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A86328 The foundation of the font discovered to the view of all that desire to behold it. And, the baptizing of men and women when they believe (in rivers and fountains) proved to be a standing ordinance in the Church of Cchrist to the end of the world; by plain Scripture-proof. In answer to Mr. Cook's Font uncovered, for infant-baptism; and Mr. Baxter's Plain Scripture-proof for infants church-membership and baptism. With a word sometimes upon occasion to Mr. Hall's Font-guarded; which is more fully answered by Thomas Collyer. By Henry Haggar, a servant of Christ, and the congregations of his saints. Haggar, Henry. 1653 (1653) Wing H186; Thomason E711_1; ESTC R207114 109,478 143

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supposition_n and_o then_o he_o say_v again_o methink_v minister_n shall_v have_v regard_n to_o themselves_o and_o not_o go_v so_o frequent_o into_o the_o cold_a water_n so_o often_o to_o baptize_v other_o answ_n true_o they_o be_v careful_a enough_o for_o they_o never_o meddle_v with_o so_o good_a a_o work_n but_o i_o know_v mr._n baxter_n be_v a_o lover_n of_o his_o own_o self_n and_o can_v give_v other_o of_o his_o brethren_n the_o same_o counsel_n and_o great_a need_n for_o good_a man_n be_v scarce_o they_o have_v need_n take_v heed_n they_o do_v not_o kill_v themselves_o in_o the_o service_n of_o christ_n but_o it_o be_v very_o like_a that_o the_o zeal_n
of_o god_n house_n will_v never_o eat_v up_o nor_o destroy_v mr._n baxter_n nor_o his_o brethren_n the_o priest_n of_o england_n for_o i_o never_o know_v any_o of_o they_o go_v into_o the_o water_n to_o baptize_v either_o man_n or_o woman_n for_o it_o be_v against_o their_o principle_n therefore_o he_o may_v well_o hold_v his_o peace_n in_o that_o thing_n and_o if_o the_o anabaptist_n do_v it_o and_o it_o be_v so_o dangerous_a as_o he_o say_v it_o his_o best_a way_n be_v to_o let_v they_o baptize_v as_o many_o as_o they_o will_v and_o then_o they_o will_v kill_v themselves_o the_o soon_o if_o it_o be_v as_o he_o say_v and_o then_o he_o shall_v be_v quit_v of_o they_o but_o to_o conclude_v 1._o we_o find_v that_o in_o the_o day_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o aposty_n they_o baptize_v both_o man_n and_o woman_n in_o river_n see_v mark_v 1.5_o with_o act_n 1.12_o vers_fw-la 37_o 38._o and_o in_o aenon_n near_o to_o salem_n because_o there_o be_v much_o water_n there_o john_n 3.23_o all_o this_o be_v allow_v of_o and_o practise_v by_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n now_o if_o they_o baptize_v man_n and_o woman_n in_o river_n where_o there_o be_v much_o water_n we_o will_v be_v bold_a to_o follow_v their_o good_a holy_a and_o righteous_a example_n notwithstanding_o mr._n baxter_n foul_a mouth_n who_o do_v not_o only_a reproach_n slander_n and_o bely_v we_o but_o also_o the_o lord_n christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n therefore_o we_o can_v through_o mercy_n well_o bear_v it_o know_v that_o the_o servant_n be_v not_o great_a than_o his_o lord_n and_o if_o they_o have_v call_v the_o master_n of_o the_o house_n beelzebub_n how_o much_o more_o they_o of_o his_o household_n through_o mercy_n we_o can_v rejoice_v that_o we_o be_v count_v worthy_a to_o suffer_v any_o reproach_n for_o the_o name_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n but_o let_v mr._n baxter_n and_o his_o brethren_n know_v that_o they_o must_v one_o day_n give_v a_o account_n of_o all_o their_o word_n and_o action_n to_o he_o that_o be_v ready_a to_o