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A28899	A defence of the Scriptures, and the Holy Spirit speaking in them, as the chiefe iudge of controversies of faith ... with a vindication of that honour due to magistrates, ministers, and others ... in a relation of a disputation at Chesterfield in the county of Darby, between some ministers of the Gospell and James Naylor, an erring Quaker ... : with some animadversions upon a lying relation of that disputation, published by Iames Nayler / by Immanuel Bourne ...	Bourne, Immanuel, 1590-1672.	1656 (1656)	Wing B3852; ESTC R23281	45,977	64

Nayler answered that he himselfe was as holy just and good as God himselfe And this Mr Baldw●nson did offer to depose to Colonell Briggs who is a man fearing God and of eminent trust in the Common-wealth and what is this but presumptuous blasphemy both in Fox and Nayler so proudly to boast of their owne perfection and that not by the imputed righteousness of Christ for that they deny but by their own inherent holiness which they pretend to be Christ within them and yet so basely to manifest themselves notorious lyars The briefe volation of the irreligion of the Northern Quak●rs wherein their h … d principles and practises doctrines and manners are discovered read page 24 25. As in that Pamphlet called Saul's Errand to Damascus in which there are a hundred untruths as may be proved by a hundred witnesses testified in that booke called A Briefe Relation of the irreligion of the Northern Quakers page 24. Many of them saith that Author will be as ready to say and unsay any thing as if lying were a vertue and they make no conscience saith he of raising false reports against those especially who doe any way oppose them and he goeth on further Thus wholly by lies lying doctrines lying wonders lying reports they endeavour to build up the Kingdome of the Father of lyes amongst us Thus farre and further that reverend Author I might add many more of their errours lies and abominable blasphemies But these are sufficient to witnesse the Spirit in James Nayler and divers of his fellow Quakers to be a Spirit of Errour and Blasphemy and therefore not fit to be chiefe Judges of Controversies of Faith Other their Errours and Blasphemies are so abominable that I hold them fitter to be buried in silence then to rake them up out of the Devils dung-hill to be an odious noisom stinke and offence to the people of God Now for Naylers answer and his crosse interrogatories upon this and other Questions I have answered them fully in every particular which with my Reply to his Quaeries and discoveries of many of his abominable lies increased in my written hand prepared for the Presse to above threescore sheets of paper which I have ready by me the which I was resolved by Gods grace to have printed in Defence of Christ the Gospell and the faithfull Gospel-Ministers of Christ in England and their maintenance But comming to London I finde these things so sufficiently answered and truth so sully satisfied against the Quakers and their errours by so many godly and learned Divines that I conceive to add more is but to cast water into the sea and therefore I have thought good to print only these few sheets and to let the rest of my labours rest unprinted untill God shall give me a further call unto that worke I now therefore proceed to the third Question Disputed 3 Question Disputed Whether every man be bound to looke to the light within him as sufficient for his ditection to attaine salvation This we denyed The state of the Question The sence of the Question is Whether every man and woman in the world have a sufficient light within them for their direction to attaine eternall life so as he or shee needeth not to looke to the outward light of the written word of God or to the light of the Gospell revealed in the holy Scriptures or to any outward teaching by man whatsoever although it be agreeable to the Scripture of truth This in effect was the opinion of Nayler as it is of divers of his fellow Quakers witness Nayler himselfe in his answer in writing sent to us the day after the Dispute and since printed The light of Christ saith hee which hath enlightned every man that commeth into the world is ourlight and to that is every one bound to look for direction to attaine Salvation and that he affirmeth as sufficient or to that effect And the same did Nayler affirm before in his discourse with Mr Will. Cole at Kendall See the Perfect Pharisee the subscription to the Epistle and pages 17.18 Richard Tarnworth p. 51. c To whom he said that every man in the world had a light within him sufficient to guide them to salvation and this he extended to the Indians that