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A54506 The dialogue betwixt Cit and Bumpkin answered in another betwixt Tom the Cheshire piper, and Captain Crackbrains dedicated to Right Worshipful the Mayor of Quinborough. E. P. 1680 (1680) Wing P17; ESTC R5521 23,355 40

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none was ever yet so impudent to assert in terms what he makes his Cit to do and truly I do believe he is of the Cit's Opinion that a thing may be sin in one which is not in another for lying though it be a sin in most men is not so in him as he thinks he otherways would not have so much used it Capt. How came you Tom Piper to be such a distinguisher I did not expect it from you Tom. My Mother was a Parsons Daughter had little to her Portion but a few Books and Sermon Notes of her Fathers which I used to read at spare times to the Neighbourhood and so became thus skilful Capt. Well what think you of his clawing the Rogues off for their old Rebellion is 't not manly and brave Tom. It is a thing that has been said a thousand times when it was so but now it looks like breaking the Act of Oblivion a thing that his Majesty to his Immortal Honour holds sacred such a little Rat as he methinks should not be nibling when the Lyon is unconcerned Capt. Cit and Bumkin drunk and why may not we within then two Pots and shut the door after you But what thinkst thou Tom to page 26. is it not an excellent facetious discourse displaying Villalany in its proper colours Tom. It is rather a teaching people how to be Villains like your fashionable Plays teach more sins than they reprove Capt. My Cousin cannot I see get your good word but I 'll make you Friends Tom. As how Capt. You 'l Pipe at his Wifes next Churching and then I 'm sure the half Guinney and the Frumenty will please you Tom. Let it alone till then but in the mean time I 'll give a short account of my Sentiments of those ten Pages Capt. Let 's have it then Tom. He begins with comparing Presbyterians and Jesuites a thing now that is trite and thred-bare there is a Book called Lysimachus Nicanor that has done it more to the purpose writ near forty years agone but yet in his rails upon the later he speaks Ironically of the Plot when he calls the Jesuits the Heads of it upon the King c. as a man must needs conclude that reads the whole discourse especially if that Author had any intelligence or correspondence with the Author of the Further Discovery dedicated to Dr. Titus Oates and that flourish might have been as decently saved besides his Pen too much resembles a Cleaver cuts only one way as a man may easily observe by his constant pinching upon that party for the 1641. business a thing that none of them has the face now publickly to justifie and his passing by the Rebellion of Ireland accompanied with the murder of nigh a million of Protestants without the least Reflection though that Villany be yet justified or at least not owned to be so by that Party as it was at first abetted by the Pope and then after all as if he would make himself compleatly wicked he scandalizes the Protestant Religion which the late King of blessed Memory own'd that he fought for as may be seen yet by his Declarations and the Inscription upon his Coyns stampt at the beginning of the late Rebellion for by that is meant as he makes his Citizen say the Religion of the Dissenters from the Church a distinction that the late blessed Martyr would not have thanked him for Capt. I perceive you are very poynant upon my Friend still but go on Tom. Then he goes on with teaching a method of Villany which he would call discovering to inflame the Nation and widen the Breaches betwixt the King and his People for why else should he amongst other things lay such a stress upon the Kings being one of the three Estates and make such damn'd inferences a thing decried by all sober men because declared otherwise in the Preambles of several Acts of Parliament and yet the good King in a Message to the two Houses owned three Estates when the Bishops were by Act removed of which by consequence he must be one but that may be look'd upon considering the novelty of that disposition to be a lapse in the Secretary and so no weight to be laid upon it I refer you to the Declaration bearing date from York June 13. 