judge_v the_o quick_a and_o dead_a at_o his_o appear_v 1_o pet._n 4.5_o who_o will_v come_v with_o ten_o thousand_o of_o his_o saint_n to_o execute_v judgement_n upon_o and_o to_o convince_v all_o the_o ungodly_a of_o all_o their_o ungodly_a deed_n and_o of_o all_o their_o hard_a speech_n which_o ungodly_a sinner_n have_v speak_v against_o he_o and_o then_o all_o mr._n baxter_n serious_a protestation_n for_o the_o truth_n in_o one_o place_n of_o his_o book_n chap._n 1._o pag._n 2_o 3._o and_o his_o cunning_a insinuation_n against_o the_o truth_n almost_o all_o over_o his_o book_n will_v do_v he_o little_a good_a for_o then_o those_o which_o now_o be_v so_o zealous_a that_o they_o think_v they_o shall_v do_v god_n good_a service_n if_o they_o shall_v kill_v we_o john_n 16.2_o will_v see_v their_o error_n but_o i_o hearty_o desire_v mr._n baxter_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o brethren_n may_v see_v they_o before_o if_o possible_a and_o now_o to_o your_o eight_o argument_n which_o be_v as_o follow_v that_o party_n and_o practice_n which_o have_v be_v still_o brand_v and_o pursue_v with_o god_n eminent_a judgement_n but_o never_o evident_o with_o his_o blessing_n be_v not_o likely_a to_o be_v the_o way_n of_o god_n but_o the_o anabaptist_n way_n and_o practice_n be_v such_o therefore_o not_o likely_a to_o be_v of_o god_n the_o same_o say_v mr._n hall_n in_o his_o 19_o argument_n in_o his_o fontgaurded_a to_o all_o which_o i_o answer_v if_o this_o argument_n be_v good_a then_o thus_o the_o amorites_n be_v follow_v on_o with_o blessing_n and_o enjoy_v the_o best_a of_o the_o land_n of_o canaan_n 400._o year_n together_o while_o the_o people_n of_o israel_n be_v in_o bondage_n and_o in_o misery_n will_v you_o therefore_o conclude_v that_o the_o amorites_n be_v the_o child_n of_o god_n and_o that_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n be_v not_o the_o child_n of_o god_n and_o likewise_o remember_v the_o poverty_n and_o suffering_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n and_o his_o disciple_n and_o how_o they_o be_v brand_v as_o much_o for_o heretic_n and_o wicked_a person_n and_o such_o as_o know_v not_o the_o law_n and_o be_v accurse_v john_n 7.39_o as_o you_o now_o brand_v we_o but_o dare_v you_o say_v that_o they_o be_v not_o good_n people_n true_o i_o remember_v the_o prophet_n say_v psal_n 73.3_o 4_o 5._o that_o when_o he_o see_v the_o prosperity_n of_o the_o wicked_a and_o that_o they_o be_v not_o in_o trouble_n nor_o plague_v like_o other_o man_n that_o he_o have_v like_a to_o have_v stumble_v at_o their_o prosperity_n and_o to_o have_v say_v that_o they_o be_v god_n people_n but_o it_o seem_v you_o have_v stumble_v and_o be_v fall_v so_o as_o to_o speak_v evil_a of_o god_n people_n because_o of_o their_o suffering_n you_o further_o say_v what_o a_o hindrance_n the_o anabaptist_n be_v to_o the_o gospel_n in_o germany_n by_o resist_v the_o most_o painful_a godly_a minister_n there_o be_v few_o divine_n of_o note_n who_o do_v not_o bear_v witness_n of_o it_o frequent_o in_o their_o write_n as_o luther_n melancthon_n illyricus_n zuinglius_fw-la bullinger_n leo_n juda_n calvin_n with_o multitude_n more_o and_o in_o pag._n 140._o you_o tell_v we_o zuinglius_fw-la be_v constrain_v to_o resist_v they_o with_o all_o his_o strength_n but_o it_o seem_v that_o be_v too_o little_a for_o you_o tell_v we_o present_o that_o the_o senate_n be_v fain_o to_o deal_v with_o they_o with_o banishment_n prison_n and_o death_n and_o then_o you_o tell_v we_o that_o calvin_n do_v write_v a_o treatise_n