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A43724	A continuation of The dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker wherein the truth of those things objected against them in the first part, are fully confirm'd : together with a further account of their perilous and pernitious errors concerning the person of Christ, His satisfaction, justification, sanctification, the ministry, and immediate motions are in this second part, cleerly and plainly represented out of the writings of some of their principal, and most approved leaders / published for the common information of such as either really are, or may be, in danger of being insnared and intangled by them by Thomas Hicks.	Hicks, Thomas, 17th cent.	1673 (1673)	Wing H1919; ESTC R21822	53,818	100

Christ dwells in another manner in the Saints then once he did amongst them which is as much as to say Christ is not a person without them Did Edw. Burroughs believe that these replies of his were proper answers to the questions Quak. Blessed be the Lord that hath discovered thee so thy queries are answer'd in the eternal life and light of God and Judgment is given upon thee and them which thou shalt eternally witness Thy queries are answer'd lovingly and plainly and in the Scripture language and terms and with the eternal light and life of God set thee in thy own place which thou shalt eternally witness Ibid. p. 34. Chr. What horrid blasphemy arrogance and wilful lying are these few concluding words guilty of to say these queries are answer'd in the eternal life and light of God is a most blasphemous intituling the Divine Majesty to all Edw. Burroughs his multiplyed Railings Lies and Impertinencies Could the Devil himself have been more vile and was it not prodigious arrogancy in this man to take upon him to determine a mans endless condition Is it not also a most odious lye to say these queries are answer'd lovingly and plainly in Scripture language and terms Is railing cursing and damning a person loving and plain answers Is sot and sottish Beast c. Scripture language and terms The Lord in mercy deliver us from such Prophets who are justly worthy of the abhorrence of all men Thus I have given you some account of the memorable works of this eminent Quaker printed 1672. with the Epistles of Ellis Hooks Josiah Coale George Whitehead Francis Howgill and George Fox that the Ages to come may see what monsters this Age produced O my Soul come not thou into their Secrets unto their Assembly Gen. 49.6 I presume by this time thou maist be satisfied that I have not wrong'd you in the Dialogue but did therein represent you and your manner of speaking in more favourable terms then you see I could or might have done what farther have you to object Quak. We say they are lyes and slanders and thou art a most irreligious miscreant Chr. Several of you that were moved thus to express your minds being asked whether you had read the Dialogue answer'd No How then do you know they are all lyes Is it not a most disingenious thing to pass sentence on you know not what I see 't is as easie to wash the Blackmoor white as 't is to reclaim you from this accustomed evil Those of you who have read the Dialogue may know if you will that I have not onely quoted your Books but have done it truly and honestly can this then be of any Service to you when any person that examines the quotations may see your error As for that term miscreant George Whitehead is pleas'd to impose upon me I think it unworthy of any farther notice then this that for want of argument he takes up dirt which was no wayes becoming him having told us in print That he never found any man convinced by ill language Divinity of Christ p. 89. What more hast thou to say Quak. Thou sayst We hold the Soul to be God whereas we distinguish between the Power that saves and that which is saved G. W. Dip. Pl. p. 15. Chr. Did I not cite your metropolitan G. Fox direct you to his Book and Page where you may read these words That the Soul is part of Gods Being without beginning and infinite Darest thou say I have not quoted him truly But saith George Whitehead We distinguish between the Soul and its Saviour So doth G. Fox seem to distinguish When he calls God the Bishop of the Soul notwithstanding which he saith The Soul is a part of Gods Being If then there be any thing in his distinction 't is onely this That one part of God is Bishop over another George Whitehead also pretends to distinguish between Christ and his light or gift Apolog. 35. And yet in his Dip. Pl. p. 13. saith The life is the light of men and this life and light is divine and increated so that the meaning of his distinction must be That Christ is not divine and increated but his Light is If both be increated what signifies his distinction James Naylor likewise distinguisheth between the light and the seed within and yet tells us The light is Christ and the seed is Christ so that your distinguishing is but a collusion to baffle and amuse simple and ignorant people Hence as one of your own Friends hath said of you we find but too true though your years have been but few yet you have been exceeding expert in learning the subtilties that is the equivocations of the Papists Who of you ever writ against this position of George Fox concerning the Soul Or which of you dare give it under your hands That herein your Superintendent was deceived Quak. Whereas thou hast said we deny the Person of Christ herein thou art a lyar the person of Christ we own and witness Chr. But do you acknowledge him to be a distinct person without you Quak. Jesus Christ a Person without us is not Scripture language but the Anthropomorphites and Muggletonians Whitehead Dip. Pl. p. 13. Chr. If Jesus Christ be not a Person distinct from you who or what is Jesus Christ Quak. 