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A85408 Philadelphia: or, XL. queries peaceably and inoffensively propounded for the discovery of truth in this question, or case of conscience; whether persons baptized (as themselves call baptism) after a profession of faith, may, or may not, lawfully, and with good conscience, hold communion with such churches, who judg themselves truly baptized, though in infancy, and before such a profession? Together with some few brief touches about infant, and after-baptism. By J.G. a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1653 (1653) Wing G1189; Thomason E702_7; ESTC R207109 25,228 32

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according to the order of Christ by others who themselves convey or dip under water their whole bodies leaving onely their heads above the water to be bowed down forced or thrust under water by the Baptizer Or is there either vola or vestigium little or much of such a practise as this to be found in the Scriptures where they speak of Baptism Or can he in any tolerable sence or construction be said to be the Architect or builder of a Turret or Steeple who onely setteth the Weather-cock on the top of it and not rather he who buildeth the rest of the body and Fabrick hereof XXX Whether is there any particular or express Institution of Baptism to be found in the Scriptures I mean any such Institution as there is of Circumcision and the Passover in the Old Testament or of the Lords Supper in the New or which prescribeth and determineth all circumstances essentiall unto Baptism as all the other do prescribe and determine all circumstances essentially requisite to their administrations respectively If not do not they {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} make themselves wise above that which is written constructively obtrude upon the consciences of men an Institution of their own in the Name of the Ordinance and Institution of God who undertake to prescribe and determine either particularity of subject or manner of Administration in Baptism XXXI Whether did not they amongst us or at least the generality and far greater part of them who have accepted and entred into the way of new-Baptism and at present walk in it receive that precious Faith from God together with all those Graces or fruits of the Spirit whereby they are whatsoever they are in Christ and towards God did they not I say receive all this blessedness from God under the dispensation of their Infant-Baptism Or is there one of a thousand of those ingaged in this new way who have added so much as the breadth of the least hair of their heads unto their former growth and stature in Christ I do not say by vertue or means of this their new Ingagement but since or after it Or is there not a visible and manifest change for the worse in very many of them and this in all probability occasioned by an overweening conceit that by means of their new baptizing they are more excellent then their Neighbours and too holy and near unto God to suffer themselves to be numbred amongst the members of other Churches Or do such things as these any way favour or strengthen the claim which their way of Baptizing makes of being a Divine Ordinance yea the onely true Baptism of God XXXII Whether amongst men and women whose consciences have at any time been surprized with a Religious conceit of a necessity of new Baptism and have accordingly submitted to it have not the most Christianly-meek and humble on the one hand and the most Judicious and Learned on the other hand upon a little experience of this way grown cool and very indifferent in their thoughts about it yea and many of them repented of their surprizal and weakness in this kind as Johannes O●colampadius Johannes Denkius Johannes Gaster men of great learning worth and humility with several others about Luthers dayes yea and some of like Character of late amongst our selves who might be named if it were necessary or meet XXXIII Whether because Baptism is termed the Baptism of Repentance {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} i. e. for or towards the remission of sins Mar 1. 4. doth it a whit more follow that children ought not to be Baptized either because they cannot repent or because they have no sins to be remitted unto them then it doth that children ought not to have been circumcised considering that Circumcision the nature of it and counsell of God in it considered may as truly be called the Circumcision of Repentance for the remission of sins as Baptism The Baptism of Repentance for the Remission of sins yea the Apostle Paul himself giveth a definition of Circumcision for substance and import of matter the same with that of Baptism when he calleth it the seal of the righteousness of Faith Rom. 4. 11. and however Children are altogether as uncapable of Faith as they are of Repentance and have no more need of the righteousness of Faith then they have of remission of sins these being but one and the same thing XXXIV Whether when the Apostle Peter speaketh thus to his new Converts Acts 2. 38 39. Repent and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost For the promise is to you and to your children c. Doth he so much enjoyn or exhort them to Repent in order to their being baptized as encourage them both unto the one duty and the other upon the account of the Promise relating both to them and their children and the certainty of its being fulfilled and made good unto them both upon their Repentance and submission unto Baptism respectively And if their title unto and interest in the Promise be a ground or motive unto them the Parents to be baptized is not the like title and interest in the children a ground and motive also why they should be baptized XXXV Whether doth God smell the assemblies or in the assemblies of those who judg themselves the onely Baptized persons under Heaven with any such pleasure or delight as he smelleth many the assemblies of those who are called Unbaptized by the other Or are the Church-meetings of the former filled with the glory and presence of God at any such rate or to any such degree as many the holy assemblies of the latter are Or are there any such manifestations of the Spirit either in gifts or in graces in the tabernacles of the Baptized as there are amongst those who bear the reproach of Vnbaptized Or are the powers of the world to come any wayes so busie active and stirring in the Churches which call themselves Baptized as they are in many the congregations which are cast out to the Gentiles as unclean and Un-baptized Or is not that good word of God the Scriptures as a sealed book in many the assemblies of the former whereas even the deep things of God contained in it are by the Holy Ghost revealed in many Churches of the latter Or are such differences as these of no authority interest or import to umpire or decide the controversie depending between the two Baptisms XXXVI Whether are not children oft-times in Scripture comprehended under or with their Parents men and women c. where they are not expresly mentioned or named and particularly Jos. 25. 26. 1 Cor. 10. 1 2 * even as Subjects are under the names of their Kings and Families and Descents under the names of their Heads c. Yea are not both women and children to be understood where men only are