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A77956 Something in answer to a book called Choice experiences, given forth by one J. Turner. Also the copy of a letter sent to the assembly of those that are called anabaptists in Newcastle. Wherein the simple minded ones may see the deceit of those people, who take up the practises of others, by imitation and tradition from the Scriptures, not having the same commands themselves, as the saints alwayes had, from the spirit of the Lord. And that Christ in the saints, which is their hope of glory, is the same Christ that was crucified by the Jews, who is the lambe slaine from the foundation of the world. Also the difference between the saints who waite on the Lord for the moving if his spirit to be acted, when, and as he please; and formalists of these dayes, who in their owne wills and time practice their imitations of duties and ordinances, which the Lord abhorres. By a servant of the Lord, named of the world Edward Burrough. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1654 (1654) Wing B6025; Thomason E816_2; ESTC R207361 11,095 15

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Something in Answer to a Book called CHOICE EXPERIENCES Given forth by one J. TVRNER Also the Copy of a Letter sent to the Assembly of those that are called Anabaptists in Newcastle Wherein the simple minded ones may see the deceit of those people who take up the practises of others by imitation and tradition from the Scriptures not having the same commands themselves as the Saints alwayes had from the spirit of the Lord. And that Christ in the Saints which is their hope of glory is the same Christ that was crucified by the Jews who is the Lambe slaine from the foundation of the World Also the difference between the Saints who waite on the Lord for the moving if his Spirit to he acted when and as he please And Formalists of these dayes who in their owne wills and time practice their imitations of Duties and Ordinances which the Lord abhorres By a Servant of the Lord named of the World Edward Burrough Printed in the Year of the worlds accompt 1654. I Have met with a Book called Choyce experiences given forth by one I Turner who by John Spilsbery in his Epistle is called a Daughter of Syon and her selfe declareth in the 109. pag. of her Booke of being brought out of Babylon into Syon but all along through her Booke her language is one and the same before her comming out of Babylon and in Syon as she saith her language is the language of Babylon wholly and she is yet a servant in bondage in Babylon unto the Mistresse of Witchcraft and never came to witnesse freedom in Syon for I know her voyce it s the language of her City where she now dwells which is in confusion in Babylon And whereas she declares of some particulars which she calls Deceits whereby she was deceived in the 109 pag. in that which she calls the fifth note of experience concerning notions and pretended spiritualities in which Satan transformes himselfe into an Angel of light and how the Lord was pleased to recover her out of deceit I answer It is plain to the spirituall man which discernes of truth and deceit that she is yet deceived and unrecovered out of deceit and here I charge her that she belves the Lord for he hath not recovered her out of deceit for she hath 〈◊〉 him in that work as is made appeare in her Book and she is now in notion and not in power and in pretended spiritualities and not really in the spirit and Satan is now transformed in her into an Angel of light by which she is deceived and whereas she talkes of her choyce experiences death yet raignes in her and is no whi● subdued I speake as in the presence of the Lord who am moved to lay open her deceit to the simple who doth blaspheme the God of Heaven in his Saints in calling truth error and calling that deceit which by the spirit of the Lord I owne to be truth and calls those corrupt principles which was owned by the servants of the Lord in former generations and which is owned now by them which witnesse the same spirit which spirit of Christ she makes appeare she knowes not who hath de●yed him and salvation by him within Whereas she speaks of Satan envying her happinesse and waits his opportunity to catch her as a Fish in the Water covering his hooke with a baite of Mystery and spiritually I answer She is yet in the power of Satan he hath already catched her with his covered hooke which is covered with a very faire outside a faire forme of truth a likenesse of it with the likenesse of a Church and of a Baptisme and of a Fellowship c. is she beguiled already and is unhappy through the opportunities which the Devil hath wayted over her for she is under the curse lying in the fall and enmity And whereas she speaks Of having of es●a●ed him in his former appearances as a Devill yet now transforme himselfe a an ●ngel of light I answer She hath not escaped him as a Devill and here she is a lyer for his appearance 〈◊〉 her in ly ng and in speaking evill of those things she know●s no● and he is transformed in her as an Angel of light but she 〈…〉 but lyes in darkenesse in the my fiery of in●●●ty 〈…〉 and the pretence of spirituality And she 〈◊〉 〈…〉 are so deceived are the fittest Agenes to prome●● 〈◊〉 K●●g●●m●● I answer Here it is made manifest she who 〈…〉 Devill doth much promote his Kingdome 〈…〉 hands of evill doers who through her 〈…〉 hearts against the truth Whereas she speaks O● 〈…〉 ●●●ing persons by corrupt principles which they would 〈…〉 at the thought of before they had such principles I answer ●●●is is her own condition she is drawn by Satan to follow 〈…〉 principles which if she did see she would tremble at 〈…〉 of them And she saith God was not onely pleased to 〈…〉 from such things but to discover the wa● by which person 〈◊〉 brought to such things I answer Here againe I charge her that she belies the Lord which is blasphemy for he hath not 〈◊〉 her from corrupt principles he would but she hath refi●●ed him and the discovery from God to her will be pl●gr●● and woe for death and darknesse raigne● which makes manifest themselves in her which is her discovery She speak 〈◊〉 avoyding those wayes and forewarning others to avoyd them likewise I answer She hath not avoyded the waves of darkenesse but hath chosen them and hath avoyded the way of truth as is made manifest which hath dented salvation by Christ within and as she hath avoyded the way of truth her selfe so she casts a stumbling-blocke in the way of the simple to a avoyd it likewise Whereas she speaks of discovering Satan under these vayles and saith by harkening to the voyce of the tempter she was deceived and beguiled by him in some perticular things I answer Satan is not yet discovered to her but lyes under his vayle in Flesh deceiving her and by her hearkening to the voyce of the tempter she is now deceived by him not in few things but in many I speake it as in the presence of the Lord which shall judge of her and me And she speaks of ever being humbled in the presence of God for it I answer When the dreadfull God shews his presence she cannot stand but shall be confounded who doth here speake to the dishonour of his name True humility she knowes not for the man of sin is exalted in her above all that is called God And whereas she speaks of beginning to be somewhat confused in her iudgement and she speaks of not being swallowed up with confusion I answer She is in confusion and hath never been out of it as to every single eye may appeare she is not somewhat in confusion but is rowled and swallowed up in it and it is long since it began in her Whereas she speaks of being weake in Principles I answer