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A42157 The baptist not Babylonish, or The Quakers tongue no slander Being a brief reply to a foolish and scandalous pamphlet called the Babylonish baptist. Written by G.W. a Quaker-teacher. Wherein his malice, insolence, and ignorance is discovered and detected. And a book lately published, intituled, Light from the sun of righteousness, is vindicated from those pretended contradictions, and groundless cavils made against it. H.G. Grigg, Henry. 1672 (1672) Wing G2021A; ESTC R219909 10,599 32

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THE Baptist not Babylonish OR THE QUAKERS TONGUE no Slander Being a brief Reply To a Foolish and Scandalous Pamphlet called the Babylonish Baptist Written by G.W. a Quaker-Teacher Wherein his Malice Insolence and Ignorance is discovered and detected And a Book lately Published Intituled Light from the Sun of Righteousness is vindicated from those pretended Contradictions and groundless Cavils made against it H. G. Job 6.25 How forcible are right words but what doth your arguing reprove 2 Tim. 3.8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses so do these also resist the Truth Men of corrupt minds reprobate concerning the Faith London Printed in the year 1672. and to be sold by F. Smith at the Elephant and Castle near the Royal Exchange The Preface Christian Reader THere is as the wise man saith no end of making many Books and thou mayst 't is probable conclude that to undertake in and about Controversies of Religion of this nature is a fruitless and wearisom work especially to have to do with those captious People called Quakers Truly were not the Glory of God the Fundamentals of Christianity and the everlasting well-being of the Souls of Men and Women of such high concernment I should not have set Pen to Paper upon this account nor in the least have troubled my self in opposing the vile and evil Doctrine of these foolish contradicting and confused People I am forced to have to do with at this time If thou hast seen that little Book I lately published intituled Light from the Sun of Righteousness thou mayest clearly perceive what weighty Grounds and Arguments stirr'd me up to undertake that matter and though thou mayst suppose that works of this kind do but tend to the feeding of that lying and deluding Spirit which is in these deceived People yet have we some good ground to judge that God hath blessed some former undertakings of this nature to the great benefit and advantage of some poor Souls and let none blame us for standing up in the defence of Christ and the Gospel when the Foundation of true Religion and Godliness is thus struck at But to be short this I can say and testifie in the presence of the great God in opposition to what G. W. doth suggest that I have not the least enmity nor hatred in my heart against the Persons of any of these People called Quakers nor are we offended or troubled at their present Liberty as he seems to charge us though we cannot deny but their Principles and unsound Doctrines tend to the wounding and grieving of our Souls because we see daily more and more the dangerous and damnable nature thereof And now as touching that foolish and ridiculous Pamphlet put forth by G. W. wherein he labours to make the World believe that little else is contained in that Book before mentioned save self-Contradictions I have been stirred up to offer these few lines by way of Answer wherein you have First those things he calls Contradictions set down verbatim and Secondly some Reflections upon his absurd Animadversions on the same and I shall leave the unprejudiced Reader to judge between us and the issue to the Almighty Farewel A brief Reply To a foolish and scandalous Pamphlet called the Babylonish Baptist IT may not be amiss in the first place to inform thee whosoever thou art concerning the Method G. W. hath taken in his Answer to the aforesaid Book which is only a Collection of several things in a confused and ridiculous manner therein contained which he saith are contradictory to each other with some Animadversions upon them which in Order I have set down exactly after his own fashion as followeth H. G. Saith viz. I utterly deny that this Light which all men have from the glorious Creator is a saving Light page 8. H. G. In Contradiction saith I really believe that the Lord Jesus as the Eternal Word hath given Light or enlightned all Men and Women that come into the world p. 8. G. W. his Animadversion The Light or Life of the Eternal Word which is the Light of Men John 1.4 is Spiritual and Divine as is that Word and therefore saving c. Reply It seems to me as if this Man had lost his common Reason Can he make any rational person believe that these two places he mentions first of all are contradictory to each other Because I deny that the Light which is in all Men is a saving Light and yet say in the second place I really believe all have a Light in them from Christ considered as Creatour doth this contradict the former this can't be a Contradiction unless he can prove there is no Light proceedings from the Eternal Word as Creator but what is saying What though it be granted that the Light which all men that come into the World are lighted with flows