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A88693 Suspension reviewed, stated, cleered and setled upon plain scripture-proof. Agreeable to the former and late constitutions of the Protestant Church of England and other reformed churches. Wherein (defending a private sheet occasionally written by the author upon this subject, against a publique pretended refutation of the same, by Mr W. in his book, entituled, Suspension discussed.) Many important points are handled; sundry whereof are shortly mentioned in the following page. Together with a discourse concering private baptisme, inserted in the epistle dedicatory. / By Samuel Langley, R.S. in the county palatine of Chester. Langley, Samuel, d. 1694. 1658 (1658) Wing L405; Thomason E1823_2; ESTC R209804 201,826 263

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fornication_n and_o continue_v obstinate_o under_o the_o guilt_n thereof_o visible_o in_o some_o particular_a church_n and_o yet_o it_o follow_v not_o thence_o that_o such_o wickedness_n if_o commit_v and_o be_v notorious_a be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a cause_n of_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n and_o our_o present_a case_n as_o to_o the_o probability_n of_o its_o occur_v be_v the_o like_a psalm_n 119._o part_n 13._o n._n 97_o nothing_n i_o love_v as_o thy_o law_n high_a which_o i_o mind_v all_o the_o day_n 98_o none_o of_o my_o foe_n be_v wise_a as_o i._o '_o cause_v thy_o hest_n with_o i_o stay_v 99_o norknow_n my_o guide_n that_o which_o i_o do_v for_o all_o thy_o law_n i_o mind_n 100_o nay_o more_o than_o the_o ancient_n i_o do_v know_v when_o i_o thy_o statute_n bind_v 101_o naughty_a way_n i_o have_v shun_v all_o that_o i_o may_v keep_v thy_o word_n 102_o nor_n from_o the_o judgement_n turn_v i_o shall_v for_o thou_o have_v teach_v i_o lord_n 103_o nothing_n sweet_a as_o thy_o word_n 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