1642. Then he falls upon the light and foolish antick Gestures of the Conventiclers with their fond Metaphors not worth answering because none so foolish as to adjust them then he goes on as if the Plot was only a Blind to enrage People and that there was a real Design to destroy the Hierarchy and all the Sons of the Church by the name of the Papists in Masquerade and get all the places of profit to themselves Capt. Is not that very well hinted Tom. What are you a hinter and a holder-forth so it 's well hinted of buzzing into the peoples Ears to dispose them to Rebellion of the Emperour of Morocco's landing upon Salisbury-Plain 35000 light Horse-men and a great many other Fopperies not worth taking notice on Capt. To say truth there are a great many little things in it but there must be something to fill up or else it would not come to account it would not advance from the Stationer any thing considerable Tom. But he should have studied propriety of things to have made 'em pass the better Is it not think you a well laid thing to make his Bumkin whom he represents a cunning projecting canting Knave to bring in a story by the Head and shoulders of Moses and the ten Tables and correcting himself with a thundering Oath one that he afterward makes justifying the three Estates and other intrigues of Politiques it might have passed had he laid the Scene amongst his Friends in Flanders and then saying that he had read in a Book that the Bishops in H. Eighth's time made the ten Commandements and make foolish inferences from thence too The whole thing is a lye for no man ever yet read any such thing in a Book but in his scurrilous Pamphlet the nearest to it is what Bishop Spotswood reports of the Priests in Scotland about that time That they would have made the common people believe the more to incense them against Patrick Hamilton and the Gospellers of that Age that Martin Luther and his Complices made the New Testament or at least St. Paul's Epistles but touch not mine annointed I hope the ingenious Author is too wise to make reflections of that nature But I perceive you care not what reflections you make upon my friend Tom. Your friend is unknown to me he should have set his name and then it may be he had been safer but I suppose his modesty would not permit it Capt. Well is this all you have to say Tom. There needs not I think but one word more at last he falls foul by his Cit upon Le Strange whom he calls Dog in a doublet or worse but after all he ends in a
be unuseful in the circumstance of present affairs from the male administration inseparably annext to Bodies Politique where as the Bishop of Quinque Ecclesiae complains deservedly of the packt Council of Trent votes are numbred and not weighed and very unlikely to be otherwayes I am afraid the East India and African Companies practise doth not at all make against what I shall offer whose methods so are uneasie to those unfortunate men that have any concern amongst them without great purses that the greatest Extortioner or flee Flint in nature would singly be ashamed on yet in the croud every thing passes for Justice Now least your worship should have your Spouses longing to know what I would be at I tell you that all Societies of men incorporated together though by the strictest tyes of religion and Justice are to be postponed to the Government of a single person you 'l say then how shall we be safe in our concerns if one man be the sole Judge of good and evil I grant where a Despotical power is exercised as it is almost in all Monarchies but here the Subject is intirely in the Princes power but that being a thing so extravagant and contrary to the Law it were impious to fear it considering the benignity of our Prince But what I say now is by way of comparison that a Despotical Government nay and under the greatest Tyrant in nature is to be preferred before any sort of incorporated power for the Tyrant may reform as Manasses did however he must die and his Successor may make amends for his extravagancies The wicked Achaz was succeeded by the good Hezekiah whereas an incorporated power called by what name you will never did amend and which is the insufferable plague of it is immortal If now the greatest Tyranny of a Single Person be to be preferred before the government of many how religiously in common prudence and justice to our selves ought we to acquiesce under our present condition the happiness of which I shall neither trouble you nor my self to enlarge upon You may say now all this is foreign to the matter in hand if so I cannot much deny it but only I being the first that made this kind of address to your Worship I do the boldlier take upon me the part of a Libertine in the way of it as being unwilling to tye my self up to any form soever we must now say somewhat of the discourse pretended to be answered viz. The Dialogue betwixt Cit and Bumkin it hath a great vogue in the World for an Author of no mean account gives this indelible character Those that will bestow twelve pence on two Books brimful of sense good nature and discretion let them purchase both first and second Part of those learned discourses Cit and Bumpkin But now Authors vary whether this great craracter was figurative or no to incline to the affirmative there is an Advertisement subjoyned how a Gentleman may live by his fingers ends scribble thread-bare extravagancies two and forty times over and each time answer them himself and so for want of another Adversary reply rejoyn surrejoyn all alone toties quoties as his pinching necessities shall require written originally in that Babylonish language