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A35728 A consideration and a resolvtion first concerning the right of the laity in nationall councels : secondly concerning the power of bishops in affaires secular : prepared for the honourable House of Parliament / by Sr. E.D. ... Dering, Edward, Sir, 1598-1644. 1641 (1641) Wing D1106; ESTC R4300 13,347 35

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unlesse you can prove that all the Brethren in Antioch to whom these Brethren in Hierusalem did write were onely Clergie men Which if you should affirme our Clergy will hardly bee pleased with you for they must then be of the multitude not a speciall lot for Barnabas and Paul did deliver this Epistle being t●e decree of this Synod to the multitude {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} as it is found in the 30 verse And when they had gathered the multitude together they delivered the Epistle Thus much in way of pursuit for this one argument that no Canons can binde the Laity where we have no voyce of our owne nor choyce of the Clergie persons who doe found them nor assent in the susception of them after they are framed Quod omnes tangit ab omnibus tractari debet It remaines as a wish that every member of that meeting who voted these exorbitant Canons should come severally to the barre of the Parliament house with a Canon booke in his hand and there unlesse he can answer his Catechisme as I call'd it and shew what is the name of their meeting and unlesse hee can manifest that the Laity are no part of the Church conceptis verbis in such expresse termes as that hovse should thinke fit to abjure his owne ill begotten issue or else be Commanded to give fire to his owne Canons FINIS HOSEA 8. 4. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} They have reigned to themselves and not by me they have beene princes and I knew it not THAT BB. OVGHT NOT TO HOLD SECVLAR POWER OVR Lord and Saviour blessed for ever being indeede a King Pilate his Judge seemeth to start and bee in feare at that great title Although our Saviour had told him Iohn 18. 36. saying My Kingdome is not of this world Pilate still in feare sought to release him Iohn 19. 12. but more in feare of Caesar the King at that time of this world he adjudged the Lord of life to death yet honorably writeth his Title Mat. 27. 37. This is Iesus the King of the Iewes This title he then was crowned withall when life and death divided his soule and body asunder that in a manner it may bee said hee never was King indeede untill he was out of this world If he who was our Lord and Master Ioh. 13. 13. had not this worlds royalty whence commeth that the Pope is Crowned and his Cardinall 's in purple whence have our Bishops their Lordships and as themselves call it Bishop Hall in his Episcopacy c. part 2. p. 106. jura regalia their royalty and rites of Baronage It may prove a disquisition deepe and dangerous yet I desire without envy to their pompe or persons to wade so farre as may satisfie a minde that loves Truth and desires to be led by it and this with all possible brevity There hath beene a happie and blessed reformation of our Church God send a better and a more severe reformation of our Churchmen or else our Church is now in danger to be deformed againe The state of this inquirie may bee this viz. whether the Ministers of Christs Kingdome may receive worldly titles and execute worldly offices and powers or more generally thus Whether a Clergy man may semel simul be both a Clergy man and a Layman in power office and authotity over other men in both kinds Goe we to the fountaine head Luke 22. 24 There was a strife among them the Apostles which of them should bee accompted the greatest which of the twelve soever beganne this emulation of power Certaine it is that the two soones of Zebedee Iames and Iohn with their mother first presumed Mat. 20. 20. to come and aske the highest places of honour next to the very throne in the Kingdome of Christ which Kingdome was conceited by them shortly after to be raised in the splendour of this world This is genuinely gathered from this very story generally confessed clearely confirmed in the historie of the Acts c. where the Apostles doe aske our Saviour even after his resurrection saying Acts 1. 6. Lord wilt thou at this time restore againe the Kingdome to Israel Therefore to these two brethren and their mother so much mistaken in the nature of his Kingdome he maketh answer Mat. 20. 22. yee know not what you aske He presently sheweth the entertainement of his Kingdome A cup to drinke of that many were like to pray might passe from them but they answer they are able to drinke thereof This their answer as it proved true in all the twelve Apostles so by the providence of God one of these two brothers Acts 12. ●● Iames was the first of all the rest who dranke the cup of Martyrdome and as some thinke Iohn was the last of the Apostles Equalls looke awry on the ambition of their fellowes These two were vaine in their high request and the other ten murmured at their presumption Math. 20. 24. They were moved with indignation saith Saint Matthew Mar. 10. 41. They began to be much displeased saith Saint Marke But by this happie error of these two Apostles our Saviour takes occasion to instruct them and the other ten and in them all other Ministers belonging unto him how farre different the pastorall care of his Church is from the power which governeth in commonwealthes Here upon the sonne of God calleth unto him all the twelve Apostles saying Mat. 20. 25. ye know that the Princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion c. Mar. 10. 24. ye know that they which are accompted to rule over the Gentiles exercise Lordships c. Luke 22. 25. The Kings of the Gentiles exercise Lordships c. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} But it shall not be so among you This is a statute not to be repealed This is spoken authorative definitivè it is the determinate Law of a just authority A Canon ordained and irrevocably fixed by the wisedome of God Confirmed by an example above all argument Mat. 20. 28. Mar. 10. 45. For the sonne of man came not to be ministred unto but to Minister Luke 22. 22. I am among you as he that serveth And before this hee had taught them Mat. 10. 24. That the Disciple is not above his Master Ioh. 13. 15. 16. I have given you an example that you shall doe as I have done to you verily verily the servant is not greater then the Lord This ministry being thus performed in humility and without worldly titles The Ministers shall be then exalted Our blessed Saviour in the expresse words following saith unto them Luke 22. 29. I appoint unto you a Kingdome but addeth as my Father hath appointed me Now his owne Kingdome is spirituall or as himselfe said unto Pilate not of this world Let them then renounce temporall and they shall have spirituall honour But some of the Clergy would it seemes confound both Kingdomes being ambitious to inherit Glory in the Kingdom