Discourse that past between T. P. and my self which Account given by me I shall stand by and I could have added something more that at that time passed between us which might have tended further to the manifesting of his Folly but I did not at that time think it material to the Controversie that was then and is still between us but inasmuch as he hath undertaken to give forth a Narrative and to tell his Reader it s a True One when indeed much of it is false and its much short of giving an Account of much of our Proceedings and the Fairness of our Dealings to him is omitted but such is the Practice of many who would assume to themselves the Name of Gospel Ministers and pretend to the People that Scripture is their Rule and the only Rule of Eaith and Practice and when we call to them for plain Scripture for the proving of their Doctrine though so fundamental that they confide in it and upon it lay the whole stress of their Salvation we cannot obtain it but instead thereof they give us their dark Meanings and feigned humble Conceivings and their Hopes though vain that its according to it as this my Adversary hath done who hath passed over much of the material Passages of my Book and hath taken no notice of them and yet as I said before calls his Pamphlet an Answer to it for Proof whereof I refer my Reader to the 8th page of my Book which is as followeth But Thomas Powel having now in print declared that he meant by Imputation then we must read his words thus I Thomas Powell Minister of the Gospel affirms Jesus Christ was the Greatest Sinner in the World by Imputation Now T. P. with the rest of the Divines of thy Way give us plain Scripture that saith Jesus Christ was by Peter Paul or any of the Ministers of the Gospel affirmed to be the Greatest Sinner in the World by Imputation and give us plain Scripture that saith He took the Guilt of our â—ins upon him for though it is said Isa 53.6 That he laid upon him the Iniquity of us all or as the Hebrew word hath it He made the Iniquity of us all to meet on him or as in the 10th Verse it is said He was made an Offering for Sin it doth not say he was gulity of Sin Now T. P. give us plain Scripture that saith Jesus Christ by taking bearing or suffering for Sinners that he became guilty of Sin and that he was the Greatest of Sinners and give us a plain Scripture that saith He hath more Sins to answer for then any particular Sinner For although I have read of the Sins of David whom I suppose you do believe was an Elect Person whose Sins were as in Scripture recorded Murder and Adultery yet I do not find by any Testimony of Scripture that Jesus Christ was guilty of David's Sins nor of Paul's Sins who was a Persecutor of him in his Members nor of Peter's Sin who denyed him And T. P. I query with thee Whether thou be an Elect Person or nay if yea then tell me whether Jesus Christ be guilty of thy Lyes some of which are hereafter mentioned viz. T.P. affirmed That he had writ the word Imputation but the Original being shewed his Lye appeared and then he said he had writ the word Imputation but that John Vaughton * Note After T. P. had writ Jesus Christ was the greatest Sinner in the World and had laid the Paper by and after several words more had past between us he said God made the Devil and I gave him the same Paper again and in it he writ God gave the Devil his Being And of this I have Witness snacht his Paper from him and this also was and is testified to be a Lye So much of my Book and more that might be mentioned he hath not taken notice of it and it standeth over his Head And now I shall proceed to clear my self from the Lyes that he would cast upon me for they are his and not mine I shall begin with the first that he charges me with which is in the 2d page of his Book his Words are these If J. Vaughton had been a Christian he would have done like a Christian i. e. done me right by acquainting the World that though Thomas Bye denied the Word Imputation as spoken by me before yet he denied not but that it was spoken by me just after it was written Reader is not T. P. in a passion thinks thou or void of Understanding first to note me as a Liar and then to query whether I am a Christian or no and at another time to conclude me to be none and to charge me with doing him wrong because I did not tell the World that he spoke the Word Imputation after he had written when he had told the World himself and had brought his Witness to prove it a thing that I did not in my Book contradict that which I contradicted him for was his saying that he mentioned the Word Imputation before he gave me those Words under his Hand viz. Iesus Christ was the greatest Sinner in the World I Thomas Powel Minister of the Gospel affirms so that his saying and bringing his Witness to prove that he spoke the Word Imoutation before was and is a Lye and for his saying he can produce the Original under T. B's Hand but this neither proves the Words true nor I. Vaughton a Liar as T. P. would have it who after all his Busle doth confess tâ—at his Witness having called to Mind cannot remember that T. P. had the Word Imputation before but for all this T. P. makes a great Noise and in page 3. saith that he doth not say positively he had it not and counts Iohn Vaugâ—ton as a flagitious Relator what his Witness now saith is not the