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A49752	An answer to a book published by Richard Smith of Westchester wherein the people of God called Quakers (more particularly in this county of Cheshire) are cleared from the wrong, injustice, and false accusations by him charged upon them / written for the information and satisfaction of the sober-minded by Alexander Lawrence.	Lawrence, Alexander, d. 1682.	1677 (1677)	Wing L649; ESTC R25714	13,255	21

receiving a False Accusation against thee as thou chargest us with let any reasonable man judge Witness William Gandy John Simcock Thomas Welch John Badely Henry Maddock with many more Afterwards thou camest into the Meeting and I told thee what Tho. Davanport had accused thee with but not willing to have any old matters debated upon we having had too much of them as before I did ask thee this Question Richard Art thou willing Thomas shall come into thy House to the Meeting thou saidst Thy Doors were open c. I asked thee again thou replyedst off the Matter so I said Richard Canst not thou say thou art willing or thou art not what needeth so much ado And when thou couldst not satisfie us with those Answers thou saidst Thou wouldst say no more or words to that purpose and indeed it did trouble many in the Meeting to see thee so stiff and so little of a condescending spirit that though Friends had engaged thou wouldst be willing yet thou wouldst not so much as say thou wert which manner of carriage in thee hath given too much occasion of the then Difference in Chester and when thou hadst refused to answer Thomas seeing we were troubled thereat he said to thee If he had done thee any VVrong he would do what thou wouldst have him to do or words to that purpose and further said he would do what we would have him to do and thereupon we advised and desired him to come to Meetings which accordingly he did and this thing was it that did as thou calledst it p. 7. pinch thee the most of any thing that was done by us and after this thy spirit turned against us and then thou be an'st to speak and write against Womens Meetings and not before since that at London which thou chiefly objectest against though that was done above nine moneth before this I mention yet nothing that I know of said against it by thee till after this time so it may easily be understood the Ground or Reason of thy differing with and separating from us even because thy Mind was not answered in all things according to thy desire by us which is not the Symtom of a mans walking in all Humility and Lowliness with us as thou boastest of thy self though thou now pretendest something else and makest a great noise of the Wrong we have done thee c. which is left to the Reader to consider of and without partiality to judge So I come to shew wherein thou hast wronged me in reporting those for my words in the behalf of the Meeting which were not mine The 19th of the 8th moneth 1676. after a long Debate with thee indeed to small purpose as is proved thou mayst well know the Cause of it if thou wilt but let Truth take place in thy mind the greatest matter thou at that time couldst alledge against us was our Forbearance or as thou callest it neglect c. that we had not given Sentence of Excommunication against Daniel Maddock and wholely rejected him which indeed as by thy Book doth appear was the main thing thou hadst driven at for a season thereupon I said in the behalf of the Meeting That the Church had Power to pass Sentence of Excommunication or to forbear for a time as they saw meet and convenient in the Wisdom of God these were my words witness Tho. Brigs Richard Milner and others and these we will stand by And we do say The time and season of our declaring on disunion with those who break out of the order of truth stands not in the will of any prejudiced man but in the will of God who is Long-suffering and full of tender Mercy who waits to restore the Back-slider Thou sayst in thine pag. 19. I said We had power to suspend our Judgment in which thou shewest either a great deal of Ignorance or Wilfulness for we had given our Judgment long before this against D. M. otherwise why did we require him to make thee satisfaction This manner of dealing is not Friendly nor Christianly but looketh too like Forgery For thy saying that Tho. Brigs and Tho. Wynne told thee plainly thy house was not thy own It is well known to the moderate people of this Nation though thou makest such use of it that we do not deny any man that which is his own nor desire it from him but let me tell thee thou having given Friends leave to meet in part of thy House and they having provided some convenience for that purpose as things to sit upon c. it was not agreeable to the Truth for thee for the Offence of one or two if such a thing were to turn all the rest forth of thy Doors without their Consent and thereby expose them to such Sufferings as did thereupon follow which might have been much worse had not the then Mayor and Recorder of that City used much Moderation and Justice in the Mannagement of the Matter and how sleight soever thou mayst make of this yet it is that which by all thy Papers and Book thou canst not clear thy self from until thou repent of it and condemn it The next thing is to clear my self from the Lye thou wouldst make people believe I am guilty of in saying It is thy Principle and Practice to deny Water-baptism and Breaking of Bread and Drinking of Wine I do say and am able to prove it both by Witness and thy Practice that it is thy Principle and Practice except thou be changed in that as well as in other things to deny both as being now in force or to be practised in the Church of Christ and therefore demand of thee what Scripture thou hast to prove the discontinuing of them seeing thou ownest they were once or what Scripture had Paul to prove the discontinuance of Circumcision seeing God said It should be for an Everlasting Covenant in their flesh Gen. 17.13 For no rational man can in reason judge that I should charge thee to deny that they never were seeing the Scriptures are so full that they were in their time and season therefore needless is it for thee to say they were of Service in the Church c. but to prove by plain Text of Scripture that they are not not that I say they are seeing thou wilt be so exact for Scripture-proof for what we do for that was the occasion of my so writing not that we in the least deny the Scriptures as thou well knowest but own and esteem them in their place yet prefer the holy Spirit before them by which the holy Scriptures were given forth and the Leadings of that Spirit which leadeth into all Truth so into the Truth in them In the next place I come to speak of my Answer to thy Queries and therein to prove unto thee and others what I said before viz. that thou hast in all or most of them either added or diminished in my first Answer pag. 26 27. thou in thy