never heard the Gospell witnesse that booke called the Perfect Pharisee written by those five Reverend Ministers nere New Castle named before And thus James Nayler and divers others of his fellow Quakers in other Pamphlets which for brevity sake I omit Mr Bournes Argument But I did prove the contrary by this Argument No man whosoever is darknesse is bound to looke to the light within him as sufficient to direct him to attaine Salvation but every naturall man is darknesse therefore no naturall man is bound to looke to the light within him as sufficient for his direction to attaine salvation and so not every man that commeth into the world The first proposition is evident because it is in vaine to look for light in darknesse And the second proposition is witnessed by the Apostle Paul Eph. 5.8 Ye were once darknesse saith he to the Ephesians but now ye are light in the Lord. In the state of nature corrupted by Adams Fall they were darknesse having their understandings darkened through the ignorance that was in them because of the blindnesse of their minds And what light then had these within them sufficient to direct them to Salvation or what sufficient light hath any naturall man in the world and therefore all are not bound to looke to the light within them as sufficient for their direction to attaine Salvation Naylers Answer All Naylers answer was it is false it is false lyar lyar all are enlightned and have a light within them sufficient to direct them to Salvation or to that effect Mr Billingsley's Argument And after some wranglings by Nayler Mr Billingsley called to Nayler to heare an Argument and gave this or to this effect None of those to whom Paul was sent to turn them from darknesse to light and from the power of Satan to God had a light within them to which they were bound to looke as sufficient to direct them to attaine Salvation But there were some Gentiles to whom Paul was sent to turn them from darknesse to light and from the power of Satan to God therefore some Gentiles had not a light within them to which they could looke as sufficient to direct them to attaine Salvation and so not every man in the world The first proposition is manifest because if those Gentiles had a light within them sufficient to direct them to attaine Salvation then what needed the Lord to have sent blessed Paul through so many dangers to turne them from darknesse to light and from the power of Satan to God And for the second the Evangelist Luke doth witnesse it Acts 26.17 18. Acts 26. Delivering thee from the Gentiles to whom I send thee to turne them from

evidence the second proposition Mr Bourne did shew a book the Title of it was concerning a threefold Antichrist or to that effect The same in effect by Richard Tarnworth in his discovery of Faith or rather of infidelity page 13. This was set out by some Quaker and in page the 13. in the very leafe in which beginneth a Letter of James Naylers to severall friends about Wakefield when Nayler was prisoner at Appleby There is Printed this false accusation of the Ministers in England as of Errour because they say the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John are the Gospell or containe the glad tidings of salvation through Jesus Christ therefore the Quakers are not fit to be the chiefe Judges of Controversies of Faith Naylers Answer Nayler answered hee did owne that Letter writ to his friends about Wakefield and said the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John were not the Gospell but Christ was the Gospell Mr Bourns Reply Mr Bourne went on to prove that the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John were the Gospell by this Argument Whatsoever book the Spirit of God by the mouth of the Evangelist Marke calleth the Gospell that is the Gospel but the Spirit of God by the mouth of the Evangelist Marke calleth the book of Marke the Gospell therefore that book of Marke is the Gospell The first proposition is unquestionable The second is witnessed Marke 1.1 Marke 1.1 The beginning of the Gospell of Jesus Christ the Sonne of God as it is written in the Prophets Observe first That the Evangelist affirmeth that the Gospel was written in the Prophets Secondly that he calleth the beginning of that book the beginning of the Gospell not that the Gospell was not before for the Gospell was preached to Adam and Eve in Paradise after the Fall Gen. 3.15 But the seed of the woman shall break the serpents head but that it was the beginning of that book of the Gospell of that history of Christ and declaration of salvation by Christ Jesus For what is the Gospell but good newes or good tidings of a Saviour as that Angell speaketh Luke 2.10 And good