Form for then it must be either because every Form is Idolatrous or that this Form is especially so or because it is prescribed and imposed The first of these is affirmed by the angry Author of The Antidote to Mr. Baxter's Cure pag. 11. who saith We do not think any thing to be Idolatry because it hath something in it to be amended but because it is used in the Worship of God without any Command from God to make it lawful and this we must tell our Dictator is a species of Idolatry and forbidden in the Second Commandment But this Author hath warily declined the main Argument which Mr. Baxter insisted upon three Pages before and falls upon the Rere and picked up an accidental Expression for you will find him pag. 190. of his Cure to reason after this manner Where did these Men learn to call their Brethrens Worship false any more than their own upon the account that God hath not commanded the manner of it when he hath neither commanded us to use a Form or to forbear it Now I believe it would be as hard for him to find a Command for the perpetual use of a Conceived Payer as he thinks it will be to find one for a Form and then they that pray without a Form are as much guilty of Idolatry as those that use it Nay if the Divine Authority hath left it free these are the Superstitious that would make that a Duty commanded and that a Sin forbidden which is not as Mr. Baxter there saith pag. 282. But if you would see more of this I shall refer you to the Confutation of the Brownists pag. 12 13. It is not Idolatrous as this Form is especially so This indeed some have ventured to say as supposing the Liturgie to be taken out of the mass-Mass-Book So saith the Author of the Anatomy of the service-Service-Book And therefore Mr. Robert Baily wrote a Book called A Parallel of the Liturgie with the mass-Mass-Book reprinted 1661. But it shall suffice to say to this what Mr. Ball in the Name of the Nonconformists replied in the Letters betwixt the Ministers of Old and New England pag. 14 15. The Liturgie was not taken out of the Mass-Book in such sense as you object but rather the Mass and other Idolatrous Prayers were added to it for Popery is a Scab or Leprosie cleaving to the Church It is no hard Task to shew that our Service-Book was reformed in most things according to the purest Liturgies which were in use in the Church long before the Mass was heard of in the World And if that could not be shewed yet forms of Speech generally taken we speak not of this or that special Word or Phrase is no more defiled by Idolatry than the light Air or Place where Idolatry is committed It is not unlawful to pray Lord help or Lord have mercy or to give Thanks Praised be God because the Papists say Lady help or Praised be God and the Virgin Mary Lastly It is not Idolatrous as it is a Form imposed So much indeed is said in the Christian and sober Testimony pag. 68. To pray by an imposed Form is Idolatry and therefore doth not spare to say pag. 70. That Latimer Ridley and Hooper and many other Martyrs were Idolaters and yet in the mean time grants That they were such eminent Witnesses of Christ that they shall come with him and sit upon Thrones But I cannot understand how Imposition can alter the Nature of Things and make that unlawful which was otherwise in it self lawful and I see it is as little understood by the better part among themselves So the Nonconformists Confutation of the Brownists pag. 15. If Forms thus devised by Men be found to be lawful and profitable what sin can it be for the Governors of the Church to command that such Forms be used or for us that are perswaded of the lawfulness of them to use them being imposed unless they will say That therefore it is unlawful to hear the Word receive the Sacraments c. because we are commanded by the Magistrates so to do Whereas indeed we ought the rather to do good things that are agreeable unto the Word when we know them also to be commanded by the Christian Magistrate So Mr. Baxter in his Cure pag. 186. If you command your Child to learn a Catechism or Form of Prayer will you teach him to say Father or Mother it had been lawful for me to use this Form if neither you nor any body had bid me but because you bid me it is unlawful O whither will not partiality lead men And it will be worth your while to see how Mr. Brinsley in his Church-Remedy argues against it where he concludes That amongst all the monstrous and mis-shapen Conceptions which these brooding Times have hatched and brought forth I do not know any more prodigious than this viz. That things indifferent in themselves are made unlawful by being commanded And then much less are they thereby made Idolatrous If our Liturgie then is good for the Matter and that the Matter