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A86328 The foundation of the font discovered to the view of all that desire to behold it. And, the baptizing of men and women when they believe (in rivers and fountains) proved to be a standing ordinance in the Church of Cchrist to the end of the world; by plain Scripture-proof. In answer to Mr. Cook's Font uncovered, for infant-baptism; and Mr. Baxter's Plain Scripture-proof for infants church-membership and baptism. With a word sometimes upon occasion to Mr. Hall's Font-guarded; which is more fully answered by Thomas Collyer. By Henry Haggar, a servant of Christ, and the congregations of his saints. Haggar, Henry. 1653 (1653) Wing H186; Thomason E711_1; ESTC R207114 109,478 143

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christ_n 1._o by_o suppose_v the_o thing_n to_o be_v so_o without_o proof_n say_v if_o mr._n tomb_n can_v do_v such_o thing_n etc._n etc._n 2._o by_o insinuate_v into_o the_o affection_n of_o man_n and_o woman_n persuade_v they_o that_o it_o be_v so_o without_o question_n and_o say_v be_v not_o every_o good_a man_n sensible_a of_o the_o deceitfulness_n of_o his_o own_o heart_n and_o that_o he_o need_v all_o help_n against_o it_o etc._n etc._n and_o will_v it_o be_v no_o temptation_n to_o mr._n tomb_n to_o be_v frequent_o employ_v in_o baptise_v maid_n naked_a let_v he_o search_v and_o judge_v methinks_v say_v he_o the_o very_a mention_n of_o it_o can_v i_o avoid_v it_o be_v immodest_a answ_n i_o wonder_v why_o mr._n baxter_n say_v if_o he_o can_v avoid_v it_o what_o can_v he_o not_o avoid_v speak_v of_o untruth_n be_v he_o predestinate_v to_o be_v a_o liar_n and_o insinuate_v into_o people_n heart_n as_o if_o the_o thing_n be_v certain_o true_a which_o be_v but_o his_o own_o supposition_n and_o then_o he_o say_v again_o methink_v minister_n shall_v have_v regard_n to_o themselves_o and_o not_o go_v so_o frequent_o into_o the_o cold_a water_n so_o often_o to_o baptize_v other_o answ_n true_o they_o be_v careful_a enough_o for_o they_o never_o meddle_v with_o so_o good_a a_o work_n but_o i_o know_v mr._n baxter_n be_v a_o lover_n of_o his_o own_o self_n and_o can_v give_v other_o of_o his_o brethren_n the_o same_o counsel_n and_o great_a need_n for_o good_a man_n be_v scarce_o they_o have_v need_n take_v heed_n they_o do_v not_o kill_v themselves_o in_o the_o service_n of_o christ_n but_o it_o be_v very_o like_a that_o the_o zeal_n