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A49777 William Rogers's Christian Quaker, manifested to be antichristian by Thomas Lawrence of Marlbrough. Lawrence, Thomas, 1645?-1714. 1681 (1681) Wing L689A; ESTC R221692 4,101 16

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disown them So he and the Johns seem to be wiser in their own conceits than the body of faithful Friends Now let the Reader judge in the true Light who were the first beginners of the differences he that set up useful and decent Orders in the Church by the Spirit and Power of Christ or they that did begin quarelling and pecking at them These three Dissenters do themselves disprove what they first asserted Many more such Assertions might be named but first prove these true if you can what you charge in your Book concerning George Fox His flying persecution at Bristol I leave it for Bristol Friends to answer that were eye witnesses of what was done as for the rest of your Book I leave for you to weary your selves with only let me tell you that cursed Cham uncovered the nakedness of his natural Father but you have endeavoured to uncover the nakedness of a Spiritual Father if he had any which you have not proved having shot many Arrows of envy at him even bitter words and hard Speeches Haman thought to destroy Mordecai and all the Seed of the Jews but the destruction fell upon himself and his confederates but as Joseph said unto his Brethren Ye intended evil against me but God turned it to good so your Printing your Book and Jsaac Peningtons and George Foxes Letters compared with William Rogers and John Wilkinsons will prove an advantage to truth and it will rejoyce such as live in the life of Truth to see the Torch flame by knocking against the post● and so may recover some from the Beast and false Prophet that are now in their heate of Contention William Rogers If any man or men that never heard of any difference among Quakers should understand upon what grounds thou hast justified the Johns and vilified George Fox and Robert Barclay they would wonder at thy unadvised forwardness so to exceed in hard speeches many of your own side reading J. Wilkinson's and G. F's Letters from one to each other would sink their esteem of thy unreasonable proceedings but such as have well known what George Fox and the Johns have been in doing and suffering the benefit of comparison may be useful in this matter 1. George Fox was the first publick Preacher of that glorious day the Light of Christ within since the apostacy John Wilkinson said as in the fourth part of their Book page 77. That God appeared in George Fox in the beginning of the day of Life and reached unto us saith he with his word which gave us faith to believe his Testimony that God gave of his Light in our hearts John Story told me That George Fox was detained from them in Lanson Prison so they were at a great loss for want of Councel until George Fox came to them again Then the Johns were not the first nor the most ancient Ministers 2. George Fox hath been a great travelling Minister not only all over England but beyond the Seas many hundred miles also But the Johns were never beyond the Seas as I know nor never over England neither as I know but from Kendal to Bristol and so to Reading and back again to particular Meetings with much weariness and caution in times of danger nor bore no great Burthen nor Heat but by a good fire in their free quarters and are little known or minded but in their separations 3. George Fox hath begotten many to God by Gods power in his Ministry that reached my heart at first hearing which the Johns did not though I heard them often before yet much hath been spoken of their gathering of People in part of the South and West but what have they gathered them to but a profession of true words out of the Life Witness some particular Meetings from Wickham to Bristol and thereabout 4. George Fox hath suffered in many Prisons where he lay in the Rain and Dirt which were promised to be mended by the Judges but were not but the Johns never suffered in any Prison as I know except it was two or three Months in Fisherton-Anger where they had a dry House a good Bed and Food convenient I saw it William Rogers if thou and all thy Friends concern'd can prove all your Writings true and mine false then I will willingly submit to the truth in you But if you cannot prove your Writing true nor mine false then you are to submit to the truth in me and so Controversie will be ended Marlbrough the 3d. Month 1681. Being the 81 year of my Age. THOMAS LAWRENCE IT is desired that this may be dispersed only amongst Friends called Quakers and such others as have seen or do receive W. R. his said Book against them THE END
William Rogers's Christian QUAKER Manifested to be Antichristian BY Thomas Lawrence OF MARLBROVGH LONDON Printed for Benjamin Clark in Georgeyard in Lombard-street 1681. WILLIAM ROGERS's Christian QUAKER Manifested to be ANTICHRISTIAN WIlliam Rogers of Bristol in behalf of himself and his Friends with him concerned hath Written a Book against Apostates containing 100 Sheets of Paper price 4 s. 4 d. In Answer to that Book Thomas Lawrence of Marlbrough their opponent hath Written a Book against Separatists containing one Sheet of Paper price one half Penny Perspicuity and Brevity are two chief points in writing that is plain and short But this Voluminous Book of William Rogers and his Friends concerned is neither plain nor short but Ambiguous and Tedious Doubtful and Long Loaded with many Letters Suppositions and Jeallousies Reïterations and Parentheses many and long objections and observations that will both trouble and weary the Reader More to the purpose you