is not altered by the Form then you may see where the Storm will fall and what they are to be thought of that are guilty of these Reproches and how much they distrust the goodness of their Cause that betake themselves to such Arts as these to support it 3. A Church may be separated from upon intolerable Persecution Where I should consider whether it be Persecution before I proceed to enquire whether it be intolerable But because I have no mind to aggravate the Case by shewing what hath been by them formerly thought Persecution and what not I shall omit that part of it and enter upon the other viz. the intolerableness of what is suffered as a Reason for which they suppose themselves compelled to quit Communion And it must arise to this degree or else it will not justifie a Separation Persecution alone will not warrant it unless it comes to be insufferable Now this must be either on the part of the Ministers or on the People Not on the Ministers for all the difference betwixt them and the People is that they are required to lay down the present Exercise of their Ministry till they are satisfied in the submission they must give to the Rules and Orders of the Church But this is no Persecution much less what is intolerable No Persecution for it is a Security required in all Churches of the World that those who are intrusted with that Office should observe the Order and Discipline that is amongst them So it was in the Church of Scotland whilst Presbyterian where it was resolved That whosoever hath born Office in the Ministry of the Kirk or that presently bears or shall hereafter bear Office herein shall be charged by every particular Presbytery where their Residence is to subscrive the Heads of Discipline of the Kirk betwixt this and the next Synodal Assemblies of the Provinces under the pain of
for Ecclesiastical Matters It is the joyning together in the Ordinances of God which makes a Church a True Church as Mr. Brinsley saith in his Arraignment of Schism pag. 31. And it 's the joyning together in them according to the Laws established amongst us that makes such a Church to be the Church of England I must profess Sir to you That I can hardly forbear to expose that Book of Sacrilegious Desertion that as much abounds with Ill-nature Self-conceit Confusion and Self-contradiction as any that I have met with of that kind but because the Author hath been in many things of good use to the Church of God I shall not treat him with that rigour such a Book deserves and shall therefore proceed to shew That this Church is a True Church He indeed pag. 43. of that Book when it had been objected against the present separation That their Members are taken out of True Churches replies How many Bishops have written that the Church of Rome is a True Church c. and must no Churches therefore be gathered out of them Her it should be thereby disingenuously insinuating That the Church of England is no otherwise a true Church than that of Rome and may as safely be separated from Now how the Church of Rome is said to be a true Church Mr. Brinsley will inform us pag. 26. of his Arraignment of Schism There is a twofold Trueness Natural the one Moral the other In the former sense a Cheater a Thief may be said to be a true Man and a Whore a true Woman and till she be divorced a true Wife yea and the Devil himself though the Father of Lies yet a true Spirit And in this sense we shall not need to grutch the Church of Rome the name of a true Church if not so why do we call her a Church A Church she is in regard of the outward Profession of Christianity but yet a false Church true in Existence but false in Belief c. not so a true Church but that she is also a false Church an Heretical Apostatical Antichristian Synagogue But whether the Author of Sacrilegious Desertion hath the same thoughts of the Church of England let pag. 76. shew where he saith As I constantly joyn in my Parish-Church in Liturgie and Sacraments so I hope to do while I live if I live under as honest a Minister at due times And he would by all means have their Assemblies accounted onely as Chappel-Meetings pag. 15. with respect to the Publick Now God forbid that all this should be and that in the mean time he should think that the Church of England is no more a true Church than the Church of Rome and not more to be held Communion with But the contrary is evident from him and so his abovesaid Insinuation the more blame-worthy But however let him think as he pleaseth it is very obvious that the constant Opinion of the old Nonconformists was That the Church of England was a true Church and what as such they thought that they were oblig'd to hold Communion with So Mr. Baxter in his Preface to the Cure of Church-Divisions