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A81745 The Quakers vvisdom descendeth not from above or a brief vindication of a small tract, intituled, The Quakers folly made manifest to all men, as also of its authour, from the exceptions made against it, and aspersions cast upon him. In a pamphlet called The voice of wisdom, &c. published by George Whithead, Quaker. / By Tho. Danson, M.A. late fellow of Magd. Coll. Oxon. And now minister of the Gospel at Sandwich in Kent. Danson, Thomas, d. 1694. 1659 (1659) Wing D217; Thomason E2255_4; ESTC R210142 19,984 42

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David which was the Royal Fam●●y ●●ould be rais●d to through Faith in Christ And so they give us two sizes of strength and for●●tude and not one only as G●● interpre●s them Some shall be as David others as God Now look as Omnipotency is not Literally promis●d to Davids House but by an ●x●●sse of spe●ch or Hyp●●bole a greater measure of strength than others against bodily enemies so nor can we understand it sp●ritua●ly b●t of a greater measure of spiritual strength against ●p●●itu●l enemies To conclude this discourse I shall not refuse to imitate an adversary though I shall be more ingenuous than to wrong h●m as he hath done me but shall b●i●fly sum up his principles and assertions with the place in his Book where they are to be found The Spirit was eff ctual among the Gentiles who had not the Letter of the Word p. 39. The works of God which true Believers witnesse are perfect p. 18. He meaning my self would have the Believers like the P●●ests who sin in the best of their performances as they conf sse p. 18. Th●t our good works are the meritorious or deserving cause of our Justification p. 19. G. W. finds fault with me for holding that the Scriptures are the Word of God and the only standing Rule of Faith and life p. 29. Those Teachers that want infallib●lity are out of the Truth p. 33. G. W. calls it Ignorance in me to call the Spirit the third Person in the Trinity p. 22. FINIS A NARRATIVE Reader MY Rejoynder to G.W. having been finished a good while since as the date of the Epistle will inform thee and the Bookseller having thought fit to delay the publication after it was off the Presse upon a consideration not necessary to be mentioned I have been perswaded by some worthy Friends to annex a Narrative the materials whereof lay by me and are of undoubted credit To most of them thou shalt have the Witnesses names persons of much integrity and where they are wanting in the rest the Witnesses not judging it advisable in some respects to be publickly named I shall be accountable to any man that desires it for a punctual proof Thou canst not be so much a stranger in England as not to know how frequently the Quakers decry the present Ministry with their Doctrine and Worship under the Notion of Antichristian But how little reason have they so to do considering how much themselves do symbolize with Antichrist particularly in that grand Doctrine of Justification by works which as they hold in the Principle they reduce it to Practise Witnesse Mr. Davis Min. of Dover For one of them lately at Dover when he came to die upon the question put to him made answer that he expected salvation only by his own works and not by Christ And dying men may usually be presumed to speak their hearts And I am out of doubt that they are acted by the antichristian Faction A Gentleman of good credit assured me that he met with an English Jesuit in London the first Lords day in June last one who was bred in Cambridge and had been formerly of his acquaintance who after some shynesse to be known at length confessed that he came over to propagate the Romish Faith and told him that there was a good honest people called Quakers whom we jeer'd at that did their work at the second hand and he boasted much of the numbers that turned Catholicks immediatly or medily by becomming Quakers And another Gentleman that came this Spring from St. Omars did avouch that he saw the Jesuits there about four a Clock every evening throw off their Gowns and put on aprons and betake themselves to the exercise of Handy-craft callings some plaid the Shoomakers others sate at the Loom others kill'd and dress'd sheep and they did not stick to boast that under the disguise of such callings working as Journeymen and changing place as they listed they served the Romish Church And the Head of the Colledge told him that England never was in so fair a way of return to the Romish See since it broke off as now And what hopes the Papists can have unlesse from the encrease of Quakers I leave Reader to thy determination And the truth is the Quakers now d●clare their intentions to propagate their perswasions by the sword whereas they were w●nt to pretend to so much meekness peaceablenesse that they would bear neither staffe nor sword At ●●●t Meeting of the Quake●s in Hurst-Peir-point in Sussex he that undertook to be the Speaker cald out to the Min● of the Parish who then accidentally passed by saying We will have you all down for now our day is come and another Quaker in the Parish of Nuthurst in the same County did say to a Godly person of good quality in that Parish that he no more cared to kill one of the Priests as he stiled the Ministers then he would to kill a dog And another Quaker way-laid the Minister of Covewold a very worthy and reverend man at his return from a Fast and justled him upon the high way as he kept it having his Wife behind him and drew out a sword which he had by his side about half way which was a shrewd presumption that he intended the Minister mischeif but that some Neighbours that came from the Fast coming up to them prevented it And they do usually give out threatning speechs against the Ministry and their Friends Mr. Wingfield One Instance you may take as it was formally attested to me under the hand of a Godly minister of a Town within one mile of Sandwich I do testifie that Luke Howard of Dover Quaker did say in my hearing on the 25 day of July 1659. upon the rode near Dover Castle that it was revealed to him by the eternal God that the Priests shall be destroyed and by the people who are called Quakers In testimony whereof I set my hand Aug. 3. 1659. Will. Wingfield Min. at Word And in a late Pamphlet call'd a Word of advice to the Souldiers by E.B. Quaker p. 2. he speaking to the Souldiers of the Ministers uses this passage Oh give the Priests bloud to drink for they are worthy I my self read the whole Book through and can therefore attest it upon personal knowledge And what affronts these wretches offer to the Worship of God is notoriously known On the Lords day being the 18 of Sept. 1659. one Will. Naylor Brother to James Naylor a Quaker came into the Savoy Church when Mr. Hooke was in the Pulpit preaching and made such a bellowing noise that it seemed to be rather the Devil speaking within him than his own natural voice insomuch that the Minister was necessitated for a time to hold his peace and many of the people were sadly affrighted at the dreadfulnesse of the noise that some ran one way some another to secure themselves from the danger which they apprehended was near them This is testified by