matter but what his witness did then confess and acknowledge that is it I related in the 8th page of my Boâ—k i. e. Thomas Powel did not speak nor mention the Word Imputation before he wrote those Words Now if this be not a positive Assertion tell me what is one and then let me know whether thou hast not abus'd me in accounting me a flagitious Relater and thy Witness also by getting desiring or procuring him who cannot read writing to subscribe as a Witness to that which he cannot call to mind will this evidence pass or be taken by any that 's consciencious but this is T. P's Witness still who indeed hath said he is not willing to have T. Powel run down but he will help him what he can though to little purpose except it be to ensnare himself So its evident the Lie is between T. Powel and his witness and I am clear of it but T. P. saith to clear him from the â—ie a thing he would not be guilty on for a World believe him who will I cannot so long as I can trace him in them but T. P.
said that T. B. said to clear him though he could not remember the Word Imputation before yet he gave him his Hand freely and voluntarily The greater is his wickedness if it be so and he must bear his Burden Another Lie of John Vaughton's as he falsly terms it is in the 9th page of my Book where in I make use of William Farrinton's Name telling my Reader that he said T. P. was a Liar and that he had told many Lies about it though Thomas Powel counts this a Lie and saith William Farrinton denieth it yet I can prove it by a witness who heard him speak it and William Farrinton since hath given it under his Hand that T. P. hath spoken some Vntruths about it I would have this Equivocater to tell me what Difference there is between an Untruth and a Lye but he saith that William Farrinton said If he knew him to be a Liar which I question not but he doth yet he would not have told such as the Quakers What he means by such I need not much inquire but that he hath since T. P's Book was written told the Quakers that T. P. had spoken divers Vntruths about it so that I shall still note T. P. for a L The third thing that he charges upon me as a Lye is no Lye of mine the matter is this That W. F. upon sight of what T. P. had written said he would not stand by his Words for 10000. Worlds and that he should not preach in his Meeting-House till he had publickly condemned it did he publickly condemn it before he preacht no such matter then no Lye of mine but he saith Note And W. F. in whose meeting house he preacht did when he had done stand up and publickly condemn'd what T. P. brought in Vindication of his Doctrine out of Luther that I know that he condemned it in a Sermon He might be ashamed of his Confiidence if he is not past it for instead of condemning it he told the People he hoped he had proved that Evangelical Doctrine which was that Jesus Christ was the greatest Sinner in the World as he affirmed the People at that time being desired to turn to their proof to see whether he had done it many answered No nor never could but T. P. tells me he doth now condemn it as I in my Ignorance take it page 4. viz. That he was a Sinner Actually Why Ignorance It 's Blasphemy to affirm that Christ Jesus was a Sinner by Action or Imputation for though wicked men did say Christ was a Sinner yet they could not convince him of Sin and God doth not impute Christ a Sinner that never committed Sin and Christ cannot justly be imputed a Sinner except he had committed Sin for he only is a Sinner that committeth Sin which Christ never did therefore no Sinner by Action nor Imputation in God's account for it is evident that Sinners are out of a converted estate and are in Error as in James 5.20 Let him know that he that converteth a Sinner from the Error of his Way shall save a Soul from Death c. but Christ Jesus was never in Error therefore no Sinner for God is holy and pure forever and Christ Jesus is the Brightness of his Glory and the express Image of his Father's Substance c. Heb. 1.3 It is said Mat. 9.14 Christ came not to call the Righteous but Sinners to Repentance if Christ was the greatest Sinner in the World as T. P. hath affirmed then the greatest Sinner calls the lesser to Repentance which is absurd Again Rom. 5.8 God commended his Love to us in that whilest we were yet Sinners Christ died for us If Christ Jesus was the greatest Sinner in the World as T. P. hath affirmed then the greatest Sinner died for the lesser which is contrary to the Apostle Peter's Testimony as it 's recorded in 1 Pet. 3.18 Christ also hath suffered for Sin the Just for the Vnjust that he might bring many to God Again James 4.8 Cleanse your Hands ye Sinners and purifie your Hearts ye double minded So that by this Scripture it doth also appear that SINNERS are in an unclean Estate and have need of cleansing and if the lesser Sinners have Need much more the greatest for so T.P. hath affirmed Christ Jesus was And though he calls himself a Minster of the Gospel yet is he an Enemy to God and Christ also a Contradicter of plain Scripture Testimony and such is his Wickedness against us that when we have given our Belief of Christ Jesus and have confessed unto him in all his Manifestation both within and without in plain Words such as our Adversary confesses in themselves good yet unsavourily sayes he smells a