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A70229 The Quakers appeal answer'd, or, A full relation of the occasion, progress, and issue of a meeting held in Barbican the 28th of August last past wherein the allegations of William Pen in two books lately published by him against Thomas Hicks, were answered and disproved, and Tho. Hicks, his quotations out of the Quakers own books attested by several as being appeal'd unto. Hicks, Thomas, 17th cent.; Kiffin, William, 1616-1701. 1674 (1674) Wing H1924; ESTC R2772 24,153 49

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