tidings of Christ is not Christ himselfe and so the Gospell is not Christ himselfe but good newes of salvation by Christ This is the book of Marke the Gospell and thus are the books of Matthew Luke and John the Gospell and the Quaker denying this and accusing the Ministers of Christ as of Errour for affirming it this assertion is plainely proved that the Spirit in the Quaker is a Spirit of Errour lying and false accusation and so not fit to be the Judge of Controversies of Faith Naylers Reply Nayler had nothing to answer but lyar lyar hold thy tongue and sit downe for Christ is the Gospell the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John are not the Gospell Mr Bournes Argument Mr Bourne began to presse another Argument out of a booke of one Nicolas Cowlings Nicol. Cowling his word to 52 London Ministers p. 15 c. A word to the 52 London Ministers pages 15 16. whereing he blasphemously compareth Christ that dyed at Jerusalem to a woodden leg Let me be bold saith he to impart unto you my former experience in the mystery of Christ I thought a long while a faith in Christ that died at Jerusalem was the top gallant of a Christian but since it doth appeare I Answer There was a twofold Faith in the person of Christ 1. Erring of an outward Redemption from Roman tyranny of which Luke 24 21. Acts 1.16 2. True Faith of an eternall Redemption from sinne c. and purchase of liternall happinesse for his people in Heaven of which Mat. 1.21 Iohn 1.29 6 47 14 1 2 3. The Erring faith died with Christ but the true faith in Christs person did not dye as the Blasphemer imagineth c. that faith the Disciples had in the person of Christ died with him c. therefore it is Christ in the mystery that will save A woodden legge saith he that is tyed on may do some service but it is the legge naturall that is usefull for all occasions Thus doth this blasphemer make Christ our Saviour that died for us at Jerusalem but as a woodden legge But it is not that Christ that died at Jerusalem mighty to save not only by the work of sanctification in us by his Spirit through Faith to purifie our hearts but by the worke of justification by his blood and merits of his death and passion by which he hath made our peace even by the blood of his crosse and righteousnesse imputed to us for our justification before God as by our holinesse and good workes we are declared to be justified before men For God made him to be sinne for us who knew no sinne that we might be made the righteousnesse of God in him But this Spirit in this deceived Quaker or Erring Sectary who glories in his perfection and disgracefully calleth Christ that died at Jerusalem a woodden legge it is an Erring spirit and therefore not fit to be judge of Controversies of Faith Naylers Answer James Nayler would give no Answer to this but said he would not answer for any but himselfe Yet certainly James Nayler needed not then to have disowned that or denied to answer for it is nothing but what he himselfe did owne before Read the Perfect Pharisee p. 8. position 5. as appeares by that expression of his in a Letter sent by him to one in Lancashire That he that expected to be saved by him that died at Jerusalem should be deceived This witnessed by those reverend Divines who writ that book called the Perfect Pharisee And it seemeth it is their common opinion as may appeare by that speech of another Quaker neer Bristoll who said he was not such a foole as to hope to be saved by Jesus Christ that died at Jerusalem sixteen hundred yeares agoe Mr Farmer in his mystery of godlinesse and ungodlinesse witnessed by Reverend Mr Farmer a Reverend Minister in Bristol This spirit in the Quaker cannot be the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith Mr Billingsleys Argument Then Mr John Billingsley to prove that the Spirit in the Quakers and in James Nayler in particular was a lying scandalizing Spirit and so not fit to be Judge of Controversies of Faith brought an Argument to this purpose That Spirit whatsoever that did or doth affirm that Bul-baiting swearing cursing and such like are the fruits of John Billingsley's Ministrie that is a lying scandalizing Spirit but the Spirit that is in thee James Nayler or thou thy selfe James Nayler diddest affirme that Bul-baiting swearing cursing and such like is or are the fruits of John Billingsley's Ministery therefore thy Spirit is a lying scandalizing Spirit and so not fit to be Judge of Controversies of Faith For the first proposition I John Billingsley doe appeale to all the Congregations which have heard me preach in Chesterfield or else where