by Quevedo's Ghost translated by Don Splutterado Knight of the craving Fob But it is now fit that I should give your worship a reason of my undertaking the chief thing induced me to it was the just disdain I had that such a Pigmy should attacque so boldly and by so opprobrious names such considerable orders of men as he brings under that name of which there is some account given in the following Colloquy Now if his friends object that the language is too tart upon him let them consider his own methods of using others but he may be more excusable for it than his Opponent considering the Academy of Newgate which though as be says is famous for breeding politick men yet for polite and soft language it s not inferiour to the Nunnery of Billings-gate You may object Sir if you please too why no sooner when some Authors write Books as fast as Jugers spue Ribands but you may see by that your Worships Oratour does not write for daily bread whatever others do I should not have said much more in this case but that there is lately printed an abusive Paper called Popery in Masquerade in Skeldry which by the Authors favour I think a great friend to the Author of Cit and Bumpkin by his listing Dick and Tom the pretended answer to that Discourse amongst those Pamphlets he calls seditious and therefore I must animadvert a little upon the thing it self as likewise upon that method As to the thing or print it self it is sufficiently libellous and scandalous for it is not so much a dumb narrative of what 's past as a Scheme of what he would intimate is at present designed That it is not a narrative of what 's past I offer this the things are so mistimed for he displays all the Rabble of Sects upon a consult joyntly petitioning J. Presbyter Chairman now he that knows any thing must know and that Author is old enough for a personal knowledge in that Case that those Sects of Muggletonians Quakers especially J. Naylor who suffered his punishment by order of a number of men called a Parliament in the Protectorate of Oliver were not so much as heard of when John the Presbyter was Chairman nay the Independents themselves were not lookt upon as considerable at that time tho' afterwards they supplanted their elder Brother at such a rate that the time wherein he layes his hopeful harmony for petitions the Presbyterians had as little power perhaps as they have now But to make your Worship the better able to understand my observations upon his Plate I must give you a short description of it first he sets the Presbyterian in a chair in a ridiculous dress assisted by all the rabble of Sects as Adamites Ranters and what not as Counsellors then he brings the petitioners which are only Swash and the Elders maid the Colchester Quaker the Mare petitioning against Bishops Service-Book Popish Lords and evil Counsellours and thanks given them by the Presbyterians which by the way is a great want of Charity in him for tho' those of kind petitions was only the result of minds that desired nothing but matter for quarrel yet none of the four are like our articles of faith necessary to salvation might if the Government had thought fit have been altered at pleasure without breach either of Gods Law or mans therefore t ose Petitioners ought not in common good manners tho they deserved a very severe reprimam to be so ranked for those kind of Best alitie were never charged which the well natured Author would intimate ought to be upon the decryed Party But observe it all along he is a Gentleman of singular manners as well as discretion to bring in the
panegyrick of his wsedome To 'em Make a noise Tom as out of a Closet Capt. I do not like this eves-dropping yet I hope I have said nothing that I need care who hears however Tom the Pudding-pie-man is a good honest fellow I have wasted some pence with him Make a noise Tom. Come Gentlemen you have been in eager discourse but I did hear the subject matter of it very well Tom. I was only making some passionate observations upon a Book twice or thrice printed called Cit and Bumkin which he undertook wholly and in every part to defend Make a noise Tom. What you Captain Crackfart turn'd Advocate must Cicero pro Milone be reacted by you with a horse pox to your Captainship How long is it since I relieved you and a thin starved thing yclipped your Boy with ten peny worth of Pudding pies when you and he had lived three days upon stewed fiddle-strings I tell thee Tom Piper how this fellow came by the doughty name of Captain he was a foot Souldier in Olivers time and upon a march stole a live Pike in an Inn out of a Pale and put it into his Breeches because he saw his Comrade had done the like to a Barbel but presently his manful roars made a discovery so he was Cashiered pretended it was for his Loyalty and from that time dubb'd himself Captain But as to the discourse I tell thee Old Souldier that if he or thou or any body that wears a head God bless the King should have call'd