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A49772	A brief answer to three books, one by John Faldo, called an Independent, and two by Thomas Hicks a Baptist, put forth against the people called Quakers wherein the Presbyters, (Inde)pendents, and Baptists, though they differ among themselves, yet like Herod, Pontius Pilate, Judas, and the Jews are all joyn'd against the truth : but that which is not of God, shall not stand.	Lawrence, Thomas, 1645?-1714.	1673 (1673)	Wing L683; ESTC R7733	6,061	8

A BRIEF ANSWER TO THREE BOOKS ONE By John Faldo called an Independent and Two by Thomas Hicks a Baptist put forth against the People called QVAKERS Wherein the Presbyters Inde pendents and Baptists though they differ among Themselves yet like Herod Pontius Pilate Judas and the Jews are all joyn'd against the Truth But that which is not of God shall not Stand. WHen I intended to go my Journey I met with a Book given forth by One John Faldo against the Quakers I do not know what this John Faldo is nor where he dwells nor never heard of his Name before but I know he is like Thomas Hicks that Wrote the Dialogue Yet I do not know Thomas Hicks neither but I know they are alike they are both Mockers themselves proves it in their Title-pages and throughout their Books They call names as Quaker and Quakerism gone from Scripture-words and yet call the Scripture their Rule Herod and Pilate were made Friends yet did despise and mock Christ the Head and these Two mock and make Lyes against his Members their Books declare it I cannot tell which was first in the Lyes but I can tell who is the Father of Lyes the Devil He abode not in the Truth neither do these Two Perspicuity and Brevity are two chief Points in Oratory but these Two supposed great Orators have neither When They Treat on a subject their Porch is bigger then the House they are so long and tedious like the Orator when his Glass was near run out said Now to the Matter They are in the many Words Digressions and Distinctions that they lose themselves and Reader also except he abide in the Light For Example J. Faldo spends an Hundred and Nineteen pages to prove That Quakers deny the Scriptures and hath not prov'd it neither but runs begging after the Quakers that they would prove the Contrary pag. 26 27. And when he hath travelled to pag. 37. saith Now to clench the Nail I have been driving hitherto I pursued him to pag. 130. to find the Nail clenched but could not so I left my Pursuit Yet he saith If one or all these Arguments together will not prove what I have brought them to confirm I will forever despair to prove any thing When T. Hicks and J. Faldo saith The Scriptures are the Word of God and Rule of Faith They run into Thickets of Words but here they have no shelter for all people do or may know That Quakers do own S●r●ptures and have and do daily dis-prove their false Doctrines by plain Scripture words J. Faldo saith in the Second part of his Book That Quakers deny all Gospel Ordinances Answ They deny none but such as the false Churches do practice in their own wills without the Spirit Life and Power 1. In Particular he saith They deny the Ministery and Min●sters of the Gospel Answ Quakers deny no Ministry that is true nor no Ministers that are sent of God 2. He saith Quakers deny the Gospel-Church Answ Quakers own that Church which is in the Living God the Ground and Pillar of Truth but do deny all that say They are a true Church and are not but are the Synagogue of Satan 3. J. Faldo saith Quakers deny the Ordinance of Hearing the Word preached Answ Blush for shame dost thou not know they go sometimes many Miles and many hundreds at a time but thou goest not to hear Truth thy self but hindrest as many as thou canst and wishest as in thy Preface That many Thousand of small pieces of four or five sheets were printed and sold at a cheap rate to discover the Quakers Principles But that would discover and hurt thy Cause 4. Quakers deny Gospel-prayer Answ They do own and practise Prayer and Thanks-giving at meals in Families and else-where 5. Quakers deny the Ordinance of Reading the Scriptures Answ They say Reading and other holy Duties are to be performed in Families and several have been convinced by Reading Quakers Books before ever they heard a Minister 6. Quakers deny Water-Baptism and the Lords Supper Answ When the Substance is come and enjoyed the shaddows fly away These Charges against the Quakers are all false and so are many more in J. Faldo's Book Pag. 8. he saith Quakers preach a Christ within in Opposition to a Christ without Answ We feel taste and handle Christ within our Hope of Glory he is but one and not divided And so a wicked Slander to say we oppose Christ without Pag. 10. He saith They decry the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament as altogether needless if not Mischievous Answ We believe and read the Holy Scriptures to our Profit and Comfort being come to the same Spirit by which they were given forth and is the Interpreter of them Pag. 40. The Quakers equalize their Writings and Sayings with the Scriptures and prefer them above them Answ They set the Scriptures in their place but neither set them nor their Writings above the Spirit as ye do Many more might be noted but this is enough I do admire that ever a Man so Learned as J. Faldo is should so fail in his Learning Senses and Reason to charge so desperately and perform so weakly For I cannot find any Errors in the Quakers words that J. Faldo hath cited nor