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A33355 One blow more at the Saducees and gross antichristian errors containing a brief narrative of the most material things that passed in discourse at Kings-Heath-Meeting the 4th of October 1696 betwixt Thomas Curtis, an antient preacher among the Quakers and me, William Clarke, one that belonged to that meeting. Clarke, William, Quaker.; Richardson, John, 1667-1753. 1697 (1697) Wing C4568A; ESTC R26480 7,089 10

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Earth that he took of the Virgin glorified at God's right hand T.C. said Where is God's right hand Here is another of his Quibbles said he And said He would not answer to it and he would not suffer me to speak to it but fell again to Preaching to drown the People's understanding but by the consequence of his fore-going Answer he meant God's right hand is no where but in Man for he said he knew of no Christ but in himself Neither said he do I know what is become of that prepared Body nor where it is nor do I care And when I would have put him to have answered to some of my Queries in my Letter to him I told him they contained Fundamental Doctrines all the answer was said he Thou dost not know what is Fundamental Doctrines I answered Then I have been ill taught by thee for so many Years Now we have many Witnesses what gross Errors he held and publickly avouched this Letter of mine was writ to him the 27th of the 2d Month 1696. and this was the 4th of October 1696. it broke forth into such a Flame without any Provocation and none of the Meeting but himself knew this design as I know of that was there for in a little time after T. C. had received my Letter I met him at Malbrough where we had discourse about the Letter and he told me he would not answer it neither did I give any one a Copy of it and shewed my Copy but to a few particular Persons and when he had told the People in his Preaching some said we kept our Meanings hid but said he I declare openly and yet many Questions he was asked afterward he said he would not answer but said they were Quibbles and several gross Errors he maintained them for Truth And now it plainly appears that from their Preaching and Books that many People called Quakers not only in England have been poysoned with these gross Errors but in America also And now I hope none will or can blame me that have any regard to the Christian Religion that I make this publick and cry aloud against such gross Errors And T.C. had often challenged us before I writ to him If any of us were dissatisfied he would satisfie And when I shewed my dissatisfaction by Writing he was offended and acted so disorderly as this Narrative gives an Account and he Challenged 5000 of us to meet us half way I answered him and said It must be then to hear thee speak for thou wilt let no Body else speak And thus it ended and several told him he had not done a fair thing and it was shameful Thomas Curtis his Answer to William Clarke's Eight Queries which he gave in a Publick Meeting His Answer to the First Question I know not what is become of Christ's prepared Body nor where it is neither do I care This is William Clark's Quibble His Answer to the Second Question Here is another of his Quibbles I know nothing of Christ but within my self and T. C. being asked whether Christ had a Soul he said I do not know that he had a Soul His Answer to the Third Question There is no Resurrection but of the Soul from the Death of Sin our Bodies are the Graves this I have often preached and I do maintain it His Answer to the Fourth Question Here is another of his Quibbles W. C. askedT C. whether the Light within was the Blood of Christ He would catch me said T. C. I know nothing of Christ but within my self I will not answer thee To the Fifth T. C. gave no Answer therefore Solomon Eccles's may serve here that the Blood of Christ was no more than the Blood of another Saint His Answer to the Sixth Question Paul got all his Resurrection while living in this World and I expect my own Body shall be changed like unto Christ's Glorious Body here in this World and there is no other Resurrection but of the Soul from the Death of Sin our Bodies are the Graves His Answer to the Seventh Question I know nothing of Christ but within my self and for that prepared Body I do not know where it is neither do I care His Answer to the Eighth Question T. Curtis being desired to answer whether it was the Godhead that suffered or the Manhood I know not said T. Curtis whether it was the Godhead or the Manhood that suffered these things are Quibbles So Reader when thou hast considered the Narrative and compared T. C's Answers to the Eight Questions in my Letter sent to him bearing date the 22d of the 2d Month 1696. thou wilt find George Whitehead and William Penn and Thomas Curtis agree in gross Errors by comparing T. C's Answers with G.W. and W P's Books And He the said Thomas Curtis challenged 5000 of us half way from his own Dwelling to meet to dispute and maintain his Principles Reader I have been among the Quakers between 6 and 7 and 30 Years and have been a Hearer of T. C. near 30 Years and I do say he is a Man I had and still have a kindness for as a Man having long hoped to have recovered him from these gross and pernicious Errors but now he seems rather more bold in these gross Errors than formerly This I do further say I never heard T. Curtis in all my Life pray to God to forgive us our Sins for Jesus sake but boast of his own Perfections that he was come to the Resurrection and had all the Resurrection he did ever expect and all the Judgment he hath said I have here in this World and at the time of Death Many can testifie these things have been common with T. C. to preach and always Father his Doctrine upon the Spirit of God And now I shall leave it to all Impartial Men whether the Light in this Man is not gross Darkness nay in the first Week of November 1699. I heard a Foxonian Quaker say in my House that they did not adore Gorge Fox but the Light in George Fox And said the same Quaker to me Thomas Curtis holds all the Principles of the Quakers Rightly In 1695. I had some Discourse with T. C. of Christ Ascending into Heaven and he would not own it I brought the first of the Acts to prove it which said Ye Men of Galilee why stand ye gazing up into Heaven this same Jesus which is taken up from you into Heaven shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into Heaven He told me he did not believe it was so writ but said he If it be so writ every Like is not the same You see by his Answers to my Queries that he will not own Christ to be a Man for if he had no Soul he could not be a Man he had only a prepared Body but where it is or what is become of it neither said T. C. do I care Now these things were not done in secret or private