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A81304 The Quaker no Papist, in answer to The Quaker disarm'd. Or, A brief reply and censure of Mr. Thomas Smith's frivolous relation of a dispute held betwixt himself and certain Quakers at Cambridge. By Hen. Denne. Denne, Henry, 1606 or 7-1660? 1659 (1659) Wing D1024; Thomason E1000_13; ESTC R207840 18,534 22

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Quakers to be very Mahumetans and Atheists which I hope no man is yet so mad as to conceive of them For were there an Oath exacted of them to swear that Mahomets Religion is false which none but Mahumetans for the precise matter of it would refuse or to swear that there is a God which none but Atheists if they would scruple at yet Quakers would refuse both the one and the other standing to their principles So that T. S. may make what he will of a Quaker if it were honesty to circumvent him in this manner 3. After this he tells Whitehead a story of twelve men going in Embassage The one shews his Commission the other eleven can shew none and then addes every one of them exclaiming against this man who shews his Commission and against the other for Counterfeits In the mean time I could wish that T. S. would remember whence he had his Commission But to the purpose Is not this pure sense think you that he speaks here do these eleven both complain against the true Embassadour and themselves against one another also as Counterfeits crying sayes he aloud that he himself and he alone is the true Embassadour though he have nothing to prove it by more then the other ten false Who can make sense of this just now there was eleven who had no true Commission to shew and now they are shrunk up into ten What 's become of the eleventh who is that he himself and he alone who sayes he is the true Embassadour is there any mention of such a Hee Are such matters as these fit to pass the print from such a publick University well this is but a Minutia a petty oversight in comparison of what follows He is again at the mystery of the B. Trinity and not onely grants but makes shew to prove that the three Persons in the Trinity were in different places at once that is if he understands the terms he useth in the sense of his adversary as he must do if he will dispute fairly and not be counted an Equivocatour and Shifter so as that one Person was where the other was not The one went down saith he the other came up c. God the Father in Heaven God the Son coming out of the water God the Holy Ghost descending on this side heaven like a Dove What stuff is here to come from an University man a Master of Arts a turner over of Arabick and other Manuscripts For if he thinks as he speaks and who knows his meaning in this case but by what he speaks whilst he labours to prove the poor Quakers to be introducers of Heresies he himself introduces a most damnable Heresie namely in denying the Vbiquity of the three Divine Persons for by the supposition of his argument he plainly tyes God the Father to heaven and the Holy Ghost with the second Person he shuts quite out of it which is blasphemy to assert For the holy Ghost is God equall with the Father and our Saviour although according to his humane nature he be not every where yet according to his divine nature he is so that it is not onely false and impious but impossible for a Christian to conceive that any one of the Divine Persons should be where the other are not as he labours to prove because I say they are all of them every where 4. This onely hath been to give you a taste of T. S. his abilities in point of Scolarship and reasoning guess hereby if you please how great a Divine and what a good Christian you may expect to finde him I shall enter now a little further with him into the pith and substance of his Arguments His craft and cunning I see goes much beyond his learning For the truth is he presses most especially such kinde of Arguments against George Whitehead and them of his way which with far greater reason might have been urged against him and his His artifice is this and 't is but too common and familiar with those of his Gang. When he disputes against Papists he sticks close to the principles common to him and those who have separated themselves from the Church of Rome under what notion soever they pass then their Judgement and their Arguments and their Principles are good with him But let him dispute with any of those who divide themselves from the Church of England his late flourishing but now fading Mistress not to say Idol which perhaps were more proper to convince any of them either of Heresie or Schism he assumes the very same Arguments and urges the same Reasons which Papists do both against the Episcopal and Presbyterial Congregations Who is so ignorant as not to know how often and how vehemently Popish Authors have ever and yet do urge all sorts of Separatists from them to shew their Commission and by what Authority they took upon them to preach their new Doctrine contrary to that which was then publickly believed and preached to enter in others Charges Jurisdictions and Cures to make themselves Pastors and Doctors of their own accord without any lawful Call and Ordination thereto It cannot be denyed but this is the chief Argument which he presses against Whitehead in this dispute But was not Luther pressed with the like by King Henry the eighth by Sir Thomas Moor by the Popish Doctor Eckius and others It is too manifest to be denyed And did not Sales Bishop of Geneva urge the same against Calvin and Beza for usurping upon his Episcopal Chair and Authority by their preaching without his leave and contrary to the Doctrine of all the Popish Bishops of Christendome Was it not the Plea of all the Bishops and Parish Priests in Germany Swethland Denmark France Switzerland and Holland against the first Ministers of the Reformation when they entred into their several Parishes and Diocesses and by force of their preaching took away a great part of their people and their children from them Did not those Bishops and Priests here in England who were cast into prison in the first of Queen Elizabeths Reign complain in the same manner when they saw their Episcopal Sees and Benefices possest by others who had been formerly subject to their Authority did they not call upon them as T. S. does now upon George Whitehead and his friends shew your Commission Are not all the Books of Papists in those times and all their Histories filled with the same complaints Or was there ever any other answer generally given by Protestants to them save onely that which George Whitehead and those of his way do give now to T. S. namely that the first Preachers of the Reformation had and they now have an extraordinary calling from God that they were sent by God and not by man to reform the errours and abuses that were in the Church When Luther and Calvin Zuinglius Bucer Peter Martyr and the rest were demanded to shew their Commission did they or could they with truth