Strength in his Arguments to prove any J. Faldo in the Third part of his Book concerning Apostolical Inspirations hath many Distinctions and Differences between the Spirit which the Apostles had and the Spirit that Believers now have But he is neither brief nor plain but endeavours in many pages to manifest some great matter but his distinctions and differences are not in Substance but in Circumstances not differing in Truth and Kind but in Degree and Measures There are Diversities of Gifts Administrations and Operations but the same Spirit If J. Faldo hath found out another Spirit it is a false one J. Faldo would seem much a Schollar but T. Hicks is more a subtle one He hides his Work in Mists and Thickets to cover his Wickedness How can all the People of England or elsewhere where T. Hicks's Books may be seen see the Quakers Books also whom he hath charged to know certain whether his Charge be true which is a thing unlikely if not impossible Why then what colour of Reason is there in the least that T. Hicks should be believed at any time or in any thing who is found a Lyar so oftentimes and in so many things but all his Labour to be lost and as Water spilt upon the Ground And so no search after the Quakers Books need be but T. Hicks accounted vir nulla fide a man of no Faith or Credit Now for me to detect a man without just Cause were unjust therefore hear what I can say I. To the false Charges in his Book 1. The Quakers deny the Scriptures to be the Word of God The Answer is in the first Chap. of John In the beginning was the Word and the Word was

with God and the Word was God all things were made by it But the Scriptures were not in the beginning with God nor Scriptures never was God nor were all things made by the Scriptures 2. They deny the Scriptures to be as the Rule of Faith and Practice to Christians Answ The Spirit of God was and is the Unchangeable Everlasting Rule of Faith and Practice to all true Believers in all Ages Who can understand the Scriptures but by the same Spirit that gave it forth Then how can it be an infallible Rule without the Spirit to open and apply them 3. Quakers deny the Person of Jesus Christ Answ They do believe the One M●diator between God and Man the Man Christ Jesus Where do the Scriptures that T. Hicks calls his Rule say That Christ is a Person or that the Son is One Person and the holy Ghost Another ●erson We own Christ Jesus born of the Vigin Mary his Death Resurrection and Ascension and his Coming again in Spirit who said He that is with you shall be in you 4. Quakers deny the Resurrection of the Body Answ They believe All that are in the Graves shall come forth they that have done good to the Resurrection of Life and they that have done evil to the Resurrection of Condemnation And it shall be raised a Spiritual Body But that the Body of Flesh and Blood shall rise in the same Form and inherit the Kingdom of Heaven let T. Hicks prove that by that which he calls his Rule if he can but that saith Thou sowest not that Body which shall be 5. They say that the Light in every Man is sufficient to guide unto Salvation if it be obeyed Answ The Light is sufficient whether any obey it or not but none shall be saved by it but they that do obey it and yet not saved by obeying only 6. Also ye maintain Perfection attainable in this Life but what Perfection do ye mean Answ 1. There is Perfection to which nothing can be added and so no Man but God only is perfect 2ly There is Perfection from Sin and so the first Adam was made perfect by Creation and true Believers are made perfect by Redemption else Christ Jesus the second Adam hath less Power to deliver Man out of Sin then the first Adam had to bring him into Sin The most do not believe there is such a State as Freedom from all Sin in this Life some others do believe there is Yet none know it but they that are in it nor none can come into it but they that are led and guided by the Word and Spirit of God in them There is Perfection from Sin and Growth in Holiness The Man Christ Jesus was free from all Sin and grew in Wisdom and Stature And such as come to this State grow up in Christ the Resurrection and the Life in the Unity being set down together in the Heavenly Places have fought a good Fight and know the Overcoming and enjoy a State which the World knoweth not but make War against it II. There are many absolute Lyes recorded in T. Hicks's Book I give a hint but of some 1. He saith All things necessary to Salvation are contained in the Scriptures and in no other Record in the World either without or within Men. Answ The Record of God is true which is within men 2 He saith That the Light within is so far from being a sufficient Guide that it ought to be rejected Indeed Thomas Hicks doth reject it which he ought not to do 3. T. Hicks saith That p●rfect Freedom from all Sin will cause much Pride and Presumption and hinder holy Fear and holy Watchfulness and industrious Endeavours to walk in a holy Course to the end Answ If T. Hicks's Sins and Imperfections would have kept him from Pride and Presumption why then is he so proud and presumptuous hardly any like him as his Books do manifest III. Now besides his absolute note some of T. H's suspected Lyes 1. P. 9. T. H. saith A Quaker told him that he esteemed the Blood of Christ spilt at Jerusalem no more than an Vnholy or Common Thing 2. P. 29 T. H. saith That G. Fox and R. H. said It is dangerous for Ignorant People to read the Scriptures Who will believe this 3. Pag. 