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A27069 Which is the true church? the whole Christian world, as headed only by Christ ... or, the Pope of Rome and his subjects as such? : in three parts ... / by Richard Baxter ... Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1679 (1679) Wing B1453; ESTC R1003 229,673 156

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