Quakers Rat in them and he doth also avouch That all we say concerning Christ without is but a meer Equivocation vide page 10. of T. P 's Book and yet our Adversaries do confess though to the Contradiction of themselves that it is but a reasonable Thing for Persons to give their own Meanings to their own Words but this reasonable Thing we have not yet obtained from them The fourth Lye he charges John Vaughton with is his denying the Quakers to be no Christians The Quakers are Christians and Christ is the hope of their Glory and J. V. no Lyar in denying the contrary and T. P. saith the Quakers have been proved no Christians that I deny except such Quakers as have been of the Forger's making And for his terming Thomas Hicks an ingenuous Man for undertaking to prove the Quakers Hetrodox both in Principle and Practice is a vain Florish and an empty Boast for in undertaking that Work he has procured himself a Name that will certainly render him odious to Posterity and for his Pains and Labour therein he shall certainly have his Reward with the Lyars and Maker of Lyes in the Lake that burns with Fire and Brimstone except he repent But why doth T. P. say we are DUMB is it not because he is in Consusion for he tells his Reader that we drowned him with our Voice and T. H. may give him the Lye herein for doth he not know that the Quakers Voice hath been loud enough to prove him a Perverter a Lyar and a Forger The fifth Lye he charges me with is my denying that to be our Principle which he saith we have so often declared viz. Christ dyed only as an Example I deny that it is our Principle or that we have often declared that Christ died only as an Example for we do own and ever did that Jesus Christ was an Offering or a Sacrifice for Sin And he is the Propitiation for our Sins and not for ours only but for the Sins of the whole World 1 John 2.2 And for T. P's saying That the Quakers are conscious to themselves that they are no Christians is surely a Lye of his own coyning Now having cleared my self from his Lyes which he would have made mine I
shall take a little notice of his Passage wherein he tells his Reader He shall make him Smile by which those that are serious may see what Spirit this Man is of who scoffs at Revelation and makes ado about my going as he saith into the Country when he was at London and there was neither Preacher nor People Now I declare and that in Truth That at that time I went into the Country to a Meeting of our Friends and I being told that it was T. P's Day to be there according to his usunl manner and having Time enough before our Meeting to go to his Meeting I did go not upon Revelation after that manner as he would insinnate but upon the Information as I had before and when I came to his Meeting I was told that he altered his Day on that day I was there before whether it was to prevent my meeting with him or not I shall leave I do say that we do not place our going to enquire for a Place or Person upon Immediate Revelation And I shall refer my Reader to that Passage of his to his Reader that saith They made us who were a great People to desert our Place whether we met with him and his People or no So that I have good Cause still to trust in the Revelation of God's Power which did not only confound and drive him away from disturbing ‖ Note T. P. came into his Meeting when I was speaking to the People in the Fear of God and the People were generally still and after he came in he endeavoured to stir up the Bad but the Lord's Power was with us and T. P. went away and took the roughest of the People with him then we had a Peaceable and a Quiet Meeting for about Three Hours and though he tells his Reader That we were so rude that one would have thought that we came out of a Bear-Garden Yet I say this is a great Vntruth for such Behaviour was not on our Parts who were sober and kept in God's Fear and to Scriptural Expressions but on thine whose saying to one of us when at thy Meeting was Sirrah come down which I am sure savours more of a Bear Garden Expression then of a Minister's of Christ Jesus And thou further saidst at that time and in thy Book since avouchest That we deserve to be whiped scourged and put in the Stocks by which people may see was thy Power as great as thy Will that Whipping Scourging and putting us in the Stocks should be the Weapons or Arguments that thou wouldst use instead of the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God and true Ministers Weapons So that its manifest that a Measure of the old persecuting spirit that ever was a Mark of the false Church and her Ministers hath entred thee but thy Horn is too short We were sober and kept in God's Fear and the Rudeness was with him and those that followed him of whom I do say Except they come to Repent and turn from the Evil of their Doings they cannot lay down their Heads in Peace For it is not every one that cryes Lord Lord shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven but he that doth the Will of my Father which is in Heaven of us and hindring the Testimony which God had put into our Hearts that day but also setled the minds of the greatest number of the people and the Hearts of many were tendered and I hope the Sense that a Remnant had of God's immediate Power will be as an Engagement for them to wait daily for to feel