostles practice seems to imply and some of the ablest Divines both of England and the great Adversaries the Papists themselves deny not and for children they reade of none the Apostles Baptized and they see not any Scripture cleare enough to warrant and they therefore forbeare Quaere Because they will not practice then what is not cleare in command and confessed by all to be but in hidden consequence because they baptize as they finde the clearest rule and practice and as none can deny but it was the Apostles generall practice to baptize Believers therefore whither is this enough that they should be Fined Imprisoned Banished The Seekers SEekers some of them Question only the way of Church and Ordinances as of Baptisme c. because they finde that the power was at first given to the Apostles with gifts and from them to others and they dare not take it from Antichrist and the Bishops as the Reformed Kingdomes generally take it nor from the Churches because they finde no such power begun from the Churches but only of choyce or consent not of power nor Churches begun before Apostles or Disciples with gifts Quaere Whither then is this enough because they conceive they dare not take Ordinances but from such and in such a manner as was given at first to fine Imprison or Banish them A Modell or Short Draught of the whole difference betwixt the Divines for the Presbytery and them of the other way respectively to the Magistrate or State drawn from the late Books and Practice of both parties in a Petitionary way They of the Presbytery to the Magistrates or State WE humbly Petition ye that Hereticks and Schismaticks wee believing all that differ from us to be so may have your power inflicted upon them whither to fines imprisonment or Banishment and upon this condition ye shall have what we can doe or preach c. The Independents to the Magistrates or State VVEe humbly Petition that ye will not hazard nor endanger your civill power of the State to help our opinions against our Brethren for we are not Infallible nor Apostolicall we see but in part and that ye will not punish any of our Brethren Presbyterials or others for what they believe or differ from us in things of outward order in the Gospel and that we may have leave to pray for ye to pay tribute to ye to fight for ye and to worship the Lord among our selves peaceably as we believe and to punish us when we disturbe ye by Tumults or trouble your peace in our way of worshiping SOME QUAERES FOR The better understanding OF Mr EDWARDS last BOOK Called in Latine Gangrena But in English a Book of Scandals AGAINST The Honourable Houses of Parliament the Army the Saints and Churches of Christ that differ from him Quaere 1. VVHether this be not a new way and work of Providence to bring forth some Gospel light to the world by presenting some truth under the name and notion of errours and heresies which can scarce obtain from the Presse and Pulpit any other way of appearing abroad and if this be not to take the wise in their own craftiness and to make Mr Cranford the Licenser and Mr Edwards the Publisher of some such Truths which the world had else never known so publikely but under the form of heresie and from their two pens but under this disguise 2. Whether that Story which Mr Edwards tels of Brasteed in Kent where he sayes a woman preaches which is known to my selfe and all in that place to be a meere untruth be not a way to judge of most of his Stories Letters Relations 3. Whether this late Book called Gangrena where there are so many Letters writ to the Reverend Mr Edwards to the Worthy Mr Edwards to the Good Mr Edwards to the Father Mr Edwards to the Worthy Reverend good Mr Edwards with divers other insinuations of his own worth be not a way of seeking glory and praise from men