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A45244 A treatise concerning the covenant and baptism dialogue-wise, between a Baptist & a Poedo-Baptist wherein is shewed, that believers only are the spirituall seed of Abraham, fully discovering the fallacy of the argument drawn from the birth priviledge : with some animadversions upon a book intituled Infant-baptism from heaven and not of men, defending the practise of baptizing only believers against the exceptions of M. Whiston / by Edward Hutchinson. Hutchinson, E. M. (Edward Moss) 1676 (1676) Wing H3829; ESTC R40518 127,506 243

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quamvis_fw-la ille_fw-la mos_fw-la jam_fw-la aboleverit_fw-la apud_fw-la plerosque_fw-la debebant_fw-la tamen_fw-la prorsus_fw-la immergi_fw-la &_o statim_fw-la retrahi_fw-la et_fw-la sane_fw-la si_fw-la spectes_fw-la quid_fw-la baptismus_fw-la significet_fw-la idem_fw-la requiri_fw-la videbis_fw-la that_o be_v baptism_n be_v a_o greek_a word_n and_o may_v be_v interpret_v a_o over-whelming_a when_o we_o plunge_v any_o thing_n into_o the_o water_n that_o it_o may_v be_v cover_v all_o over_o and_o although_o that_o custom_n be_v now_o out_o of_o use_n with_o many_o yet_o they_o ought_v true_o to_o be_v dip_v and_o present_o lift_v up_o again_o and_o certain_o if_o you_o consider_v the_o nature_n of_o the_o thing_n you_o will_v see_v that_o to_o be_v necessary_a which_o be_v the_o true_a signification_n of_o the_o word_n we_o find_v cause_n rather_o to_o adhere_v to_o it_o than_o follow_v mr._n whiston_n unscriptural_a dictate_v as_o to_o what_o he_o
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2._o that_o if_o they_o have_v it_o be_v no_o great_a matter_n the_o book_n be_v from_o just_a ground_n judge_v spurious_a 3._o that_o if_o the_o book_n be_v genuine_a their_o testimony_n in_o the_o three_o century_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o prove_v matter_n of_o fact_n the_o first_o age._n 2._o the_o argument_n from_o infant_n non_fw-la exclusion_n be_v mr._n whiston_n dear_a argument_n so_o oft_o repeat_v and_o make_v such_o a_o flourish_n withal_o and_o fill_v a_o good_a part_n of_o his_o book_n our_o answer_n shall_v be_v refer_v to_o the_o place_n where_o he_o urge_v it_o 3._o the_o inference_n from_o circumcision_n this_o mr._n whiston_n in_o express_a term_n tell_v we_o be_v not_o make_v any_o ground_n of_o infant_n baptism_n by_o they_o in_o these_o word_n we_o plead_v not_o for_o infant_n baptism_n mere_o from_o the_o analogy_n it_o bear_v to_o circumcision_n and_o be_v angry_a they_o shall_v be_v charge_v with_o it_o though_o his_o practice_n contradict_v the_o 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formam_fw-la fuisse_fw-la retentam_fw-la ex_fw-la eo_fw-la apparet_fw-la quod_fw-la in_o probatis_fw-la anteribus_fw-la nulla_fw-la insignis_fw-la reporitur_fw-la variatio_fw-la aut_fw-la mutatio_fw-la annotata_fw-la it_o be_v apparent_a that_o the_o simple_a or_o old_a form_n of_o baptise_v be_v keep_v viz._n in_o the_o second_o age_n because_o no_o remarkable_a variation_n or_o mutation_n be_v note_v by_o any_o approve_a author_n and_o that_o this_o comprehend_v both_o the_o subject_n and_o way_n of_o administration_n of_o the_o first_o age_n be_v evident_a to_o such_o as_o be_v not_o critical_o contumacious_a and_o blind_a and_o it_o be_v very_o probable_a yea_o certain_a that_o have_v the_o magdeburg_n find_v any_o example_n for_o infant-baptism_n in_o this_o age_n more_o than_o in_o the_o former_a they_o will_v not_o fail_v to_o mention_v it_o and_o though_o they_o say_v nec_fw-la usquam_fw-la legiter_fw-la infant_n hoc_fw-la saeculo_fw-la remotos_fw-la esse_fw-la that_o we_o 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