the same that so their Hearts may be engaged unto the Lord and that his Fear may be ever placed in their Hearts that they may know him to be to them as a Fountain of Life to keep them from the Snares of Death And for Thomas Powell's Railing against me and calling me False Prophet and pronouncing me accursed and such like Expressions comes from the Heat of his Spirit and so may justly be reckoned amongst his Bed-ridden Performances and his Fly-blown Duties as he calls them which Phrases he sayes Christians understand very well I would have T. P. to tell me Whether the Spirit of God leads to such Performances and Duties or the spirit of Satan And mayst not thou be ashamed to take Money of People for such Duties and Performances Well God's Hand is against thee and thy Practice and it had been better for thee to have stood still as I have formerly told thee and to have known God's Salvation and his Power to have kept thee from venting forth such Bed-ridden and Fly blown Stuff and if thy best Performances be such what is the worst And T. P. in his 5th Page saith He shall first consider the Title of my Book which is this A Vindication of Jesus Christ the Immaculate Lamb of God Note He leaves out what I vindicate him from which was from the Foul and Blasphemous Imputation of one Thomas Powell a Preacher among the Independâ—nts who affirmed * Note It was not a Position as he would insinuate but it was an Affirmation That Jesus Christ was the Greatest Sinner in the World he takes no notice of it as though it concerned him not and yet he calls his Book an Answer to mine furely he still persists in Lying notwithstanding I warned him to the contrary But he goes on and sayes He admires at my Confidence to stile my Book A Vindication of Christ Jesus if I had not been a Quaker he sayes it had been something What! is it nothing now or is it become a Crime for a Quaker to vindicate Christ Jesus from such foul and blasphemous Expressions as he hath uttered and is his admiring at it and his saying He cannot believe it and calling my Title but a Pretence and a Bait to catch poor Souls a sufficient thing to prove it so But it is no Wonder why the Man is grown to such a Degree of Incredulity as to believe after this rate seeing he excludes having any Dependency on Christ within as the Quakers own him and how do the Quakers own him as to his inward Appearance To be the True Light that Lighteth every man that cometh into the World And T. P. sayes We say we own every Principle of the Christian-Religion Is that become a Crime in this pretended Minister's Account It s very probable it is so for he tells his Reader That our owning Christ or any other Principle of Religion to be a meer Mystical Romance and that we own such a Christ as Vnchrist's Christ such kind of Stuff and Matter as its like he has learned from Thomas Hicks the Forger and the rest of his Brethren he communicates to his Reader instead of bringing plain Scripture to clear himself from his soul and blasphemous Charge of Sin to Christ I need not much enlarge to prove we own Christ Jesus or our selves Christians seeing it never entred into the Hearts nor
was ever the Doctrine of any of the Leading-Quakers as he terms them to Deny Christ Jesus in any of his Appearances or Manifestations whether within or without and though Men in their prejudiced Spirits do judge us as Denyers of Christ Jesus Yet be it known unto all That we expect Salvation and Redemption by no other Thing or Means whatsoever then by that Christ Jesus declared of and born witness unto in the Holy Scriptures But if our Adversaries and men of corrupt Minds who are satisfied in their Bed-ridden Performances and their Duties Fly-blown with Sin cannot believe us be it known unto them That we never did go about to impose a Belief upon any without inward Conviction but we still did and do commit our Testimony to the Witness of God in the Consciences of all men knowing that it is God only that can perswade the Hearts of men and Women to love the Truth and to walk in Subjection thereunto The next thing I shall take notice of is in the 6th page of my Adversary's Book his words are these They acknowledge such a Christ as Vnchrists Christ for his Proof he hath these words They deny him to be God Man in one Person they deny him to be a Distinct Person from the Person of the Father and they deny him also to be a Distinct Person from any of his Members We own God the man Christ Jesus by whom God will judge the Secrets of all Hearts and the true Unity and Fellowship as they owned them that writ the Scriptures howbeit we confess both that Christ after the Flesh was born of the Virgin Mary yet is God over all blessed forever that the Father is greater then the Son and yet one and that Christ is Head and Lord of his People yet one with his People but for T. P's School-Distinctions and School-Gibberish we shall not trouble our selves therewith for his Words are not according to the Form of sound Words laid down in the Scripture yet he pretends the Scripture to be his Rule If any desire further Satisfaction concerning us in the matter above hinted at they may peruse these Books entituled The Divinity of Christ asserted The Christian-Quaker and Quakerism a new Nick Name for old Christianity And for his saying that it had been better for me to have