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A41431
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The sum of a conference had between two divines of the Church of England and two Catholic lay-gentlemen at the request and for the satisfaction of three persons of quality, August 8, 1671.
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Gooden, Peter, d. 1695.
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Wing G1099; ESTC R34918
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