'T is God himself if God be the Light and that Light be Christ then God is Christ Penns Innocency with open face p. 8. Again 't is the light in us we own no other Redeemer but that Person the Son of God who died at Jerusalem who is the light in us Naylor and Hubborthorns answer to the Phanatique History p. 13. Chr. You say you own the Person of Christ is the light in you a person and is it the very Son of God and did it indeed die at Jerusalem Quak. We say He that was slain upon the Cross is the very Christ of God and the very Christ of God is in us Burroughs Works p. 9. 149. Chr. If God be Christ as Penn saith or if the Light within you be the Christ as Naylor and Hubberthorne affirm Is it proper or safe to say God was slain or that the Light in you was crucified Quak. Ye have condemn'd and kill'd the Just James 5. 5 6. that is Christ Jesus in their hearts him they crucified G. Keith Immediat Revelation p. 77. Chr. Is Christ really and indeed crucified in the hearts of men onely Quak. As Christ is and lives in himself he cannot be crucified but his appearance may Keith Ibid. Chr. You distinguish between Christ and his appearance and say He himself cannot but his appearance may be crucified Is not this as much as to say His appearance is but a Creature But how will this agree with the Dictates of others of your Ministry who say The Light within is divine and increated I perceive if we examine you distinct your tales will not agree And when G. Keith saith Ye kill'd the Just

This is my testimony to this man of God who hath been a blessing to the Lord in his Generation Josiah Coale his Epistle before Edw. Burroughs his Works in Folio Chr. Was this Josiah Coale a real Quaker Quak. He was so Chr. In what respect did the Almighty Power of God live and raign in him and how was he a blessing to the Lord for I must confess I do not well understand the meaning of this testimony Quak. 'T is no matter for answering such cavilling Questions Chr. Who else gives their Testimony to Edw. Burroughs and his Works Quak. These memorable Works of Edw. Burroughs printed for the good of Generations to come 1672. is brought forth for us and our Children and such as are moderate and well affected greater desires hereof could not be in any then in my own particular I having travelled both to answer and serve the truth and the desires of Friends herein Let none condemn the honest plainness and harmless simplicity of any of his first Works here inserted for many are living Witnesses that the Power and Wisdom of God did then appear and shew it self through such plainness and simplicity to the confounding of the wisdom of many that seemed high and lofty And thus dear Friends as the Salvation of our dear Brother Edw. Burroughs according to his desire whilst in the Body I recommend this Volume of his Books being therein the Truths and your Servant Ellis Hooks See the Epistle Dedicatory to the Quakers Chr. Of what use and service do you judge these Works may be to you and to your Children Quak. It may not be unnecessary for Friends and Children to read and peruse these Testimonies Informations and Vindications of Truth where they are in a way of Controversie given forth the reading whereof may be of service to them they being in the light and inspiration of the Almighty from which all Scriptures or Writings that are given forth are profitable to the man of God for his accommodation for though many of you are come to a particular satisfaction in the true Light and know so much of Christ so as to dye for him yet cannot so well dispute for him Though that be necessary and few given up and accomplished for that Service therefore there may be need for more to apply their hearts to wisdom Ellis Hooks ibid. Chr. If written Testimonies and Vindications be profitable to the Man of God for his accommodation to help him to Dispute as you plainly intimate Doth not this interfere with that grand Notion of yours which saith You must do all by the immediate motion of the power within But if the Light and Power which you and your Children have be not sufficient of it self to accomplish you for this Service of Disputation for and vindicating of that you call the Truth why then do you contend so much for its All-sufficiency me-thinks you who pretend to infallibility should be very careful to make one story agree with another and not thus to be taken in different tales to the manifest disparagement both of your selves and Opinions But is this Ellis Hooks a true Quaker Quak. Thou needst not doubt that forasmuch as be was imploy'd in that Service for the collecting and printing these Works of Edw. Burroughs and also allow'd to prefix his Epistle before it And there are others who were and are in the Ministry that hath given their Testimony to this Servant and Prophet of the Lord as thou mayst see in their Epistles before his Works Shall