might have Written in the tenth part of the Paper having so many in Council to make a Book And Children of Light too as you call Note that envious Spirit slanderous to truth and the ground of differences and contention whereof you charge your opposers it will fall upon your own Heads like a Milstone nor is it likely that your Book will gather any one to your side that hath any sence of truth in them but rather cause many to depart from you Thou beginnest thy Preface with Christ's saying As I hear I Judge that is hear the party not report William Rogers didst thou ever hear George Fox advise Nathaniel Crips and Robert Arch to buy their Tythes or hearsay didst thou ever hear G. F. advise Mary Penington to hide or secure her goods from the Spoilers in time of danger else thou hast judged by hearsay Notwithstanding thou did'st hide some part of thy own goods and use many arguments for hiding goods as appears in the first part of your Book Page 32 33. Thou hast muddled that point as thou hast many others in your Book that were plain enough before why had'st thou not made it more intelligible and plain as how much goods may be hid what sorts of goods and who may do it Thou hast abused George Fox double first judged him by heare-say secondly judged him for advising to hide goods in any case and yet do it thy self in some case condemning another and do the same things so thou art inexcusable In your second part you treat on principles of Religion but not so satisfying as was done by Ancient Faithful Labourers in the Ministery by Word and Writing Doctrine and Government You Preach up Doctrine but leave out Christ's Government and so you are rightly called Separates putting asunder what God hath joyned together Parting Husband and Wife cutting off the Body from the Head as if they were all Traytors you name your selves in a peculiar manner Children of Light what are none else Children of Light but William Rogers and his Friends concern'd Sure enough your Book is a work of Darkness as appears for you have asserted many things in your Book that are not true Your first Assertion is That some say that God hath Anointed and chosen George Fox to be in that place among the Children of Light in our day as Moses was among the Children of Israel in his day to set up forms of Church-Government part first pag. 9. This you charge on them you call your opposers Now it is your part to prove who they are or if any such be thou knowst not whether George Fox doth own their Testimony Second Assertion You charge your opposers as you call them with Folly and Hypocrisie that profess themselves members of the true Church and believe as the Church believes Answer To believe as the Church believes for no other reason but because the Church so believes Whether the Church of England or Church of Rome is Popery but to believe as the true Church believes is true faith not FOR but AS but your sence concerning them you call your opposers is That they believe as others do without Gods grace in their hearts which you can never prove Third Assertion The place of Christs Government is only within in the heart part first page 29. Q. Who then shall govern in the Life What Scripture have you for the word only within You quote Esay the 9th but that Scripture is against you and saith Christ's Government is upon his Soulders that is without the parable in the Light opens it self declaring Christ's Divine and Humane Nature One God begin at the 6 v. Vnto us a Child is Born his Human Nature unto us a Son is given his divine Nature one Lord one King one Government not divided but in unity with his members Christ is not suffering now by himself in Heaven but suffering together with his members on Earth bearing up his Government in them and suffering with them within and without Saul Saul why persecutest thou me in all their afflictions I was afflicted pressed as a Cart with Sheavs The increase of his Government and peace have no end but the Separates will have no increase of Christs Government no more than was in the beginning then no increase of peace there will be but Wrangling and Differences with such Fourth Assertion It is repugnant to the Light in our consciences to believe that Christs Government should rest upon any Man or Men to be rulers over others Answer These and the like words of governing ruling and lording over others is so often charged and so much of the Book spent and so little or nothing proved that it doth manifest the Author of this Book to be more crazy and flashy then sollid and weighty yet still trying up the Light within and are not in it None more able to betray his Master than a Disciple none could more advantagiously betray his Master than a Judas What a sad thing it is for any to lose a good condition and not know it nor will they know if one should tell them Fifth Assertion That George Fox was the first that did begin the difference among Friends by setting up Monthly and Quarterly Meetings Answer The body of faithful Friends agreed that the Monthly and Quarterly Meetings were set up by the Spirit and Power of Christ through G. Fox not by imposition upon but recommendation to the Church John Wilkinson and John Story both said they would not say They were not set up by the Power yet John Story said another time He would not say they were or were not the third time John Story said He did not believe George Fox had Gods Spirit to do it by and John Wilkinson said to me and others He did not own the Monthly and Quarterly Meetings when they were first set up If this be not confusion what is Nathaniel Crips in his answer to my Book concerning the Man of Sin revealed said He did not own George Fox's orders many years before he knew any Man