unto death of which St John witnesseth There is a sinne unto death I say not that thou shouldest pray for it 1 John 5.16 Now for thy twenty Quaeries Nayler which thou sentest and addest towards the end I have in part answered them already in what I have writ and part of them are such Questions against which St Paul speaketh as tending not to edification of those who are weak in the faith Rom. 14.1 2. but rather to their distraction if not destruction therefore more fit to be silenced and buried in darknesse then to be revived or brought to light Secondly some are hypocriticall like that of Herod to the wise men Mat. 2.7 8. Thirdly some are curious Questions to satisfie curious busie minds such as thou art which being answered will not profit to godlinesse or edification contrary to the rule 1 Cor. 14.26 Fourthly some of them are tempting captious Questions like those of the Pharisees thy Fathers to Christ our Saviour which he either answereth by Questions to his adversaries againe or else wisely rejects or avoids to escape their treacherous designes against him as Mat. 21.23 24 c. Mat. 22.16 17 18 c. Fifthly some are foolish and unlearned Questions which gender strifes not love or any benefit to soules and which the Apostle directs Timothy to avoid 2 Tim. 2.23 and giveth the same command to Titus because saith he they are unprofitable and vaine Tit. 3.9 And I had rather follow St Pauls counsell then satisfie thy folly It is the counsell of the wise man in some such cases to be silent Prov. 26.4 Yet if thou wilt have an answer to thy twenty Quaeries and to thy challenge and brags lest thou be wise in thy own conceit or any of thy generation Prov. 26.5 know that all or most of them or those that are fit to be replyed unto they are sufficiently answered by divers religious learned men Ministers of the Gospell and others If any desire to see First let them read learned Mr Baxter's answer to the sixteen Quaeries The Worcester petition d●fended printed 1653. upon the Wostershire Petition to which is added seventeen Counter-Quaeries not yet answered by thee and thy fellowes that I have seen 2. Read Mr Baxters Quakers Catechism The Quakers confuted printed 1654. and the Quakers Questions answered there printed 1655. 3. Read godly Mr Eaton in his book called the Quakers confuted being an answer to nineteen quaeries of thy companions in which your weaknesse and erroneous wickednesse is discovered and the truth vindicated 4. Read that book called the Perfect Pharisee The Perfect Pharisee printed 1654. in which by way of position and proofe your wandring quaeries are learnedly and religiously answered by those five godly Ministers nere New Castle 5. Mr Fowler c printed 1655. Read solid and accute Mr Fowler 's book called Satan at Noon Day of the severall sorts of Quakers and Familists And there you may see the matter of these familisticall quaeries answered and errors confuted to their sorrow if they had grace to be sensible 6. The mystery of ungodlinesse printed 1653. Read judicious and zealous Mr Farmer of Bristol in his book entituled the Mystery of Godlinesse and ungodlinesse in which the Questionist ungodlinesse is there discovered to their shame 7. Reverend and succinct Mr Sherlock's answer to twenty seven of the Quakers wild Questions Mr Sherlock printed 1654. and his learned discourse of the Spirit annexed which might stay these erring wandring spirits from their false pretences to the spirit of Christ 8 Read that profitable book A brief relation printed 1653. of that observant Author called A Briefe Relation of the Irreligion of the Northern Quakers wherein their horrid principles and practises doctrines and manners are exposed to the view of every intelligent Reader and the Quakers Sauls errand to Damascus in which are said to be an hundred lies replied unto 9. Antichrist in man printed 1655. Witness that booke entituled Antichrist in man the Quakers Idoll by Mr Joshua Milner a servant of Christ in the Gospell in which is an answer and confutation of some of the Quakers dangerous and damnable doctrines 10. Mr Prins Quakers unmasked printed 1656. witnesse godly and learned Mr William Prinne Esquire detecting these Quakers to bee but the spawne of the Romish Frogs Jesuites and Franciscan Fryars sent from Rome to seduce poore soules in this English Nation with his reply to John Audlands rayling paper by which and what I have proved in my Answer and Arguments upon the Questions before which were Disputed any Christians seeing eye may see that James Nayler and his wandring fellow Quakers are but poor pedlers for the Priests of Rome and the Jesuits servants carrying up and downe the Nation their packs of errours and bags of paper-quaeries invented and hatched in Antichrists and the devils warehouse which they offer at every door or place where they come like braided baused rotten wares to deceive and couzen poor soules and to disturbe the peace and quiet of the Nation that this common enemy may more easily wheele us about to Rome and Romish Tyranny and so bring us to confusion from the highest to the lowest from which God of his mercy protect us And for Ministers maintenance Gen. 14.20 Gen. 28.22 Lev. 27.30 31. Numb 18.21 Deut. 10.8 9. Mal 3 8 9. Mat. 23 23. 