Dayes Moneths and Years wear out thy Name Shall not thy noble and valiant Acts which thou hast wrought through the Power of him that separated thee from the Womb live in Generations to come The Children yet unborn shall have thee in their mouths and thy Works shall testifie of thee in Generations that yet have no Being and shall account thee blessed When I think of thee I am melted into tears of sorrow because of the want that the Inheritance of the Lord hath of thee Francis Howgill As for Edw. Burroughs our dear Brother and Companion in travel suffering and consolation for the everlasting Gospels sake his Testimony lives with us He was a Preacher of Righteousness one who travell'd for the Redemption of the Creature from under the bondage of Corruption The name of this Minister of Righteousness is written in the Lambs Book of Life George Whitehead His name is chronicled in the Lambs Book of Life a righteous Plant a valiant Warrier more then a Conquerer who is dead but yet liveth amongst us and amongst us is alive George Fox Chr. Being well assured from these Testimonies that Edw. Burroughs was an approved Quaker then for the satisfaction of you and others in this Point whether I have feigned a Quaker as Whitehead suggests or made them speak otherwise then in their own proper Dialect I shall transcribe twenty questions which I find printed in the memorable Works of Edw. Burroughs together with the force and import of his Answers to each Question as you will find if you consult his Works in Folio printed 1672. wherein the Spirit and Principles of the Quakers is not a little laid open The questions were propounded as that Book informs me by one Philip Bennet 1. Q. Whether the Word was made Flesh more or oftner then once Quak. In this Quere thou are manifested what thou art where thou art and what spirit thou art of a Reprobate a Child of Darkness In this Quere thy spirit is seen and known in the eternal light thou knowest not what thou askest thy Quere comes from thy dark polluted mind Thou art a stranger to the Life without God in the World the Light condemns thee and all thy generation eternally The Word made Flesh we witness which dwells amongst us and we behold his Glory whereby we witness thee and all thy generation to be in the sorcery and witchcraft the light in thee will tell thee so to which thou must be obedient before thou canst witness the Word made Flesh onc't for thou art darkness it self when thou canst witness the Word made Flesh onc't then thou wilt know whether the Son of God was made of a Woman more or oftner then onc't But thou Dragon that would devour the Man-Child thou the Dragon with thy Angels art cast into the Earth For thy other nineteen Queres thou hast conjured them up in the Black Art out of the bottomless Pit Edw. Burrough's Works in Folio p. 29 30. Chr. Was ever Querist so rudely and uncivilly treated or was ever question thus ridiculously answer'd was this the honest plainness and harmles simplicity of this man and was this his silencing all Opposers Is there any thing in the question to provoke to such Bedlam Rhetorick to call a man Reprobate Child of Darkness a stranger to the Life without God in the World yea and to damn him eternally only for a modest and sober enquiry was this his valour for the Lamb what means

Geo. Keith Q. If I never be moved to pray c. am I not excused A. Is it of good report for un-inspired men to pray W. Pen. Q. Will you say t is of evil report if they doe A. What thou dost without an inward motion is accursed Edw. Burroughs All those duties that have sin in them had better be let alone Q. If the want of an Inward and Immediate motion will excuse us from duty what signifies the Law which God hath given to man to oblige him thereunto A. That is no command or Law to me which is given to another man Edw. Burrows Q. Are not all men sinless except when they obey not an inward motion A. I have told thee that they who take up a command from the letter are in the witchcraft Ed. Bur. Q. God rules the Stars by his Immediate power they being not capable of being govern'd by any other rule and if God do only govern and rule man by immediate motions wherein doth a Man differ from a Star A. Now thou runs into the imaginations Q. Either God hath given a rule to man or not and this rule is known or 't is not If there be a known rule then either it obligeth at all times or but at some if the former man alwayes sins if he obeys not if the latter assign those times when he is under no rule A. I think not meet to satisfie thy busie mind Q. If inward motions impulses or inspirations be the onely rule to every Individual why do you set up a court amongst your selves to give rules to others A. We being a religious Body have a power within our selves W. Pen Sp. Alex. p. 6. Q. By what rule shall I be assured of that A. We as a believing body have the holy Spirit we know we are of God and the world that withstand our testimony are in the Gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity W. P. ibid. 13. Q. Is not this to justifie what is said of you they that will not believe your sayings you will not spare to censure them but do not you herein apparently set up the Judgment of the Body above the Light within A. We deny that to be Light which opposeth the the Judgment of the body W. P. ibid. 14. The body will have a true sense feeling and understanding of motions visions revelations and doctrines therfore 't is safest to make her the touchstone in all things relating to God Sp. of the Hat p. 21. Q. What safty can there be in relying on such a body that act by no known rule or law A. We have the power And will not such that are in the power do right ibid. Q. By what known rule do you exert your power that so the peccant person may be convinced you do him no wrong A. We as a Body have power to determine therfore we abhor renounce rebuke with all severity that rude imagination of the Hat on in publick Prayer W. Pen Sp. of Alex. p. 4 5. 