part of thy Book is to give an account of our dealing or mannagement of the difference between thee and Daniel Maddock and this we know that Daniel did not in many things carry hinself as became one professing what he doth but many times gave occasion for thee to complain of him and this thou as well knowest we never stood by him or in the least owned him therein but on the contrary reproved him for the same and admonished him to condemn it which according to thine pag. 11. he did and yet new occasion did rise so that the Difference continued and rather increased between you by reason of which we were much troubled and our spirits often grieved and tired with the matter much of the Meeting being many times taken up with that business and our desires were that the man might see his own Weakness and shun it and therefore did we bare with him long not willing to cast him wholely off knowing there was a Principle of God in him for the sake of which many of us had a secret respect for him though we dealt plainly with him and thou thy self at a Meeting when we were determined to proceed against him desired Forbearance for thou hadst Hopes of the Man Witness Thomas Janney Henry Morrey And our long Forbearance which thou blamest us so much for calling it Neglect Injustice and false to our own Orders c. produced this at the last viz. that he upon the sending Thomas Wynne and his Brother Nathan to him they laying something before him came to see his Error and to condemn it and gave forth a Paper against himself the Copy of which is as followeth To all my dear Friends both Brethren and Sisters at their Quarterly-Meeting in Cheshire Chester the 9th of the 10th Moneth 1675. WHereas you out of love and tenderness towards me have ordered my Brother Nathan Maddock and Thomas Winne to come unto me to reason with me concerning those things charged in your Paper which things they clearly opened to my Vnderstanding to be Evil viz. My Burdening the Meeting sometimes with Words which they could not bear in speaking Evil against James Parke and Richard Smith and having Seperate Meetings which Friends do disown Moreover being at this time sensible of God's living Truth I do in the sense of the same condemn not only all those things aforesaid but all other that the Spirit of Truth condemns by you in that blessed and good Order wherein you are gathered yea dear Friends I do condemn the very spirit and ground of it and desire to live with you in that good and heavenly Order for evermore The Mark of Daniel VVV Maddock Witness Nathan Maddock Richard Hemlock Thomas Winne This may also further satisfie that the abovesaid was the true Desire of my own Heart D. M. And though thou sayest Thou knowest not upon what account we received it yet it was in order to give thee or any other that he had offended satisfaction Yet were we not satisfied with this only but also enjoyned his Brother Nathan to go to him and advise him as from us To go to thee and Condemn the thing before the Woman which was by when the words were spoke which accordingly he did and though thou art minded to say it was by reason of thy threatning to have him before the Mayor of the City but that is but thy Supposition but however we enjoyned him to do it and accordingly he did and therein our expectation was answered and thou at that time seemed satisfied and desired the Lord to forgive him and thou didst Witness Nathan Maddock Richard Hemlock Yet after all this to seek in all things to justifie thy self and render us and our proceedings as bad as thou canst is not Christian nor Friend-like but I do believe thou wilt miss of thy End in the minds of sober people unto whom I leave the consideration of these things to judge whether we deserve to be reflected upon after such a manner as thou dost in thy Book and whether thou deservest to be justified in so doing for my end chiefly in writing is to give satisfaction to such as may read both thine this And as to the thing thou chargest us with relating to Thomas Davanport I shall give a short Relation of the truth of the matter and leave it to the consideration of the sober Reader whether thou hast not wronged us in saying We received an Accusation from him against thee when thou wast absent Thomas Davanport had been long from amongst us and at that time Thomas Winne and Nathan Maddock went to D.M. they also went to Thomas Davanport and after some discourse together he saw he had not done well and ingenuously confessessed it and gave forth a Paper to condemn it the Copy is as followeth This is to all Friends in the Living and Eternal Truth THat whereas I have been judged to deny the Meetings and Assemblies of Friends and upon that account have abstained from Meetings and joyned my self to those that have denyed Meetings I do here testifie in the Presence of the Lord and bear my Testimony against that spirit that hath led from Meetings and doth lead from meetings particularly against that spirit that judged Friends for putting off their Hats kneeling in the time of publick Prayer and not only so but also bear my Testimony against that spirit of Imposition that keeps it on and as touching my marrying contrary to the good and heavenly Order that is now established among Friends I do condemn with the former and the Root and Ground that led me to it and whatsoever the blessed Spirit of God in the good Order of the same condemns I do from my Heart condemn and hereby desire that this may remove whatsoever Scruple may be in the hearts of any Friends in reference to these things aforesaid and I heartily desire in the sense of God's blessed Truth to be at Vnity with Friends in the same holy and good Order forever and for evermore With my whole heart I do freely consent to what is above written Thomas Davanport Iron-Bridge-house the 10th of the 10th Moneth 1675. Witnesses Nathan Maddock Thomas Wynne Which when we heard many of us were very glad of it having had long good will for him and really desired his good The next Quarterly-Meeting he came among us and having some discourse with him we advised him to go again to Meetings amongst us he answered Richard Smith had forbid him his house and he did not know whether he would be willing he should come thither or nay or words to this effect we told him We could not receive any thing against Richard Smith he not being there and therefore desired him to forbare and further William Gandy and others said unto him They would engage Richard Smith would be willing he should come into his house this was the occasion of those words from T. D. and our ●nswer and whether this were