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A79570 The church-man and the Quaker dialoguing: with a reply to an answer to a late pamphlet, called, A sober dialogue between a Scotch Presbyterian, a London church-man, and a real Quaker 1699 (1699) Wing C3997; ESTC R231838 14,460 32

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render'd your Christian Brethren and you are represented Anthropomorphites and Muggletonians Qua. We cannot expect better Treatment nor to be allowed to mean what we say or believe what we really do by those whose endeavours have been and are from their Prejudiced Spirits to misrepresent us and to put as ugly a Vissage and as frightful a Dress on us as they can that we might look Odious and be Contemptible in the Eyes of those who they would Curry Favour with for their own Ends and to gratifie their Ill-will which as the Proverb is never speaks well Ch. But Friend if thou accountest you are so much wronged consider and tell me why you do not accept of G. K's Challenge For in his Postscript to this Dialogue he saith I shall once more appoint Time and Place to them and prove out of their Friends Books owned by them that their new Creeds are utterly Repugnant to the Doctrine formerly delivered in their Printed Books and he saith I am ready to prove as I hinted before Face to Face what is asserted in this Dialogue Qua. G. K. began to expose us in publick Print and that way was answered and he hath been Industrious since with his few Abetters to spread his Books in this and other Nations and after that to take upon him to Summon us to a Corner to discover in those things so publickly Exposed and relating to what hath been so long Published in Print Our Friends did not esteem themselves obliged either to follow his Conceited Methods or to regard his Peremtory Summons nor to take Cognisance of his empty and boasting Challenge But this I may observe and would have thee well consider how Officious he is to be a Drudge or Journey-Man for the Norfolk Priest and his Brother Bugg which I conclude is from the great Conceit he hath of his own Abilities as if he could do that which they could not at West-Dereham which neither he F. B. nor they have yet done viz. Proved every one of the People called Quakers to be Blasphemers on all those Heads they were charged with by them Priests by express words out of their Ancient Friends Books without the wild and undue Consequences strained Inferences and wrong Conclusions And this I would have thee well observe and consider that he and F. B. seem to be in a wonderful and great Travel to prove our of their Friends Books written whilst they were amongst them that they held gross Errors and printed and approved many Blasphemies and that their new Creeds are utterly Repugnant to the Doctrine formerly delivered in their Books Now if their new Creeds be utterly Repugnant to what they formerly writ and for that they formerly writ are render'd Erroneous and Blasphemous surely they cannot be charged with Blasphemy and Error in what they have lately writ So that now the Quakers grow better and they grow worse they know how to avoid Suffering and the Quakers are liable to Suffer they would Incense the Government against them Surely their tender Mercies are Cruelty and their Forgiveness short of the Governments who have past several Acts of Indemnity If they had been formerly Guilty which I grant not they acted more like the Lord that forgave freely and those Men more like that Servant that was forgiven and yet took his Fellow-Servant by the Throat a plain Proof of an ill Spirit and ungrateful Temper And take notice G. K. saith He is ready to prove what 's in the Dialogue Then why doth he not Who hinders him He to me seems willing to Brag and speak Big altho' he doth little Ch. Truly I think it's pity you should be blamed when ye are accounted to mend but I would not have you think there is any more fear of Persecution therein than you think there is for those Men that have so generally Charged you all with Blasphemy to prove that by Express Words that will really appear to be so And truly I could and do heartily wish there might more good Nature appear among us and we all might be better Neighbours one to another and be no more angry one with another simply upon the account of Conscience and our Religious Dissent for I think there is no more reason for that than our being angry one with another for not being all of one Size and our Hair not all of one Colour Qua. Thy Moderation and thy Sentiments are more like to prevail upon me than all the Peevish Carriage and Bitter Invectives and Envious Attempts of those Angry Hot-headed Men who can better Rail than Reason and Clamour than Convince And so Farewel A REPLY IN Answer to a late Pamphlet P. 4. THE Answerer quotes the Quaker p. 5. for saying By the Light within he means no other than Christ as the Divine Word or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which enlightens every Man that comes into the World and for the Reformation of Man God hath given unto every Man and in and by this Light Invites Calls Exhorts and Strives with every Man in order to save them which as it is received and not resisted works the Salvation of all Answer There he discovers his design without any disguise Reply Oh how Eagle-eyed this conceited Answerer G. K's Friend pretends to be How sharp and quick in his pretended Discovery of Error and Deism Let him next time advise with somebody that is better acquainted with the Holy Scriptures that he may be informed whether to Assert that Christ the Divine Word that God hath given for the Restoration of Man works his Salvation as the is believed in received and not resisted And in p. 5. he saith And here this real Quaker gives us a plain account what his Christ is to wit the Divine 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or Word without Christ's Manhood and all that he did and suffered for us without and all that he 's now doing for us in Heaven Reply Where in all that Dialogue he pretended to Answer doth he find the real Quaker say so What hath this Friend of G. K's no Conscience or Honesty I assure him he that in that Dialogue is termed the real Quaker believes in owns not neither expects Salvation by any other Christ than he that is the only begotten Son of the Eternal God which all true Christians did and do believe in and expect Salvation by who is not any other Christ than he that was the Word that was in the beginning with God and was God P. 6. In answer to the real Quakers saying We search the Scriptures diligently and find that in Man that Reproves for Sin is the Spirit of him that never Sinned John 16. 7 8 9 10 11 and 13. The Answerer G. K's Friend p. 6. saith Here the Quakers Ignorance and Blindness is manifest that he is not taught according to Scripture Reply I am well assured notwithstanding this gross Reflection on the real Quaker that he is not so Ignorant and Blind nor Unacquainted with the Holy Scriptures but