9. Q. You take that for graunted which is denied how do you make it appear you have such a power A. Thou art angry not that there is a rule but that thou hast no share in it W. Pen. Sp. of Alex. p. 4. Q. Is not this as much as to say that the will and pleasure of the Elders is the rule and not the light within if so what signifies all your contests about the sufficiency of the light in every man A. I have told thee that we know we are of God and they who withstand our Testimony are in the gall of bitterness W. Pen. Q. If your pretences be sufficient to determine other persons why may not the like pretence in them determine you If you urge the Scriptures or primitive practice for your rule you will entangle your selves If you say The body or court is the rule then you set up the Body both above the Scriptures and the light within Will not a little measure of light discover your folly herein I shall proceed to another question Who or what is Jesus Christ A. 'T is God himself W. Pen. 'T is the light in us Nayler and Hubberthorn Q. It is said that Jesus Christ was crucifyed but is it safe to say God himself or the Light within was crucifyed A. Yee have condemned and kill'd the just that is Christ Jesus in their hearts him they crucifyed in his appearance G. Keith Q. Is Christ one thing and his Appearance another A. Yea For Christ as he is and lives in himself cannot be crucifyed but his appearance may G. Keith Q. When the Scriptures speak of Christ crucifyed do they mean onely his Appearance and not Himself and is this meaning solid A. Yea. Q. Why do you speak and write so darkly and doubtfully of the person of Christ A. You are not able to bear what we have to hold forth concerning Him should we deliver what we hold concerning Jesus Christ we should be stoned in the streets Rob. Wastfield Q. What think you of that-Christ who was born at Bethlem and dyed at Jerusalem A. Jesus Christ at Jerusalem a type figure a shaddow that is past away Do you when you rise in the morning think on God do you see God in every creature and in your self think on these things and trouble not your self about Jesus at Jerusalem This was uttered before many credible witnesses by an eminent Quaker Q. Is not Jesus Christ a distinct person without you A. Jesus Christ a person without us is not Scripture-language but the Anthropomorphits and Muggletonians G. Whitehead Q. Is not Christ in person at Gods right hand A. Jesus Christ is at Gods right hand but I cannot believe he hath a personal Being at the right hand of God G. W. Q. What do you intend by Gods right hand A. Christ nor Gods right hand is not to be limited to a remoteness from the Saints G.W. Q. What is the meaning of that text The same Jesus that went away shall in like manner come again Acts 1.10 11. A. I deny he shall come visibly and though it be said in like manner yet every like is not the same G. Whitehead Q. Do not you believe that Christ will come the second time without sin to Salvation A. He is come the second time Q. 'T is true Christ is come by his Spirit but is there not another Coming A. What other Coming wouldst thou have Q. The Scriptures speak of his Coming to judg both the quick and the dead do you beleive this A. Why dost thou trouble thy self about such foolish and silly things Q. Pray answer directly whether you believe Christ shall come to judge the quick and the dead A. I perceive that which troubles thee is the puzling thy self so much in that book the Bible thou wilt never be settled till thou throw away that Book Q. Do you deny the second personal Coming of Christ A. They are like to be deceived who are

expecting that Christs second Coming will be personal G. Whitehead Q. What signifies those words When he comes every eye shall see him they that peirced him c A. To say they that peirced that body shall see that body are not Scripture-words G. Whitehead Q. Hath Christ no body A. Yea the Church is his body Ed. Burroughs Q. Hath Christ no other body but his Church A. This is an ensnaring question Ed. Bur. Q. What snare can be in it if you beleive he hath another Body A. To say Christ hath two bod●es one out of the sight of the Saints there is so much wickedness and ignorance in the broachers hereof that it needs no answer Edw. Burroughs Q. Is not this as much as to say Christ hath no other Body but his Church A. They that accuse us for saying Christ hath but one body should produce plain Scripture that saith he hath two G. W. Q. Is there no other Christ but the Light within A. I have already said that they who deny Christ to be the light in every man are Antichrists Ed. Bur. Q. What doth the word Christ signifie A. Anointed Q. If the light be Christ what is