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A89851	A second answer to Thomas Moore, to that which he calls, his Defence against the poyson, &c. Wherein is shewed the crooked wayes, the Serpent is forced to take to keep God and his creatures at a distance, and yet would do it under the name of a teacher. But is seen to be the same, that perswaded man out from his guide in spirit, and now would keep him so, lest his unclean wayes in the heart of man should be discovered with the spiritual light of Christ; and so man should turn to the Lord, who is that spirit, and the vail be done away, ... Here is also 54. lies gathered out from amongst a multitude more, with T.M. hath heaped up for his defence, against the truth, which he calles the poyson of Satan, which are sent him back to the 48. that I sent him before, that he may either prove them, or they root with the founder, for the truth they touch not. / Set forth to clear the truth from this froth, cast upon it by the enemy thereof, By a friend to the seed of truth, called James Naylor.	Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.	1656 (1656)	Wing N314; Thomason E868_9; ESTC R202991	29,892	39

those things 18 That we are in greatest rage against those that plainly preach Jesus to be the very Christ 19 That at the Dispute we did stoutly despise trade underfoot and marre the visage of the Lord. 20 That I say I justifie no such thing as if any strike us on the one Check to turn the other 21 That my usuall way of asserting Christs personall appearance is in my own name 22 That we contemn Authority and deny Honour and respect civill and natural where due 23 That Christ or his light in us is darknesse it self 24 That we use Christ in us and the light as a Cloak of maliciousness and pride 25 That all our sufferings are occasioned as defiling the flesh or as evill doers 26 That we are as the Papists who suffer much for their principles sake 27 That our Principle leads us to follow our own spirit in contempt of all Commands of superiours even such as might be obeyed in the Lord and for his sake 28 That our Principle leads us in contempt of all Principles of Honesty Justice and Equity 29 That we desire to provoke wrath in others against such as are in places of Trust 30 That we desire to rush our selves into petty sufferings that we may glory in them 31 That I said that as Christ bore sins in that his own body that died at Jerusalem so he had born sins in my body 32 That I confound Christs forbearance of sin done in our bodies with his bearing sin in the imputation of sin and strokes in his own body to satisfie justice c. 33 That I acknowledge no such thing as Christs bearing sin himself in his own body in any other sence then he may be said still to bear them in us 34 That I reject the Testimony of Christ having suffered the just for the unjust bearing their sins in his body c. 35 That I fully signifie that the sufferings left behinde are to be suffered in divers persons as propitiatory 36 That my meaning is not that Christ so suffered for sin in that his own body prepared for him according to Scripture 37 That I hold forth Christ bearing sin as the propitiatory Sacrifice in us 38 That I say that the name of God as in Christ and in and by him declared and as precious Oyntment powred out is litteral teaching 39 That I destroy the distinct consideration of the Fathers work in laying our Iniquitles on his Son and renders it as the work of my fancied Christ in the Creature 40 That I take away from you the personall sufferings of Christ in his own body and put in the room my imaginary or fancied Christ 41 That I wholly pervert every thing of Gods name that I meddle with and turns it contrary to its scope and end 42 That I render the great things of the Law to be carnall letter 43 That I reproach thee for not believing Christ bearing sin in thee as the propitiatory Sacrifice 44 That my sence is that Gods righteousness wrought in the person of Christ was but at most as a pattern of what should be wrought over again in our particular persons c. 45 That I justifie Christ being offering himself daily to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself 46 That we imagine that the Death and Resurrection of our light in us is the foundation of our salvation 47 That I intend not the lifting up of Christ but exalting my self in his room 48 That my excellency lyeth in using craftinesse and hidden things of dishonesty 49 That indeed our spirits rejoyce in our likenesse to Sathan 50 That our inside tends directly to marre the visage of Christ 51 That I deny thy saying That the word is not a Principle of men 52 That I reject the Name of God as declared in Christ and brought to light through the Gospel as carnall and litterall Teaching 53 That I affirm that all that receives the word suffers and satisfies the whole will of God for all the world in them 54 