against_o they_o wherein_o he_o show_v page_n 141._o that_o the_o anabaptist_n be_v divide_v especial_o into_o two_o sect_n one_o more_o moderate_a and_o simple_a that_o do_v boast_v of_o scripture_n and_o plead_v scripture_n with_o confidence_n for_o all_o they_o hold_v but_o the_o other_o be_v a_o sort_n call_v libertine_n which_o be_v above_o scripture_n and_o these_o you_o say_v pag._n 142._o be_v such_o as_o forsake_v their_o wife_n and_o child_n and_o lay_v by_o all_o labour_n do_v live_v idle_o and_o feed_v on_o other_o man_n labour_n and_o when_o they_o aboard_o with_o filthy_a abominable_a lust_n they_o say_v its_o the_o command_n of_o their_o heavenly_a father_n persuade_v woman_n and_o honest_a matron_n that_o its_o impossible_a they_o shall_v be_v partaker_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n unless_o they_o filthy_o prostitute_v their_o body_n allege_v that_o we_o must_v renounce_v all_o thing_n we_o love_v best_a and_o that_o all_o kind_n of_o infamy_n be_v to_o be_v swallow_v by_o the_o godly_a for_o christ_n sake_n and_o that_o publican_n and_o harlot_n go_v first_o into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n and_o of_o the_o treachery_n lie_v and_o sedition_n wherewith_o these_o people_n everywhere_o do_v abound_v there_o be_v no_o end_n nor_o measure_n and_o i_o pray_v say_v you_o be_v these_o your_o virtue_n do_v you_o yet_o think_v they_o design_v nothing_o dishonest_a or_o can_v you_o deny_v the_o truth_n of_o these_o thing_n no_o you_o say_v nor_o can_v any_o man_n show_v you_o one_o of_o the_o anabaptist_n who_o be_v not_o blemish_v with_o some_o of_o these_o forename_a wickedness_n etc._n etc._n and_o now_o i_o hope_v by_o this_o time_n you_o have_v vent_v your_o deadly_a poison_n that_o lie_v under_o your_o tongue_n against_o the_o anabaptist_n to_o all_o which_o i_o answer_v first_o if_o all_o these_o thing_n shall_v be_v true_a that_o mr._n baxter_n have_v say_v as_o they_o be_v not_o yet_o it_o seem_v mr._n baxters_n religion_n be_v so_o totter_a and_o ready_a to_o fall_v that_o he_o be_v fain_o to_o underprop_v it_o with_o the_o anabaptist_n fail_n or_o rather_o with_o the_o gross_a wickedness_n of_o those_o that_o have_v apostatise_v from_o we_o and_o be_v glad_a to_o discover_v the_o gross_a darkness_n of_o the_o worst_a of_o man_n or_o else_o his_o own_o light_n be_v so_o small_a that_o it_o will_v not_o shine_v and_o when_o he_o have_v reckon_v up_o the_o worst_a of_o all_o 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paul_n act_v 24.1_o 2_o 3_o 4_o 5_o 6._o with_o 13._o but_o i_o have_v prove_v all_o what_o i_o have_v here_o write_v by_o good_a authority_n the_o which_o i_o suppose_v they_o will_v not_o nor_o dare_v not_o deny_v but_o if_o they_o do_v the_o book_n remain_v still_o to_o be_v see_v and_o now_o see_v these_o thing_n be_v so_o i_o shall_v desire_v the_o impartial_a reader_n serious_o and_o in_o the_o fear_n of_o god_n to_o consider_v whether_o this_o generation_n of_o man_n although_o some_o of_o they_o more_o transform_v into_o angel_n of_o light_n and_o minister_n of_o righteousness_n then_o other_o as_o the_o scripture_n say_v 2_o cor._n 11.13_o 14_o 15._o yet_o whether_o these_o be_v not_o those_o speak_v of_o 2_o tim._n 3.1_o 2_o 3_o 4_o 5_o 6_o 7_o 8_o 9_o in_o these_o word_n this_o know_v also_o that_o in_o the_o last_o day_n perilous_a time_n shall_v come_v for_o man_n shall_v be_v lover_n of_o their_o own_o self_n covetous_a boaster_n proud_a blasphemer_n disobedient_a to_o 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