1 Cor. 9 13.14 1 Tim. 5.17 Heb. 7.8 Printed for Mr Iohn Wright in the Old Bayly 1646. Mr Deacons discovery printed 1656. read Dr Carleton Dr Tillesley Dr Slater Sir Henry Spelman Sir James Sempel Mr William Prin Esquire my owne sixt book I have printed called a light from Christ leading unto Christ and divers others who have sufficiently proved Tythes not only lawfull but due by divine Right to Christ and the Ministers of Christ in the Gospell and that the taking them away without due redemption is that sinne of sacriledge Last of all for I let passe others Read Mr John Deacon a solid and sharp Questionist Replyant and Demandant In his publike discovery of a secret deceit or the man of sin unmasked and Satan transformed into the resemblance of an Angell of light in that Sect or Society commonly called Quakers in which you have nineteen quaeries sent to the Quakers Speaker at the bull and mouth neer Aldersgate and miserably answered by James Nayler whom he calleth justly the grand fomentor of heresie and replyed unto by Mr Deacon and fourteen more returned by Nayler and fully answered by Mr Deacon and foure and twenty more proposed by Mr Deacon which nor James Nayler nor any of his fellow Quakers I believe can truly and plainly answer but they must denie the holy Scriptures or forsake their owne false erronious and hereticall principles And thus I have said enough to direct James Nayler and all his deceived deluding Antichristian pharisaicall company of Quakers where they may finde Answers to their so much bragged of quaeries It would be happy for them if they could leave their errours and enquire after the knowledge of Christ that they may be taught by him Eph. 4.20 21. as the truth is in Jesus which I desire I may pray for And now dear soules if any of you that belong to Jesus Christ have been drawn away with the errour of these wicked perfect pharisees as they are rightly called return againe to your first Husband Christ your Saviour Hos 2.7 you will finde it will be better with you so then now it is and fly the society of these deluding equivocating Antichristian Quakers who speak sometimes of the Scriptures but deny them to be the word of God and make use of them in shew but not in sincerity and truth Who pretend to a Christ within them but deny the merits of Christs blood and righteousnesse of Christ imputed to beleevers for Justification and salvation Some who proudly boast George Fox Iames Nayler c. proved before Read their books and where doe you read of asking forgivenesse of sin for Christs sake they are equall with God and as holy just and good as God that they are perfect and without sinne and therefore ask no forgiveness of sins at Gods hand for Christs merits sake casting away both the Article of Faith in which we profess we believe remission of sinnes and that petition of the Lords prayer in which our Saviour teacheth us to pray Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them that trespass against us Yea they endeavour to draw poore soules from Christs publike Ordinances and to forsake the plain straite way to Heaven Mat. 7. like cheating thieves draw them into by waies Mat. 7.14 that they may-more securely rob and spoil them of the rich treasure of the Gospell and blessed way to glory Seek then my friends to Christ who is the wisedome of the Father Prov. 8. Col. 2.3 for wisedome and power to depart from the tents of these wicked men Numb 16.16 and to turne againe unto the Lord that ye perish not in their Apostacy from Christ And for you my honoured pretious soules and well beloved in the Lord Jesus who by strength from Christ have withstood the temptations of these deluding Quakers and are established in the Faith of Christ Watch still and beware ye be not drawn away with the errour of the wicked and fall from your owne stedfastnesse and labour in the use of all good means publike in the congregations of the saints private in your families and secret in your closets by the power of Christ and assistance of the Spirit of holiness John 15.5 Phil. 4.13 to grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 2 Pet. 3.17 18. To whom with God the Father and God the blessed Spirit be glory both now and for ever Amen Immanuel Bourne FINIS