entituled my Book No Christ but Conscience and in this said he thou wouldst have been true to thy principle Here 's a notorious Untruth for we never preacht such a Christ as could be defiled with sin but Conscience may be defiled and may be seared and if this be his State Wo and misery will be his Portion notwithstanding his Imagination of Christ's Righteousness to be his and his Sin Christ's And to proceed he saith and avouches that the Discourse between us save a passage or two was feigned page 6. of his Pamphlet in which he saith I relate this as our greeting one another i. e. you Quakers hold damnable and erroneous Doctrines And to prove him a L in this I refer my Reader to the 3d page of my Book and the Title of that part of the Discourse which passed between us my words are these Something of a Discourse c. not all nor yet our greeting for he having formerly given me a Book wherein he pretends he discoursed the Devil and that he had almost perswaded him to believe he was the true God the thing seemed to be fictious but however I asked him whether the thing was real and whether he had seen the Devil if he had after what manner he said He was cloathed with black like a Minister I queried how he knew that he was the Devil he said he asked him whether he created the Heavens and the Earth and he said Yea and you too by this said he I knew him to be the Devil my answer to him was this how doth this prove him to be the Devil for he that did create the Heavens and Earth and gave man Life Breath and Being was and is the true God but T. P. said He told me also that him whom I and the greatest part of the World worshipped was not the true God and by this also I knew him to be the Devil How doth this prove him to be the Devil wa st not thou at that time in Distraction he said he wâ—s then said I thou couldst not worship the true God for a man must first know him before he can worship him then he in his Fierceness breaks forth and said You Quakers hold damnable and erroneous Doctrines And though he saith the Discourse is fictious both in its Dependency and in its Matter yet I do affirm that the Discourse that past between us his Questions and my Answers and my Questions and his Answers are placed in my Book according as they were spoken and if I had done otherwise it had been somewhat like that notable Forger Tho. Hicks a man so much in his Esteem for his Dexterity in such matters that he counted him a Divine in the presence of the People at his Meeting in Hartford Shire but T. H. gives him the Lye and in plain Words said I am no Divine if T. P. thinks that I have placed this passage of T. H. and his upon my Memory only he will be mistaken for I have it and much more of that dayes work in writing from divers Persons who took it in short Hand from their Mouths One thing more I shall take notice of that is his telling his Reader He durst not enter into Disputation with us on the Lord's Day yet notwithstanding he sends me a Challenge to meet him on that Day he calls the Lords Day and procures T. Hieks to help him the Words of his Chalenge I thought meet to insert to the End that his Brethren might see what Attempts this late upstart Preacher though in vain doth make who threatned with one more in one day to shake our Foundation quite down which is more then all his Brethren have could or ever shall doÌ„ The Words of Thomas Powel's Challenge are viz. John Vaughton I expect thee for to make good what thou hast fathered up on me next Sabbath Day at my Meeting in the Country I shall be sure to be there and another with me where I with him shall shake your Foundation quite down for it is sandy and I perceive you are upon your last Legs already this day I go into the Country being the 31. of August to prepare my self for expelling that Soul-damning Doctrine which thou hast vented in the poor Country thy Friend Tho. Powel By this People may see the notorious Falsness of this man who challenges me into the Gountry yet would insinuate into his Reader that we assaulted him dog'd him and followed him into all places when I can truly say that since this Controversie hath depended between us that neither I nor the Friends concerned with me have followed him into no other place but publick
Meetings but the Spirit of Cain having entred him from whence his Fear comes which makes him to say he dare not go alone Now you Divines of his way consider whether Tho. Powel be a Gospel-Minister or a false Prophet and take his own Phrase run on the Devil's Errand But for our Foundation it stands sure notwithstanding his Attempts and the Skirmisher's too I have also taken Notice of a Marginal Note in Page 6. of his Book his Words are these Reader if thou believest that this Discourse passed between J. V. and my self thou must value his Memory at an high Rate but I am apt to think that his Memory is as fallible as yours and mine though he had the Confidence to tell me that he was perfect A Forger indeed I never told Tho. Powel that I was perfect he would insinuate into his Reader that the Discourse was feigned from his Supposition of the Fallibility of my Memory his Thoughts of the Fallibleness of my Memory is no Proof of the Discourse feigned and for the Fallibility of his Memory I have an Instance that he said I told him I was perfect which Words he never had from my