That we render the light and spirit to be naturally in men as of them These 54 Lies have I taken out as I told thee in thy last book from three times so many these with the 48. in thy last book make up the number of one hundred and two I should not have troubled my self to reckon them up had not the Lyar gone about to seek to lay them on the truth and slander the Quakers for Lyers so let the Lyer be known by his fruits who must be revealed by the Spirit of Truth And when thou writest again either prove what thou hast said or stop thy mouth for calling Lyar for ever And one thing more I warn thee of that thou do'st not as thou did'st in thy last book who because I reckoned up but part of thy Lies goes about to make people believe I own all the rest For I tell thee again there is above three times as many more in both thy books as false as these which I am not guilty of though I reckon them not here Neither say thou I have wronged thee in setting down these in that I have not set down all thy words for it is plain to every Reader that I have set down the substance of thy slander as it sounds in the ears of the Reader though in the most of them thou hast before-hand made thy way of escape knowing them to be what thou canst not prove Yea this shall any see in thee who are in the light and do but observe thee that in this art thou exceeds I must confess of all that ever I had to do withall thou art the Master of this Craft of Lying for not the clearest truth that ever I can speak but if it be in thy way thou wilt take into pieces and mangle it with thy own and turn it all into Lies which is the Master-piece in thy Bookes as I have shewed in particulars And as boldly and impudently wilt thou let them fly having but made a way to creep out and deny them if thou be charged therewith and if not then thou holds it out for truth that all is owned that is not denied in particular which should I have done in these thy two Books for one sheet of Paper five would not contain an Answer But they being most of them so gross and the Truth it self arising against them a living Testimony in most parts of the Nations It will clear it self better then Paper and Ink to the confusion of Antichrist the Lyar and his Father FINIS

A SECOND ANSWER TO Thomas Moore To that which he calls his Defence against the poyson c. Wherein is shewed the crooked wayes the Serpent is forced to take to keep God and his Creatures at a distance and yet would do it under the name of a Teacher But is seen to be the same that perswaded man out from his guide in spirit and now would keep him so lest his unclean wayes in the heart of man should be discovered with the spiritual Light of Christ and so man should turn to the Lord who is that spirit and the vail be done away which is come over the heart by looking out so man should come to see his Maker to be his leader in spirit Here is also 54. lies gathered out from amongst a multitude more with T. M. hath heaped up for his Defence against the truth which he calles the poyson of Satan which are sent him back to the 48. that I sent him before that he may either prove them or they ●oot with the founder for the truth they touch not Set forth to clear the truth from this froth cast upon it by the enemy thereof By a friend to the seed of truth called James Naylor Blessed are you when men shall persecute you and say all manner of evill on you falsely for my names sake for so have they done to the Prophets and Apostles before you LONDON Printed for Giles calvert at the Black-spread-Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1655. Reader Thou art desired to take notice of these faults in the Printing and correct them with thy Pen. PAge 2. 1. 17. sor filthy read frothy P. 9. 1. 3a for Antepage r. Antidote page P. 10. l. 18. for for r. so P. 11. for you know r. I know P. 12. 1. 2 3. for God was not God is manifest c. r. God was not God is manifest c. P. 16. 1. 26. for rendring to us to all r. rendring us to all P. 17. 1. 2. for would have to have us liberty r. would have us to have liberty P. 18. 1. 6. for John Frey r. John Wrey P. 19. 1. 3. for slain in him r. slain in Christ P. 21. 1. 5. for since r. sence P. 22. 1. 19. for angred r. any read P. 24. 1. 6. for I answer r. I answered P. 27. 1. 8. for seal r. deal P. 29. 1. 10. for being uged r. being judged P. 30. 1. 27. for nad r. and. P. 32. 1. 