saith of them The old Nonconformists who wrote so much against Separation were neither blind nor Temporizers They saw the danger on that side Even Brightman on the Revelation that writeth against the Prelacy and Ceremonies severely reprehendeth the Separatists Read but the Writings of Mr. J. Paget Mr. J. Ball Mr. Hildersham Mr. Bradshaw Mr. Bains Mr. Rathband and many such others against the Separatists of those Times and you may read that our Light is not greater but less than theirs c. So Mr. Crofton in his Reformation not Separation though several of them he evidently wrongs that were far from any disaffection to the Order and Discipline of the Church as Ridley c. pag. 43. Tindal Hooper Ridley Latimer Farrar Whitaker Cartwright Bains Sibbs Preston Rogers Geree J. Ball Langly Hind Nicols c. groaning under retained Corruptions c. yet lived to their last breath in constant Communion with the Church And this they did upon the supposition of this Truth Nay so far were they persuaded of this that they did prefer it to most Churches in the World So the Letters betwixt the Ministers of Old and New-England published by Mr. Ash and Mr. Rathband 1643. If we deny Communion with such a Church as ours there hath been no Church this thousand years with which a Christian might lawfully joyn When the Wars began there were those indeed that talked otherwise and then they would persuade the People that there was no difference betwixt that and Rome as Mr. Marshal in his Sermon upon the Vnion of the Two Houses Jan. 18. 1647. All Christendom except Malignants in England do now see that the Question in England is Whether Christ or Antichrist shall be Lord and King Then those that were suspended before the Long-Parliament time were the Witnesses that were slain and the Prelacy was an Antichristian Power and the taking away of that and the Ceremonies was the tenth part of the City falling as Mr. Woodcock did expound it in his Sermons of the two Witnesses 1643. pag. 83 86. Then they were the Amorites and there was the cup of abomination amongst them as you may find it in a Book called The Principal Acts of the General Assembly convened at Edinburgh May 29. 1644. pag. 19. But when the Tide began to turn and Presbytery was opposed and in great danger of being run down by Independency they changed their Tune and began to plead for the Truth of it and their Propriety in it Thus we find Ordination according to the Church of England maintained by the London-Ministers in their Vindication pag. 143. We do not deny but that the way of Ministers entring into the Ministry by the Bishops had many defects in it But we add That notwithstanding all the accidental corruptions yet it is not substantially and essentially corrupted By Dr. Seaman in his Answer to the Diatribe by Mr. Brinsley of Schism page 31. by Mr. Firmin in his Separation examined page 23. Then we are told That Preaching and Prayer were kept pure in the Episcopal days by Mr. Firmin ibid. pag. 29. And to shew you how reverendly they spoke of this Church I will onely quote it from one that must be thought to speak out of no affection and that is J. Goodwin in his Sion College visited pag. 26. Doubtless the real and true Ministers of the Province of London having such abundant opportunity of converse with Travellers from all Parts cannot but be full of the truth of this Information That there was more of the truth and power of Religion in England under the late Prelatical Government than in all the Reformed Churches besides But you will say All this may be granted and yet nothing said for the Case is altered the Church of England not being now what it was then This I acknowledge the Author of
may continue there without being guilty of the Sin of them How far the first of these is and ought to be acknowledged I have shewed above at pag. 62. And how far the latter you may see in Mr. Brinsley's Arraignment of Schism pag. 50. Though toleration of some unwarrantable mixtures in a Church be an evil yet it is not so great an evil as Separation upon that ground This was the Opinion of the Five dissenting Brethren in their Apologetical Narration pag. 6. We have always professed and that in those times when the Churches of England were the most either actually over-spread with defilements or in the greatest danger thereof That we both did and would hold a Communion with them as the Churches of Christ And this they agreed to upon this consideration that otherwise there hath been no Church yet nor will be to the day of Judgment which Persons otherwise perswaded could or can hold Communion with as you may find it in the old Nonconformists Letters to those of New-England pag. 12. Mr. Firmin's Separation examined pag. 25. and the Vindication of the Provincial Assembly pag. 135. 