Mouth for we preach not our selves but Christ Jesus and the Doctrine of Perfection is the Doctrine of Christ and they that oppose it are Anti-christ and the State of Sanctification through the Spirit of God I do believe is attainable on this Side the Grave for I do declare that I have no Faith in the Papist Purgatory though our Adversaries number us amongst them And in page 7. he notes me for a Lyar in saying he said Burn the Bible hear his Proof Mr Bye my Witness doth also attest that as far as he remembers I said no such Word but away with the Bible which was the Words I spoke I very well remember Must the fallible Memories of T. P. and his Witness go for a Proof and I from thence termed a Lyar no such Matter for I have a Witness that heard and can very well remember that T. P. said Burn the Bible more then once or twice And in page 10. he avoucheth That one of the Quakers Principles is that all except themselves shall be confounded and damned this he brings for the Vindication of his former Assertion that he had given in the Name of the Quakers in Answer to a young Man that put this Query Seeing you are but a People of about 25 Years standing and you say that your Way is the right Way what became of the People that dyed before you were a People they said T. P. believe they are all damned This he would not have imputed to his Envy and Malice but to his Judgment and that Judgment he saith is grounded from an underiable Consequence that resulteth from several Phrases scattered up and down in their own Books one that he mentions is this that their Way is the only Way Now how doth this prove that our Saying Christ Our Way is the only Way to be determined as our Belief that all that dyed before we were a People are damned for we do believe the Way of God which is but one was in all Generations and that there was a Remnant that walked in this Way and found Acceptance with him and this Way was and is Christ who is the true Light that lighteth every Man that cometh into the World and this Light is not Conscience as he would wickedly insinuate but it shines in the Hearts and Consciences of all the Sons and Daughters of Men to discover and make manifest those Things that are Evil and they that receive it in this its Manifestation come to know the Power and Sufficiency of him who said I am the Light of the World he that believes in me shall not abide in Darkness but shall have the Light of Life And my Adversary talks of several Quakers Books yet he sayes He hath but one Quakers Book in his Study i. e. a Catechism of G. F. and he sayes it 's to his Purpose he quotes it thus Quest Father Are Jews and Gentiles and Christians that do not believe in the Light that which doth enlighten every Man that cometh into the World all out of him who is the Life the Light of Men Answer Yea Child From these Words this passionate Man falls a railing and sayes It 's a Hellish Book and that the Principles contained in G. F 's Catechism are Principles that the Devil in Hell hath hatched ergo Soul-damning Principles Principles that are of the Devil 's making or hatching as he phrases it are Soul damning but that G. F's Words are of the Devil 's hatching that I deny for they are in themselves safe and sure for how can People be in him i. e. Christ the Light that lighteth every Man that cometh into the World and not believe in him and if not in him then out of him and this is no wayes to his Purpose as he said it was to prove that we believe that all were damned that were before we were a People or that our Principles are Soul-damning And now I come to my Adverversary perfect Confirmation of his Assertion as he calls it which seems to be very fictious but however hear it page 8. he saith For a perfect Confirmation of my Assertion viz. That the Quakers do hold that all who dye not in Belief of their Principles shall be damned see in this ensuing Relation that I shall stand by Once a Maiden-Acquaintance of mine was courted by a zealous Quaker who during the Time he was Suitor had prevailed with her to go with him to hear his Friends scil Quakers and that once or twice at last he demandeth of her how she liked them she answered worse and worse which occasioned him to break off from her and withall to say that if she heard any other she would certainly be damned Would T. P. and his Brethren have their Faith and Principles be concluded and determined Damnable from the Words of one Man Certainly no and that such an one as they have not so much as the Knowledge of his Name but this is perfect Confirmation as he calls it not to mention his imperfect Ones But I shall at this Time leave it amongst his Fly-blown Stuff And he tells his Reader He hath preached almost three Years for only Charges defrayed But I may take Leave to tell him that that doth not clear him from preaching for what he could get but if his Charges were so great every time he went into the Country as it was that Day he met with the Country-Priest he told me of and two of his Companions at a Tavern where after their Friendship threatned to kill him for preaching against the Papists and as they were going to have him to the Place of Execution which was upon a Bed he having about five Pounds in his Pocket as he himself related it tumbled out of which he said It was as the Ram that appeared for the saving