from the Eternal Word and so is Spiritual must it needs therefore be a saving Light Was not the Law given forth on Mount Sinai a Light of or which did come from the Eternal Word And doth not Paul say That the Law is Spiritual Rom. 7.14 and yet doth he not call it a Ministration of Death 2 Cor. 3.7 and that it killed and doth he not in Gal. 3.21 clearly shew that it could not give life And in other places that there was no Justification by it But I shall leave this to another time and pass to the next thing you call a Contradiction viz. H. G. The great darkness of these men who cry up Light and Power within this wile of Satan and cheat of Antichrist p. 31. H. G. Contra. The Lord Jesus as the Eternal Word inlighteneth all men This Light is the substance of the Law The Candle of the Lord. It doth convince sin pag. 9. If Heathens followed it they would shine in just living The work of Faith with power I do maintain that is required and must be wrought with power in the heart pag. 15 16. G.W. his Animad What horrible blasphemy is it then to term our crying up the Light and Power of Christ within the Wile of Satan and Cheat of Antichrist and how plainly hereby refuted c. Reply This is the second thing you call a contradiction I shall examine these places that so your Lyes and Ignorance may be manifested I say the darkness of these men who cry up Light and Power within is great and I did say in pag. 31. I should make appear this Wile of Satan and Cheat of Antichrist that is to say The evil Doctrine and Principles of yours concerning the Light within as it immediately followeth and is declared in the same page of the said Book And do I contradict this in affirming there is a Light in all men called the Candle of the Lord and in owning the inward work of Faith with power upon the heart c Because you seem so dark of apprehension I shall shew you your dishonesty and willful mistake and what little reason you have to cry
contradiction and absurd to assert that Jesus Christ is God and Man subsisting in two real distinct Natures being Davids Root and Davids Off-spring because I said he is man and that the Divinity distinct and apart from the Humanity is not the Christ and yet also said he is God Everlasting and the Son of God by an Eternal Generation He sayes it is a Contradiction and absurd The Lord deliver these poor Nations from such horrible Heresies Delusions and vile Impostures H.G. The Principles of the Quakers concerning the Light within the impurity and vileness of which Principles I may further make appear p. 48. H. G. Contrad The Word considered as Creator is the true Light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world p. 48. G. W. his Animad It is no less than Blasphemy to charge this Principle to wit the Light of the Eternal Word the Creator with Vileness and Impurity Reply Doubtless the Light in this man is almost quite gone out for else he might see that what he here minds with unchristian reflections is not in the least any contradiction The Quakers Doctrine and Principles concerning the Light within is impure and vile and the same I do still affirm and yet assert That the Word considered as Creator is the true Light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world and is this any contradiction Friend do not mistake your self I do not charge the Light of the Eternal Word or the Light in every man with Vileness and Impurity I acknowledge the Light which is in all and do esteem it and have a regard to it in its place and do say it witnesses for God and serves for the end and purpose when obeyed for which it was given unto man yet that which you Quakers speak of it is abominable and to be detested by all good Christians It was never bestowed upon man to be made an Idol of and set up in the place of God himself It is Blasphemy to say it is the Divine Essence it is a vile and wicked thing to say it is the Lord Jesus Christ the Lamb of God the great Prophet God promised to raise up it is a vile Error to say it is the Holy Spirit or blessed Comforter for that Christ saith the World could not receive and abominable it is to say 't will cleanse from all sin and Eternally save those that obey it which many of you affirm and herein your Principle of the Light appears vile and impure G. H. God forbid that I should ever own their Principle of the Light in all that doth so clearly tend to the razing out the grand Fundamentals of the Gospel G. H. Contrad Praises and Halelujah to God for ever who hath given us that Witness in our selves of which thou speakest which Witness his Sister spake of was the Light which reproves for sin to own and believe in the Light that enlighteneth every man that cometh into the World G. W. his Animad See what a sad pass these men are proven to and what kind of Prayers they offer to God against his own Light or Witness within and how contrary to the Gospel-Spirit and Light they are Reply G. W. should have perused the Letter I wrote that Book in Answer to before he returned any thing by way of Answer to me for he belyes both Me and my Sister in what he saith here for the Witness she spoke of in her Letter is not that he affirms in his Pamphlet viz. The Light which reproves for sin which is in every one that cometh into the World though I confess she bids me believe in the Light that reproves for sin which lighteth every one that cometh into the World as pag. 8. 