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A25515 An answer to a late pamphlet, called A Sober dialogue, between a Scotch Presbyterian a London church-man, and a real Quaker, scandalously reflecting on the Church of England as if her doctrine and common-prayer did justifie the antichristian doctrine, of the real Quaker, viz. that the light within, whither in heathen, or Christian is sufficient to salvation without anything else; wherein the plain deism and antichristian principles of the real Quaker and his party, and the pretended church man, are plainly detected. By a friend to the author of the dialogue, called, a Sober dialogue, between a country friend, a London friend, and one of G.K.'s friends. 1699 (1699) Wing A3305A; ESTC R214848 10,861 26

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coming from one and the same Author and Fountain via God and Christ considered as the divine Word and the Spirit according to 1 Cor. 12.4 5 6. and Rom. 8.15 and his Argument from John 16.7 8 9. c. Is a meer Perversion it being evident to all truly enlightened Christians that the Mission of the Spirit the Comforter that Christ promised should lead them into all Truth to whom he should be sent and who should reprove the World for the Sin of not believing in Christ to wit Christ Crucified and should testifie to them of Christ as he suffered Death for our Sins was not on the account of the common Illumination given to all Men which the Disciples had before the Comforter was sent in that special Ministration And unless he had proved that all Men are reproved by the common Illumination for their not believing in Christ Crucified and raised again which he hath not so much as attempted his Argument is Vain and Impertinent And as Impertinent is he in his Arguing from other Places of Scripture for let the Places be read and considered and it will appear they all point at some other and more excellent sort and manner of Hlumination than that common to all Mankind the Places are Ephes 5.13 Psal 19.7 Rev. 21.24 Rom. 10.8 Heb. 4.12 James 1.21 For all these Places respect the State of Believers in Christ Crucified and the peculiar Gospel Dispensation as distinguished from that of Heathens and Infidels who are said to be without P. 7. He brings in the Presbyterian not truly stating the Controversie but perverts his opposite words in this his Dialogue in way of answer to that called a sober Dialogue between a Country Friend a London Friend and one of G. K. 's Friends for whereas the words in that Dialogue were that what simply condemns us for Sin does not forgive us this unfair Quaker leaves out the word simply which was mainly necessary truly to state the Controversie viz. whither that Principle within Men that only reproves or condemns them for Sin and but convinceth of some moral duties and doth not propose to them that great Object of Faith Christ Jesus as he suffered Death on the Cross for the remission of our Sins doth save them without Christ Crucified and without all Faith in him as such the word simply having the same signification with the word only Pag. 8. He excuseth G. Whitehead's cursing G. K. who never cursed any of them but prays for them that he and G. W. are not apt to revile and curse This is like a Man that being often Drunk saith he is not apt to be Drunk but why then hath G. W. done it his too great aptness to curse and revile is too apparent by sad instances yea he hath not only cursed G. K. but joyned with some of his Brethren to damn the Three Persons of the ever Holy and Blessed Trinity to the Pit witness his and their Book in Answer to Townsend's Signed by him and others called Ismael c. his late Excuse of its being either wrong Writ or wrong Printed without a plain Retractation is insufficient Writ about forty Years after the former in that called the Quakers Cleared Page 9. He blames his Opponent for saying that Cornelius was not to be saved by the Light within without something else but gives no Answer to the Argument brought by his Opponent in the forementioned Dialogue p. 9. How that an Angel must be sent to him to tell him that he must send for Simon Peter which was to tell him words by which he must be saved and these words were to teach him that he was to be saved not simply or only by the Light or Christ within him without Christ that was outwardly Crucified and Faith in him Page 9. He proceeds in his false Way of Stating the Controversie and Arguing from a false Hypothesis that because that Light in all Men is God and God is sufficient and able to save all For the true Controversie is not what God can do but what Sufficiency of Help he hath given to all Men for their eternal Salvation as whether this Help is only and alone the Light within as it signifies the common Illumination or as it signifies the Divine Word as giving to Men only an inward Illumination discovering God's eternal Power and some moral Principles of Sobriety and Justice and general Piety towards God considered only as a Creator without Christ Crucified c. And without any special Revelation of God concerning Christ as he was Crucified died for our Sins rose and Ascended This is the true State of the Question and by the whole Tenor of this Quakers Discourse he fully agrees with his meer Deist Brethren particularly G. W. and W. P. That hold that the Light within every Man is sufficient to his Salvation without any thing else i. e. Christ Crucified and without all Faith in him as such Page 10. Having Perverted and Misapplied several places of Scripture as Rom. 3.25 Isaiah 4.21 Isaiah 60.5 c. All which have a special Reference to Christ without us as he is offered in the Doctrin of the Gospel together with the special Inspirations and Illuminations given to the Faithful in the belief of the Gospel to prove that the Light within saveth without any thing else he bringeth in his Church-man to assent to and approve of all this his gross Perversion and Misapplication of the Scriptures and makes his Church-man assent to the Quakers Proof which he calls his Principal Proof out of the Gospel to be Read on Christmas Day adding that he remembers they i. e. the Church of England Pray that God would inspire them with his holy Spirit that they may always think and do those things which please him whence he infers and then we must needs have this within us c. Answ What a Fictitious and Treacherous as well as Ignorant Church-man the Quaker here introduceth as if the Church of England by this Prayer Prayed only to be saved by the common Illumination and did not Pray for special superadded Illuminations and Inspirations above and beyond the common But whereas he fains the Author of the fore-mentioned Dialogue to be a Scotch Presbyterian the Quakers infallible Discerning hath here failed him for that Author is neither Presbyterian nor Scotch-man Page 13. The Quaker saith they faithfully believe all those things and all other holy Doctrins contained in the holy Scriptures viz. That Christ has bought us with his most precious Blood the Resurrection of that holy Body with it's Ascension into Heaven Answ But how do they believe them in a quite other Sense than is either meant in Scripture or understood by all sound Christians Page 15. The Quaker saith yea that Spirit which he promised should bring all things to our Remembrance we have received and it brings to our Remembrance God's great love in sending his Son and Christ's great Love in Suffering and Dying for us and