2. I add That the imposition of things unlawful or so thought to be in a Church makes a Person in this case no farther concerned than as they are imposed on him For if Corruptions tolerated are no bar to Communion then they are not when imposed meer Imposition not altering the Nature as Mr. Crofton saith in his Jerubbaal pag. 27. 3. Imposition in some things unlawful or supposed so to be will not justifie a separation from what is lawful The Author of Separation yet no Schism in his Epistle to the Reader thus pleads for the People The People are not always free from such Impositions which they extremely suspect as sinful as that they cannot enjoy Baptism for their Children without the Cross nor receive the Lords Supper without Kneeling to name no more as well he could not But suppose that these things are imposed and what they extremely suspect can this be a Reason for their separation in those things where nothing of this nature is Certainly in obedience to Magistrates and for Communion with a Church we ought to go as far as we can and what I cannot do is no excuse for the omission of what I can Thus did the old Nonconformists think and practice as I observed to you before from the Vindication of the Provincial Assembly pag. 135. That though some of them thought it unlawful to receive the Sacrament kneeling yet they held Communion with the Church in the rest And accordingly Mr. Firmin argues in his Separation examined pag. 29. Suppose there should be some Humane mixtures are all the Ordinances polluted Why do you not communicate with them in those Ordinances which are pure Now if this be true what shall we say to them that have nothing to object against the greatest part of what they are required to communicate with us in and yet keep up a total and positive Separation from us as if all Parts were alike infected and that from the Crown of the Head to the Sole of the Foot there was nothing but Wounds and putrifying Sores 4. The meer suspicion that a Person may have of the unlawfulness of what is imposed will not justifie his omission of or separation in that particular For he ought to come to some resolution in it and in case of Obedience Communion and Charity to go against such his Suspicion To this purpose speaks Mr. Geree in his Resolution of Ten Cases 1644. Things wherein doubts arise are of a double nature 1. Meerly arbitrary and at my own dispose 2. That are under command as coming to the Sacrament Obedience to the Higher Powers in things lawful If Scruples arise about these and a Man doubts he sins if he acts and he also doubts he sins if he forbears c. In this case he must weigh the Scales and where he apprehends most weight of Reason must incline that way though the other Scale be not altogether empty And this done after humble and diligent search with bewailing our infirmity that we are no more discerning will be accepted by God God puts not his People on necessity of sinning nor can our Scruples dispense with his Commands So Mr. Faldo in his Quakerism no Christianity pag. 93. In doubtful and difficult Cases wherein we cannot reach the knowledge of our Duty it 's our Duty to follow the Examples of the greatest number of the Saints c. And then surely what will serve in such a case to let us dispense with our Doubts will much more in Obedience to Governours and for Communion with a Church This I thought to have more largely handled as it 's thought a new and late Argument used by Bishop Sanderson c. but what I can prove to be of old the common Resolution of the Case and as the contrary is pleaded for from Mr. Hales But lighting happily upon a Book called Mr. Hales's Treatise of Schism examined wrote by a Learned Person I shall refer you to it where he particularly undertakes this Point pag. 110 c. Having thus made good the Three Propositions abovesaid and shewed That the Church of England is a True Church That there is a Separation from it and That this Separation is voluntary and unnecessary that which remains is not to be denied viz. That therefore the present Separation is Schismatical So that now you may see in what condition those of our dissenting Brethren are that withdraw from the Communion of our Church and how little able they will be to reconcile their present Proceedings to their former Principles and Professions It was once said by them in the Vindication of the Presbyterial Government pag. 133. We dare not make separation from a true Church by departing from it as you do speaking to the Independents Then Independency was what they proved to be Schism because 1. Independents do depart from our Churches being true Churches and so acknowledged by themselves 2. They draw and seduce