30. T. Hicks asked J. Story Whether the Light in every man is sufficient to guide to Salvation J. Story answered as T. Hicks saith in his Book That he did not come to be Catechised Answ But J. Story did not answer three Priests so at the Town Hall in Marlbrough where I dwell before the Magistrates and a Multitude sixteen years ago but answered so that they never desired or not endeavoured to dispute with Quakers since 4. The Ill Report that T. Hicks hath cast upon as he calls Fox Dewsbury Atkinson Whitehead Crisp Burroughs Howgill Penn and others is a suspected Lye Who will believe T. Hicks but such as are deceived with him by the Accuser of the Brethren in whose Steps he treads Now I expect what I shall receive It is likely the same which T.H. saith in his Title page and Postscript of his Dialogue namely That the Method and Manner of the Quakers reasoning is Scurrilous Language though they speak Scripture-words as to name Dog Swine Viper Serpent Lyar c. but when the Persons spoken to are such then it is Truth and no Scurrilous Language To J. Faldo and Tho. Hicks Friends YE are both Strangers to me I have no certain Knowledg of you but by your Books which when I received and took Notice of your Waters I found your dis-ease Your Waters are not Rivers of Living Water which flow out of the Belly of such as believe in Christ as Joh. 7 38. nor the pure River-Water clear as Crystal out of the Throne of God and of the Lamb. Rev. 22. but brackish foul Water out of the foaming Sea that casteth up Mire and Dirt out of which the Beast rose Rev. 13. Waters upon which the Whore sits that hath made the Nations Drunk with the Wine of her Fornications Rev. 17 So according to these Scriptures your Dis-ease is a Beastly Drunken Whorish Distemper Consider in your own hearts and be wise Paul Persecuted that Truth which afterward he preached Come I hope your Day is not wholly over I can assure you of a Remedy if ye in Faith and Patience take it It is this Turn into the Light of Christ within you notwithstanding ye have spoken all manner of evil against it slighted reproach'd and vilifi'd it Yet come now submit to it and follow it it will cure all your Maladies Ye have a sufficient Warrant for what I tell you Joh. 8.12 Jesus saith I am the Light of the World he that followeth me shall not abide in Darkness but shall have the Light of Life Object But if ye should object and say what is one sheet in Answer to Three Books containing 556. pages Answ I did fear ye were affected with Tautology more then Brevity with Obscurity more then Perspicuity John saw in the Hand of the Angel a little Book Rev 10. I have answered the Sum and Substance of your Three Books though brief yet plain particulars in them of little Value are reduceable and comprehended in the Summary There is enough charged against you clear your selves of that first and make invalid my Proofs if ye can Thomas Lawrence ONe day before I came forth I met with another Book of Tho. Hicks intituled A Continuation of his former Dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker Why Thomas are not Quakers Christians what are all Pagans but whom T. Hicks will allow the name of Christian Some Baptists whose dwelling is in Marlbrough said in my hearing That Master Hicks having a Book in his hand written Dialogue-way cast it away with great dis-like and said It was an unjust way of Printing And gave his reasons for it First said he The Translator hath all in his own hand and can make his Opposer say what he pleases to serve his own Turn Secondly he will take the weakest part of his Opponent to work upon and as I may say rather then fail make Lyes of his own and fence with them as he hath done in both his Books So instead of Repenting of doing that which he then condemned he Continueth in his Sin after Conviction as if he were wholly hardened regarding neither Justice nor Honesty nor his Account at the Day of Judgment when he must answer for all his Deeds done in the Body He saith That Printing Dialogue way is unjust and hath given his Reasons yet hath printed two Dialogues himself and so hath done the same thing for which he hath condemned another and therefore he is inexcusable Rom 2. So to conclude he hath condemn'd all his own Writings what need any more Proof or Arguments against him Friends J. Faldo and T. Hicks I wonder that Men so Learned and Eloquent as ye would seem to be and would be accounted solid and leading Men should be so much in the vain Jangling Contentions and needless Repetitions In the tenth part of the Paper you might have written more and to better purpose Though Quaking and Trembling is that which some of God's dear Servants have known yet who hath ever said That Quaker or Quakerism is Christianity or in what Tongue or Language have ye found the words Ye fight against less then a Shaddow a Figment of your own as T. Hicks calls I 'le tell you from whence your words are from the Beast that rose out of the Sea from the blind World that lies in Wickedness from the Stock of Ishmael who are Mockers born after the Flesh from the Devil the Father of Lyes Now take notice of your Original and what your State and Condition is whilst ye stand where ye are If I had had more time I know not that I should have written any more There is enough charged against you already answer that first if ye can There be some Books printed already and some to print to lay open your Weakness more at large Ye had better proceed no further lest ye be found Fighters against God T. L.