7. for trade r. tread A Second Answer to Thomas Moore THomas Moore when wilt thou love the truth and cease thy deceit and minde the light of Christ to lead thee out of thy crooked paths that the mouth of the Serpent may be stopt that belcheth out thy own shame in thy lies and confusions as thou hast done not onely when I was with thee before many witnesses but also in the ethy two Books wherein thy lies are too many to number In thy first Book I sent thee back 48. lies out of three times as many more that thou might prove them But instead thereof thou adds heaps upon heaps and so it must be that he may be revealed who abides not in the truth and so is a lyer from the beginning and so thou art found As thou didst make up the substance of thy first Book with lies so thou begins this And in the front of thy lye thou makes a cover for it least it should be seen In thy first Book thou sayes thou shalt refuse further to meddle or have to do with me unlesse thou perceive in me some turn to the Lord And in thy second Book thou renders me as the mouth of the Devill to cast out his poyson Is this the turn to the Lord thou perceives in me Orthou would have me believe that in this Book thou hast thus filled with deceit to cast upon me thou dost not meddle with me therein This by the way all may see thou art no bungler in that Art for in the most part of thy lies thou makes sure so to present them as to leave open a way or two to escape if thou be taxt therewith and if not then let it passe for truth and this all shall see in thy Books who doth but read them with the light of truth which deceipts I shall not much trouble my selfe to trace thee in onely in some few where the Serpent would devoure the simple by the way and shut up the Kingdom against such as desire to chuse the plain way I shall discover thy spirit of what nature it is that they that will may beware 1. There is three things thou would have the Reader to believe from thee if any be so void of truth First that I have belied thee and the truth attested by thee To which I say 48. of those thou calles thy truths I sent thee back again into thy bottle besides many more of the same nature I layed open I knowing these to be notorious lies attested by thee for truths I could do no lesse then testifie again them Any other belying of thee thou art not able to prove 2. How empty filthy and corrupt my Answers is and how plainly the Scriptures are wrested by me To which I say to the first part the boaster speaks the frothy words To the second I say if quoting Scriptures without adding or diminishing be no wresting then thou hast but herein added a lie more to the number 3. How the Woolf appears in the Sheeps Skins in the beginning and close of my Book To which I say My Book begins with discovering thy lying Antichristian Doctrine least by it the simple souls should be deceived and what I say I make it appear to be truth and my Book ends with twelve points of truth laid down needful to be cleared to all from the Devills mists cast upon them and this is no part of the Wolfs work But what Beast was that which was up amongst thee and thy Companions who when I spoke the truth amongst you your Weapon was heared up to knock me down in the yard when you was on Horseback and left the dispute the latter day which in this Book thou wouldst cover with a subtle lie If I had intended such a thing to any Creature I could not have been excused in the sight of God from a Wolf or a Dogg for I am sure it was no part of a man much lesse of a Saint to knock one in the head who did not resist neither had any thing in his hand wherewith to resist For the first of these and the deceiptful crooked wayes thou takes to excuse thy lies and blasphemies who doth but read thy Books and my Answer to thy first needs not any further to see thee withall if they minde but any light in them yet for love to the simple ones I shall lay thee open in some of them that they may the better finde thee out in the rest In thy first thou begins with Thou sayes

thy book which I plainly laid down to see if thou would'st plainly oppose them as thou hadst secretly sought to undermine them that so the Serpent might be brought out of his holes and discovered in the sight of the simple which now thou casts thy venom at them calling it a Wolf but dar'st not deny one of them And because they may stand as Witnesses against thy deceit in this book as they did in the other and seeing this may come to the hands of some which the other does not I am free to send them to thee again and to all the world and do not call them Woolfs till thou hast so proved them neither seek to cast thy dirt upon them by shuffling them out of their place and seek to make people believe I mean another thing then I speak so turning the truth into a lye before thou dare encounter with it that being thy old way by which thou hast raised these lying slanders in thy book not having a ground for raising a slander from any thing that I have spoken in it till thou hast taken it one piece from another and thrust in thy own Forgeries and Meanings to make some shew unto people to cover thy nakedness without which as it appears thou durst not meddle to oppose these Truths though they be much in thy way which are as followeth 1 That the light of Christ is the first principle that shews a man his condition and leads to Christ the Saviour and without it the Gospel