29. But contrariwise she mentioned upon this occasion the very express words of the Apostle John 1 Joh. 5.10 He that believeth hath the Witness in himself and that Witness through Grace I in my measure do experience not that I believe in that Light which every man that cometh into the World is inlightned with for Life and Salvation for that is an insufficient Saviour and such a Belief will fail that is not the object author and finisher of my Faith but it is the Lord Jesus Christ who by one Offering hath perfected for ever all those that are sanctified Heb. 10.14 And thus you may see that all those Contradictions Lyes and Absurdities that G. W. charges H. G. with are returned upon his own head by which you may perceive that all the stir this man makes is but like smoke and darkness which the beams of true Light from the Sun of Righteousness doth vanquish and expel Reader G. W is pleased to say pag. 6. that there are more absurdities and false accusations against them in that Book called Light from the Sun of Righteousness and doth also proceed to instance in one or two viz. in saying they deny the Man Christ and the Resurrection I cannot but admire at the insolency of these Men who though they are found daily in the sight of all persons denying that Man to be the Christ who was born of the Virgin and was crucified on the Cross yet would fain have men to believe they are falsly accused But that this is a true charge I suppose these very lines may serve to inform thee For if it be absurd to say Christ doth consist of a Humane body of Flesh and Bone or is Man or to say the Deity Divine nature or God-head was not the Christ considered distinct and apart from the Humane nature must it not needs follow from hence they deny the Man Christ Jesus Doth he not positively assert that it is a contradiction to affirm the Lord Jesus Christ is God and Man Doth he not deny his humane Nature and the glorious Hypostatical Union If this comes further to be controverted we shall be able God assisting to make it appear yet more plainly Have not some of them said That Christ was never seen with an outward eye nor heard with an outward ear and that they cannot call the bodily Garment the Christ but that which dwelt in the Body See a Book stiled Some Principles of the Elect people of God called Quakers Page 116. And now Reader I hope thou wilt find that what this man hath yet said in Answer to my little Book hath been just nothing for that he cannot prove it meer contradiction confusion and darkness as with the tongue of Infamy he is pleased to call it And I appeal to thee Do not the Quakers appear to all Men to be Babylonish rather than H.G. and other Baptists which he doth reproachfully call so G. W. saith he hath writ a full Answer unto the said Book Thou mayest perceive by this what a bundle of confusion the rest will prove for I never saw yet any distinct solid Answer given by him to any Book which hath come out against them The Lord deliver Christ's poor Lambs from being preyed upon and devoured by ravening Wolves Matt. 7.15 and grant them Repentance who have not sinned the unpardonable Sin Farewel POSTSCRIPT ANd since G. W. would make us believe that the Quakers own the man Christ and the Resurrection of the body I shall only ask him a few Questions desiring a direct distinct and plain Answer to them and conclude First Was he the Christ and true Saviviour that was born of the Virgin yea or nay Secondly If you say he was I Query whether that same Christ be in the heart of every Man and Woman Thirdly Whether he that you own to be the Christ and true Saviour was put to death or crucified on the Cross Fourthly Whether you believe there is any other Christ than what is in the heart of Man yea or nay Fifthly If that Body that was nailed to the Cross was but as a Garment which the true Christ did wear or as a House in which he did dwell why may not any other Man in whose flesh Christ is manifested and doth dwell be called the Christ as well as Jesus of Nazareth Sixthly If you own the Man-Christ why do you affirm it is a contradiction to say he is God of the Substance of the Father and yet truly Man made like unto us in all things Sin only excepted for either he must be meer Man or meer God else it cannot be any Contradiction and if you say he is meer Man then you seem to side with those Jews that accused our Saviour for blasphemy in that being a Man he made himself God John 10.33 and if you say he is meer God doth it not then clearly follow you deny the Man-Christ Seventhly I Query whether you own any other Resurrection than what you say you experience within Eighthly Whether you believe that that Body of flesh and bone which is laid in then Grave respecting the matter or substance of it shall by the mighty power of God b●… raised from the dead at the last day Ninthy Whether that Man whosoever he be doth not deny the Resurrection of the dead who doth deny the same IT which is sown and shall rise mentioned 1 Cor. 15.38 to intend the same Body respecting the matter or substance of it which was buried and laid in the Grave Answer plainly without Equivocation FINIS