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A89880 Independencie no schisme. Or, An answer to a scandalous book, entituled, The schismatick sifted: written by Mr. John Vicars. Which may serve also for a reply to Master Edwards his Gangræna. Wherein is discovered the vanity of those unjust slanders cast upon the dissenting brethren, whom they call Independents. With some hints added about gospel-government. / By M.N. med. pr. Nedham, Marchamont, 1620-1678. 1646 (1646) Wing N391; Thomason E344_24; ESTC R200974 10,956 18

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INDEPENDENCIE NO SCHISME Or An Answer to a Scandalous Book entituled The Schismatick sifted Written by Mr. JOHN VICARS Which may serve also for a Reply to Master EDWARDS his Gangraena Wherein is discovered the vanity of those unjust Slanders cast upon the Dissenting Brethren whom they call Independents With some Hints added about Gospel-Government By M. N. Med. Pr. 2 Cor. 13. 6 7 8 9. I trust ye shall know that we are not Reprobates Now I pray to God that ye do no evil not that we should appeare approved but that ye should do that which is honest though we be as reprobates For we do nothing against the Truth but for the Truth For we are glad when we are weak and ye are strong and this also we wish even your perfection Ephes 4. 25. Wherefore putting away lying speak every man truth with his neighbour for we are members one of another London Printed for Rob. White 1646. To Master VICARS Mr. Vicars YOu may mean well but you write ill and as pious acute Mr. Saltmarsh * Shadowes flying away sayes of Mr. Gataker me thinks your Expressions have too much of that which Solemon cals frow ardnesse in old men Alas Sir I cannot imagine you are yet out of your Horn-book in Divinity that expresse so little Logick in your writings and therefore you may do well to be silent and let the Anakims of the Presbyterie the tall S●pbisters take the task upon them and not let your Cause suffer by railing inconclusive Notions which have no more to underprop them but your own Ipse dixi But I observe you write much which is the reason I thought fit to waste a few houres that men of understanding may not gaze any mor● after Paper-kites of your makeing And so resolved to fall to sifting that Book which you call the Schismatick sifted c. that in a little may be discovered the vanity of all the rest of your Pamphlets And verily if there had been as little malice as wisedome and no more falshood than reason in it it had been passed with as much neglect as is due to folly But when you one of the simplicity of your heart begin to cast dirt in the faces of the most illuminated and eminent Saints and servants of Christ and like a giddy Animal paddle and rake in the kennel of Slander to asperse or quench the most excellent Lights 'T is time to bray you for your foolishnesse in a Mortar hoping you are not past Cure of the Pestle TO THE READER Good Reader HAve a little patience for I must needs throw away some Ink upon this Paper-worme this great benefactor to the Magazine of waste paper As a further explanation of his mind he cals his Pamphlet by another Name The Picture of Independents freshly and fairly washt over again wherein the Sectaries the principall seducers to that dangerous and subtile schisme of Independencie are lively set forth c. That you may know whom he means by the principall Sectaries and Seducers c. he places these Names following in the Front Master William Greenhill Master Thomas Goodwin Master Philip Nye Master William Bridge Master Ieremiah Burroughs Master Sydrach Sympson Master William Carter Men of excellent Gifts absolute Integrity and profound Knowledge in the mysteries of God in Christ yet here blotted in his pernicious Pamphle with the worst of slanders whom to vindicate were in a manner to wrong them their known perfections soaring above the reach of impious scandal By washing over again you must understand that Mr. Vicars drew a Picture of the Independents not long since which he now washes over again and he good man thinks he hath done very well yet sure he is but an ill Picture-drawer that needs Spectacles and borrows deceitfull Colours from others as Mr. Vicars doth whom I will now present to you in his own picture with every lineament of his folly Independencie no Schisme Master VICARS THat ill weeds grow apace in Gods garden the Church through the impunity and intolerable Toleration of Sectaries Schismaticks 2. That since they cry out for liberty of conscience it is more lawfull for him to use liberty of speech with christian moderation 3. That Independencie is a most dangerous schisme and that the door of Independents hangs upon two hinges Hope of impunity and a continued good opinion even among the Presbyterian party 4. That they love to live Salamander like in the fire of hot disputes Answer To the first That ill weeds grow apace in Gods garden by toleration c. Let the Church the garden of God be once furnished with true genuine plants I mean such only as our heavenly Father hath planted by divine institution Let such a Government be set up as is only according to the will and appointment of Jesus Christ and there can be no fear of prejudice by a toleration of divers Opinions If the work be of God if a Church way be founded upon the impregnable rock Christ nothing can overthrow it not the gates of hell can prevaile against it There was no noise made in building Solomons temple and why should we make tumults and persecutions in building up the temple of Christ whose temple we are Let men be left to the power of the Word and if they be not convinced by its mighty working if they be given over to strong delusions not all the principalities and policies under heaven can reduce them the Gospel is the gospel of peace and we have no warrant thence to deal otherwise with men then in a way of Peace and Gospel power Secondly Mr. Vicars we do allow there are Sectaries Schismaticks and Hereticks in the Church of God for such the Apostle sayes there will be among us and I believe now are and whether it be not better to leave their conversion to the power of the Word than to cudgel and whip them to it I leave those who know any thing of gospel proceedings to judge But in the mean time will you call all that are not of your own opinion such even those of the most moderate Dissenters must they be markt with a black coal by wise Mr. Vicars for sectaries and schismaticks and their names thus bespattered in Print which for ought he knowes may be written fair in the Book of life Thirdly I observe there is a great noise made of Schisme here among us Thus the Papists charged the Protestants with schisme upon Luthers Reformation and a long time after till the slander became as thredbare as the proofs of it were weak Just so now deal the Presbyterians with their brethren whom they nickname Independents and whosoever traces Ecclesiastical history shall find it hath ever been Satans policie upon any irradiations of Divine light immediately to brand it for schisme which is the main reason why Reformation hath been so often near the birth and yet not strength to bring it forth I am perswaded though we should hear a voice from heaven