is hid from every Creature living and without it none can read with profit 2 That though Christ Jesus in himself hath suffered and satisfied the whole will of God for all the world yet none but who by faith in this comes to receive a measure of the same Christ in the same spirit and power and life in them can have redemption by him from sin and death 3 That the Word of God is spiritual and who hath it hath it in their heart and that none who hath it not in their hearts hath eternal life though they may have the letter as the Devil hath to pervert to wrong ends to plead for sin and tempt the sons of God 4 That none can understand the Scriptures nor know the voice of Christ in them but who have that spirit and light in them that gave them forth to open their understanding to know the mystery and life of them 5 That no man knows his own heart but who first owns the light of Christ to search it and the same light that searches the heart gives light to know God and his glory 6 That the least measure of living faith that is not a fancy but stands in Christ Jesus is present power against all sinne and the greatest power of Satan if the Creature abide faithful in it and run to no other helps but mind obedience in it 7 That no man can be a Minister of Christ nor preach him truly but who preacheth perfection and that is the end of his Ministry which thou callest a Doctrine of Devils 8 That there is not one particular of the worship you perform in your high places but it is added or altered from what it was when Christ appointed it and established it 9 That God and his Word is now manifest in the bodies of his Saints in the same manner and as freely as formerly he hath been and that there he is a sufficient Teacher and shield against sinne without any other help to all according to the measure of their knowledge of him present 10 That no man can receive the things of Gods spirit but who minde somewhat of God in them to receive it withall 11 That the least measure of Gods spirit is an infallible guide and without it no man knows Christ nor can judge of any thing of God or his truth his Kingdom or the way to it or the Devil and his subtleties but lies open to be deceived in all things and to be led by men of corrupt minds in whom the Devil is 12 That the ground of all Errors Sects and Opinions Heresies and Blasphemies that are in the world is in being led from the guidance of this spirit and all live in error but who are guided by it but none ever errs who was guided by it alone nor ever shall These being the main things for which thou accuses us in thy book having wrested them contrary to our judgment and practice thereby to darken the way of truth more dear to me then life to the end that all may find it and rest to their souls I have laid them down as plain as I can as they are in Jesus in me revealed without any adding or diminishing as in the sight of God so when thou writes to oppose again let it be plain to the people whether thou owns or denies so the difference may be judged with the truly wise in heart and the ground of it nad do not cast a mist over the truth as in thy book and yet dare neither own nor deny but secretly bite and devour Here is also some of thy lies sent back to the Authour and when thou provest them I shall make my defence till then let them rot with the raiser of them which are as followeth 1 That I own my self to be one of those that sleight and reject the word of the Lord. 2 That the way of lying proud boasting and false accusing is the perfection of our Doctrine and Principles 3 That I own Some other spirit then that in and with the Scriptures as Gods Spirit 4 That we would present men perfect in themselves while there is nothing perfect that so they may not look to the perfection of Christ 5 That we promise others liberty freedom from sin glorious Conquest in themselves 6 That we count that sin that is looking to that Jesus which is the very Christ 7 That we never make it our work in our speakings or writings to preach lift up or commend that Jesus as he is in that one personall body c. 8 That we preach not Jesus and the Resurrection as the Apostles did 9 That we make up our whole Doctrine and matter without that which God hath laid in Zion for a foundation 10 That we magnifie not the Son of Man 11 That I assert nothing in my Book of that Jesus of Nazareth in that which he hath done c 12 That I array Christ as Herod did that I may marre his visage and mock at him 13 That in my Book I say I am Christ and that we leave nothing of the Declarations of hope that we so invert not 14 That if any do preach things according to Scripture we revile it as the Heathen reviled the Apostles for preaching Jesus and the Resurrection 15 That I am a denyer of Christ as Judas was 16 That we make not Jesus the sum and subject matter of our preaching 17 That we pervert all those Scriptures that speak of