or shall call me by the contemptible name of Cit though I be but free of the Porters Company I would and will if ever it be any mans ill luck so to do all to be pudding-pie his Calves head What Cit Capt. How I am now like to be worried betwixt these two learned men Tom Piper and Make a noise Tom the Pudding Wright Well well but though you quarrel my friend for his names of Cit and Bumkin yet Mr Truman speaks very heavenly by the same Authors directions speak against that if you dare the best of you Make a noise T. Mr. Truman speaks truly of the Papists but not all that a true Son of the Church might have said he says in answer to the Charge that the Papists Loyalty was in their own defence being in a manner necessitated to that side that it was better if so than fighting against the King and further that no man drew his sword in the opposite cause but known Separatists and that not one Separatist struck in the Kings quarrel he might have added if he had though fit that after the King was outed not one Papist ever entred into a Plot for his Restitution but the whole truth was not his business whereas the Schismaticks as he boldly enough calls some sort of men asserted the Kings Cause in the lowest Ebb and that so bravely both by outward force and other less visible endeavours that the Kings Restitution must be ascribed to them as to the second cause which made some amends for their former devitation I tell thee Crack-brain had the King had no better friends than the Papists he had never seen the English shore again Capt. But have you read on Make a noise T. Yes and find the business about the three Estates repeated over again to no purpose wherein the learned Author has with great reputation to himself proved the Snow white Cap. But what think you of his bringing in Le strange's Epistle to the History of the Plot is not that a heeler Make a noise T. Like the rest for I have not much to say about that Gentleman either pro or con for they say he is a very pretty man at small matters but those two Authors do most harmoniously agree in driving on and fixing a worse Plot upon the Non Conformists which they both are careful to improve which is by their favour a setting up of the worship of false Gods to lessen if not to destroy the worship of the true one so whilst they would alarm the Nation with this Chymera of a Plot to be found no where but in their learned Brains the true Plot will weather off or which is worse go on Cap. I think you are as hard to please as Tom Piper I had thought you had revered Mr. Strange at another rate than to speak so indifferently of him Make a noise T. Indifferently do you call it I wonder that I or any other good Subject should do so especially when it is considered who licensed Humane Reason that Book that deserved to be burnt by the common Hangman as a great Lord said some bodies else did Cap. But did not he say then in excuse that he would license an answer to it Make a noise T. It may be so but that resolves into this that he would license any thing for the Fees of it Capt. I 'le tell him what you say and then i' faith he 'l maul you in a Ballad with nows the time as well as he hath done somebody else Tom Piper Pray Gentlemen not so fast fair and softly goes far on a day Capt. But do you hear Make a noise Tom how do you like Mr. Trumans description of the duty of Subjects and Kings Make a noise T. I shall tell you my mind as to that too for I have read the Book o'r and we Pie-men are old Dog at Politiques in this communicative age Well now as to that by multitude of questions he perplexes the Cause for if he layed down for his position this truth That in no Cases whatsoever it can be lawful for a Subject to arm against his Prince there had been then no Room for a shift but he makes his Cit ask a knavish question What if a King will transgress all the Laws of God and man may not the People resume their trust The answer is in the negative but a man might have shap'd another answer as pertinent Capt. As how Make a noise T. When God gives over Kings to be wholly led by their sensual appetites and to lay aside all manner of Justice he often suffers the People to be so too for the world is rather governed by example than Precept There are many sad examples of that kind as of Don Pedro the cruel of Castile stabb'd to death by his Bastard Brother Winceslaus King of Bohemia once imprisoned and when he had by miracle recovered his Estate grew so barbarously cruel to all ranks of men that upon Citizens of Prague rose as one man against him upon which news being in the Castle he fell into a fit of an Apoplexy and died suddenly Christiern the second of Denmark who was deposed by his Unkle Frederick And of later years Sultan Ibrahim the Great Turk who was for his outragious lusts and other extravagancies deposed and strangled in the Seragilo There is a living example of that kind Sebastian of Portugal set aside and imprisoned by his Brother who now injoys