THE QUAKERS VVISDOM descendeth not from Above Or a Brief VINDICATION Of a Small TRACT Intituled The Quakers Folly made manifest to all men As also of its Authour from the Exceptions made against It and Aspersions cast upon Him In a PAMPHLET CALLED The Voice of Wisdom c. Published by GEORGE WHITHEAD Quaker By THO. DANSON M. A. Late Fellow of Magd. Coll. Oxon. And now Minister of the Gospel at Sandwich in Kent And if it be not so now who will make me a Liar and mak my speech nothing worth Job 24. ult What have I now done Is there not a cause 1 Sam. 17.29 London Printed for J. Allen at the Rising Sun in Pauls Church-yard 1659. THE EPISTLE to the READER Reader I Am once more come upon on the Stage not without a Blush yet not because I am unwilling to have my Doctrines brought to Light as G. W. G. W. voice of wisdom p. 3. would make thee believe For I am so far from being ashamed of them that could the whole world be brought within the reach of my voice upon a due call I would make a Confession of my Faith Nor yet because I am conscious to my self of wronging the Quake●s in my relation of the Disputes between us either by laying down things in their Names which they never spoke or diminishing from their words or making false constructions to use the very words of G. Whithead's Charge For let any understanding man peruse the Book In Epist to the Reader which occasions this Reply and he will find that either I am charged with falshood in such passages as have many and credible witnesses to attest the●r truth or else in particular words as in putting Sanct●fic●tion for righteousnesse w thin by which alteration if any such there were no wrong was done to their meaning And as for any false construction of their words if thou thinkest it worth the while to compare my false and this mans true construction either thou seest not with my eyes or thou wilt see that they have no cause of complaint I have followed my present Antagonist step by step and omitted nothing that hath the least colour of Scripture or ●eason unless where I make a reference to my former Book to avoid repetition lest he should say that like a child I Skip what I cannot read Only I confess I am not able to match him at his Billingsgate Rhetorick nor wo●ld I with Jonah be as hot as the Sun that scaldes me For I make account as once a Learned man said that so much as there is of undue passion so much of nothing to the purpose For there Reason spends upon a false sent and forsakes the Question started I trust that thou wilt be more confirmed in thy bad opinion of the Quakers and that the dust which they raise with their feet I shall blow away I mean crosse their endeavours to hide their meaning in doubtful words either out of ignorance not being Masters of their own Notions or which I rather believe out of design it being true of them which Job speaks of the Thief If one know them they are in the terrours of the shadow of death Job 24.17 I hope thou wilt not be byassed by their seeming humility for pride may be the root that bears that Branch The Apostle speaks of a voluntary humility which was the effect of being vainly puft up by a fleshly mind Col. 2.18 And sure I am that if one part of the character which the Bishop of Alif in the Council of Trent gave of the Protestants viz. that they had Orthodoxos Mores i. e. an Orthodox Conversation be as true of the Quakers as it was of the Protestants yet the other part viz. that withal they had Haereticam Fidem i. e. an Hetorodox or Heretical Belief is as true of these men as it was false of those And thou wilt find In the ●●●ep that particularly G. W. laies the most innocent Truths under the odious imputation of Anti-Christs deceits That thou maist not know the depths of Satan as they speak Rev. 2.24 But maist hold fast that Doctrine which thou hast already v. 25. is the Prayer of Thy Servant in the work of the Gospel Tho. Danson Sandwich Aug. 15 1659. QUESTION 1. Concerning the Light of Christ. THO Darson saith the Lights mentioned viz. natural and supernatural are two and though all have the one yet but few have the other G. W. Ans The life of Christ is the Light of men and that is not natural but spiritual and thou might as well count the Life of Christ natural as count it the Light so T. D. Reply 1. The distinction of natural or supernatural or spiritual Light we have Rom 1.17 20. Where the revelation of righteousnesse in the Gospel is opposed to the knowledge of the God-head which men attain to by the Creation Ch 2.14 The Gentiles are said by nature to do the things con●ained in the Law and are said to be a Law to themselves when yet withal 't is affirmed that they had not the Law viz. revealed or the Oracles of God for they were committed to the Jews only at that time ch 3.2 2. And to that silly Argument that I might count the life of Christ natural as well as the light I answ●r that there is a life of Christ natural viz. whereof Christ is the author as God as well as spiritual whereof he is the author as God-man John 1.3 All things were made by him with all their qualities and properties and whatsoever goes to the making them what they are wh●ch so far as it intends life may be explained by Acts 17.25 He God giveth to all life and breath Or if there be not such a n●●ural life then Plants Bruits and all Man●●nd have a spiritual life an absurdity to grosse to lodge in the brain of any other man but a Qua●er T. D charged R.H. with saying the true Light hath not co●e over and comprehended thee G W. Ans That 's false he said no such thing for the Light hath comprehended thee but thou art not come into it nor hast comprehended it T. D. Reply My credit will go further than thine G W. R. H did say as was related but perhaps he meant as thou saiest that I was not come over to c●mprehend the true Light Tho. D. charged us with consenting that the knowledge o● the Gospel is vouchsafed to every man G.W. Ans No such thing d●d we consent to but that there were some in darknesse so that their ignorance of the Gospel does not argue that they had not that light in them that was able o b●ing them to know the Gospel but rather that they disobeyed the l●ght of God in them and liked not to retain God in their k owledge T.D. Reply My words are If you meaning be that the Gospel is vouchsafed by Christ to every man I expect your proof And R. H. by silence consented tha● that was