its Vnction and to what end is it anointed and how may we conceive it capable to execute the office of a Priest Prophet and King A. Now thou runs into thy fleshly Conceivings Q. Is Christ in you in respect of that nature in which he suffered at Jerusalem A. Here thou Enemy of Christ wouldst know how the Saints injoy Christ Thou art in the nature that Judas was in who betrayed him Ed. Burroughs Q. Doth Christ really in these days take upon him the form of a Servant A. Thou dark beast and conjurer querying with thy conjured words Is Christ to be limitted to days in taking upon him the form of a servant Ed. Bur. Q. Is this answer serious and to the question A. Yea blessed be the Lord 't is an answer in the eternal life and light Ed. Burroughs Q. Is it not Impious to intitle God to such railing and impertinent Answers A. Thou shalt eternally witness them Ed. Bur. Q. Was Jesus Christ the gift of God A. He was so Q. Wherein doth that appear A. His doctrine life miracles death and sufferings to God is the gift and expression of God's eternal love for the salvation of men W. Pen. Q. Thou hast affirmed that God is Christ did then God himself dye and suffer to God c. A. Wilt thou deny that Christ is God's gift Q. Wilt thou prove that God gave himself to dye and suffer to God therein to express his eternal love for the salvation of men A. This a captious and ensnaring question Q. I perceive thou art entangled and it will be to little purpose to press thee to reconcile one dictate with another however pray shew wherein Christ was given for the salvation of men A. 1. In abolishing the other Covenant which consisted of shaddowy Ordinances 2. In promulgating his message of a most free and universal tender of Life to all that believe and follow him the Light in all his righteousness 3. In seconding his Doctrine with signs and miracle and a most innocent and a holy life 4. In ratifying and confirming all with great love and a holy resignation by offering up his body to be crucified by wicked hands and is thereby become a most compleat Captain and perfect Example W. Pen Sad. Found Q. Of what were those Ordinances shaddows A. Of the Light and Life Q. Was not the light and life at that time in the Jews A. Yea but not in that measure and degree as afterwards should be Q. Were they then shaddows onely of such a measure or degree as in future times should be vouchsafed A. Figures and shaddows are onely in force till the substance comes W. Pen. Q. Is not the light and life the substance A. The light is the same Jesus in his first appearance as the seed of light not come forth to the perfect day G. Keith Q. If then Jesus Christ in his first Appearance was at that time in the Jews then those ordinances could not be shaddows of that Of what then were they so A. As Christ apprehending the weakness of his disciples did think fit to leave them some figurative token and mark of his remembrance for them to be in the practice of till he was better known to them mystically and in the spirit therefore he said Do this till I come W. Pen. Apol. 134. Q. But were the Jewish ordinances figures only of Christ mystically and in the Spirit A. They were so Q. Was not Christ known mystically and in the Spirit at that time A. Not as afterwards he would be Q. If they were shaddows of something farther to be reveal'd Whether that degree of light they then had was not insufficient A. There is a sufficiency in the least degree of light to help and save him that takes heed to it S. Fisher Q. Is not that which is able to save the substance A. It is so Q. Are types figures shaddows of force and to be observed when the substance is come A. When the substance is come the shaddow ceaseth in point of Institution W. Pen. Apol 134. Q. Were not those shaddows Instituted by God A They were so Q. Were the Jews obliged to observe them A. Yea Q. Then Either the substance was not come or they were no shaddows or else they were ordain'd for some other end and purpose thus are you in a maze and run your selves into Irreconcilable absurdities and contradictions pray what was that doctrine which Christ seconded by Miracles A. That all men should take heed to him the Light of them Q. Forasmuch as all men acknowledge a light to be in every man and that it ought to be heeded what need was there of miracles to confirme this A. But all men do not acknowledg the light in every man to be the Christ of God Q. Very true were the Miracles then to prove this A. Yea. Q. Where was such a doctrine delivered by Christ and seconded by Miracles A. Doth not Christ say He is the light of men Q. Where doth he say The light in every man is the Christ of God A. They who deny the light in every man to be the Christ are Antichrists Ed. Bur. Q. What farther did Christ deliver as his doctrine which he seconded by Miracles A. A message of a most free universal tender of life to all that believe and follow him the light in all his righteousness W. Pen. Q. Was this all he seconded by miracles A. Yea. Q. Dost thou do well to say so since the Scriptures teach us otherwise A. What other Doctrine did he confirm by miracles Q. Was it not this That he himself was the Messiah promised and was sent into the world to dye for sinners and is not this that doctrine you so Strenuously oppugn A. Now thou insinuates a slander against us Q. What further