Members from our Congregations 3. They erect separate Congregations 4. They refuse Communion with our Churches in the Sacraments Now we judge that no Schism is to be tolerated in the Church as say the London-Ministers in their Letter to the Assembly pag. 3. Then the inevitable Consequences of it could be discovered and represented as that by it Peoples minds would be troubled and in danger to be subverted bitter heart-burning would be fomented and perpetuated godly painful and orthodox Ministers be discouraged and despised the life and power of Godliness be eaten out by frivolous Disputes and the whole Course of Religion in private Families be interrupted and undermined as they there say pag. 4. Then Church-Division was as great a Sin as Adultery and Theft as Dr. Bryan maintains in the Publick Disputation at Kilingworth 1655. pag. 28. Then it was pleaded That they Covenanted not onely against Sin but Schism as saith Mr. Watson in
and his Followers first stumbled pag. 37 38 39. Mr. Jenkin 2. Let them consider whether the want of reforming abuses proceed not from some unhappy obstructions in the exercise of Discipline rather than from the allowance of the Church Mr. Brinsley What though there are some failings in the execution through some unhappy obstructions in the exercise of Discipline yet cannot the Church stand charged with them pag. 40. Mr. Jenkin 3. Let them consider whether when they separate from Sinful mixtures the Church be not at that very time purging out those Sinful mixtures pag. 33. Mr. Brinsley Consider the manner in separating at such a time in a time of Reformation What separate from a reforming Church pag. 51 52. Mr. Jenkin Hath not God his Churâ—h even wâ—â—re corruption of Manners hath crâ—pt into a Church iâ— purity of Doctrine be maintained And is sepâ—ration from that Church lawful from which God doth not separate pag. 34. Mr. Brinsley Suppose there may be some nay many just Scandals amongst us by reason of corruption of manners yet is not this a sufficient ground of separation from a Church wherein there is purity of Doctrine pag. 50. Mr. Brinsley How dare any forsake that Church which God hath not forsaken p. 59. Mr. Jenkin Let them consider whether God hath made private Christians Stewards in his House to determine whether those with whom they communicate are fit Members of the Church or not or rather whether it be not their duty when they discover Tares in the Church in stead of separating from it to labour that they may be found good Corn that so when God shall come to gather his Corn in to his Garner they may not be thrown out Church-Officers are Ministerially betrusted with the ordering of the Church and for the opening and shutting of the Doors of the Churches Communion by the Keys of Doctrine and Discipline and herein if they shall be either hindred or negligent private Christians shall not be intangled in the guilt of their Sin p. 34 35. Mr. Brinsley God hath not made all private Christians Stewards nor yet Surveyors in his House so as that every one should take an exact notice of the conditions of all those whom they hold Communion with who are fit to be members of the Church and who not It is Cyprian's counsel What though there be some Tares discovered in the Church yet let us for our parts labour that we may be found good Corn that so when God shall come to gather his Crop into his Garner we may not be cast out Ministerially the Church-Officers whom Christ hath betrusted with the ordering of the Church them he hath made the Porters in his House for the opening and shutting the doors of the Churches Communion by the keys of Doctrine and Discipline Now in this case if either their hands be tied by any humane restrictions or if through negligence they let loose the Rains how private Christians should be entangled in the guilt of that sin it cannot be conceived pag. 414. Mr. Jenkin The Command not to eat with a Brother c. 1 Cor. 5. 11. concerns not Religious but Civil Communion by a voluntary familiar intimate Conversation either in being invited or inviting pag. 35. Mr. Brinsley That which Paul prohibits there is not properly a Religious but a Civil Communion not to mingle themselves with such scandalous Livers by a voluntary familiar and intimate Conversation in an ordinary way repairing to their Tables or inviting them to yours Mr. Jenkin Now though such Civil eating was to be forborn yet it follows not at all much less much more that Religious eating is forbidden Because Civil eating is arbitrary and unnecessary not so Religious which is enjoyned and a commanded Duty pag. 36. Mr. Brinsley If we may not have Civil much less Religious Communion Ans Not so neither inasmuch as the one is arbitrary and voluntary the other a necessary Communion pag. 45. Mr. Jenkin It should be our care to prevent Separation To this end 1. Labour to be progressive in the work of Mortification pag. 38. Mr. Brinsley How shall this Vnity be attained 1. To this end labour after new hearts Mr. Jenkin 2. Admire no Mans Person This caused the Corinthian Schism Take heed of Man-worship Mr. Brinsley How may Schism be prevented 6. Take heed of having the Persons of Men in admiration This occasioned all those Divisions in the Church of Corinth Take we heed how we look too much at Men. p. 59. Mr. Jenkin 3. Labour for Experimental benefit by the Ordinances Find the setting up of Christ in your hearts by the Ministry and then you will not dare to account it Antichristian If with Jacob we could say of our Bethels God is here we would set up Pillars Mr. Brinsley 4. Labour to see and acknowledge God in our Congregations Now if he be here how dare any withdraw When Jacob apprehended God present with him at Bethel Surely the Lord is in this place he sets up his Pillar there Have we met with him why do we not set up our Pillar here pag. 58. Mr. Jenkin 4. Neither give nor receive Scandals Give them not to occasion others to separate nor receive them to occasion thy own Separation Construe doubtful matters charitably Look not upon Blemishes with Multiplying-glasses or old Mens Spectacles Hide them though not imitate them Sport not your selves with others nakedness Mr. Brinsley 3. Take heed of Scandals whether of giving or receiving Of giving to drive off others of receiving to set off our selves Doubtful matters still construe them on the better part So doth Charity not looking upon Blemishes with Multiplying or Magnifying-glasses So far as may be without sin hide them Cursed Cham espies the nakedness of his Father and makes sport with it pag. 56. Mr. Jenkin 5. Be not much taken with Novelties New-Lights have set this Church on fire For the most part they are taken out of the Dark-Lanthorns of old Hereticks They are false and Fools-fires to lead Men into the Precipice of Separation Love Truth in an old dress let not Antiquity be a prejudice against nor Novelty an inducement to the entertainment of Truth Mr. Brinsley 2. Be not over-affected with Novelties As for those New-Lights which have set this Kingdom on fire at this day for the most part they are no other than what have been taken out of the Dark-Lanthorns of former Hereticks no other but ignes fatui false fires useful onely to mislead Tr th is lovely and ought to be embraced in whatever dress she cometh whether new or old As not Antiquity so neither should Novelty be any prejudice to Verity Mr. Jenkin 6. Give not way to lesser differences A little division will soon rise up to a greater Small Wedges make way for bigger Our hearts are like to Tinder a little spark will enflame them Be jealous of your hearts Paul and Barnabas separated about a small matter the taking of an Associate pag. 40 c. Mr. Brinsley 1. Take heed of lesser divisions Small Wedges make way for great ones Small differences sometimes rise to Divisions pag. 57. Mr. Brinsley 4. Bâ— jealous over our own heâ—rts they being like unto Tinder ready to take fire by the least spark It was no great matter that Paul and Barnabas differed vpon onely about the taking of an Associate pag. 71 c. Now Sir by this you may perceive how some Men do make their Books and Sermons and by what ways a Man may rise to the reputation of being a considerable Author he may cull and pick pilfer and steal and become Learned to a miracle an excellent Preacher and write even to a Folio and if he had but the Art of keeping men from poring into neglected Authors and prying into Books that are cast into corners might pass as such But as long as what is forgotten in one Age is revived in another and as long as it is become a Trade to collect Pamphlets I would advise your Friend to be more wary for the future and keep from writing a Folio and a Comment again And now Sir it is high time for me to conclude to whom it is no pleasure to deal in such a way and to converse with those kind of Books that you see my Design hath put me upon It is Charity to you and the World that hath led me along and I hope I have so managed it as shall be to the offence of none but those that are Enemies to Truth I am sure I have so much avoided all that might exasperate that I have for that reason cast aside Leaves of what some others might be tempted to have taken in If Mr. Jenkin hath been hardly dealt with he must thank himself who 〈◊〉 without provocation defamed others could not be suffered to run away with that out-cry which he hath made without a just Rebuke I am SIR Your Servant S. 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