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A14399	Concerning the excommunication of the Venetians a discourse against Cæsar Baronius Cardinall of the Church of Rome In which the true nature and vse of excommunication is briefly and cleerly demonstrated, both by testimonies of Holy Scripture, and from the old records of Christs Church. Written in Latine by Nicolas Vignier, and translated into English after the copie printed at Samur 1606. Whereunto is added the Bull of Pope Paulus the Fift, against the Duke, Senate and Commonwealth of Venice: with the protestation of the sayd Duke and Senate. As also an apologie of Frier Paul of the order of Serui in Venice.; De Venetorum excommunicatione, adversus Caesarem Baronium. English	Vignier, Nicolas.; Sarpi, Paolo, 1552-1623. Apologia per le oppositioni fatte dall'illustrissimo & reverendissimo signor cardinale Bellarminio alli trattati, et risolutioni di Gio. Gersone. English.; Baronio, Cesare, 1538-1607. Duo vota. English.; Catholic Church. Pope (1605-1621 : Paul V); Venice (Republic : to 1797). Doge (1606-1612 : Donato)	1607 (1607)	STC 24719; ESTC S120778	41,133	78

with the vaine rumbling of the Papall cursings haue termed now at last Galli alluding to the French in the ambiguitie of words who heertofore sided with the Popes against Venice The Armes of France Saint Antonies fire Lib. 22. cap. 19. Mushromes much eaten in Italy and haue a poisonous qualitie in them saith Atheneus But he meaneth the pride and vanitie the word being fungus In fasciculo rerum expetendarum that your fire is no better than a painted flame and the thunder-cracks of your terrible Salmoneus no more to be feared then childrens rattles For so long as the Cocks set not vp their combes not affright with their crowing the howling of these night birds are but toies Or what cause is there why the Lions of Venice should be afraid of your fire who carrie about them Lilies an excellent remedie as Physitians write against the disease called Ignis sacer and not so alone but as Pliny writeth against the stinging of serpents and poison of mushromes Indeed I confesse the lightning of Gods seruants is not rashly to bee vilepended and yet there is no cause to stand in feare therof alwaies especially when as Vdalrichus Huttenus a knight of Germany writeth it proceedeth from Humane passion I tremble at the indignation of Christ I feare not the displeasure of the Pope and this is not Christs cause but the Popes quarrell These nets are not cast to catch soules but to draw in gold and siluer for seeing that the late Censure of Clement the Eight against the state of Ferrara thriued so well as to enlarge Peters patrimonie with an accesse of not a sew townes these Scarlet Fathers haue made them selues a promise that this against Venice shall speed as well But I wish them take heed lest Ill counsell fall heauiest on the giuers Iohan de Mandeuilla lib. 1 Venetians by their long continued trade with the Grecians may happely haue learned to answere Paul 5. to the same purpose as the Greekes sometimes did Iohn the two and twentieth Wee beleeue thy authoritie is within thy owne dominions supreme we can not indure thy pride which is extreamen we are not able to satiate thy Auarice The Diuell be with thee because God is with vs. Now therefore to returne from whence we haue digressed by the premises Baronius you may perceiue the vanitie and follie of that your exhortation which you annex vnto your Pope B Go on then a Gods name holy Father as you haue begun suppose not that no man can iustly tax your too much hastinesse c. For it had been your part first to haue proued the thing right and honest wherto you would lead him which failing to do you shall haue no thankes for your idle attempt in seeking to match Paul your Pope in equall termes with Paul the Apostle of the Gentiles much lesse to preferre him before and incite him as you do to proceed There is no delay can excuse much lesse commend that which originally was vniust nay rather the longer debated demurred the greater the fault in execution But this palpable flatterie makes me remember a worthie saying of Roderigo Bishop of Zamora In spec●ritae hum lib. 2. c. 3. The Pope though he hath all things a yet euermore stands in need of one thing viz. a faithfull Counsellor to tell him the trueth For from the highest vnto the lowest euerie one is giuen to sooth him vp they tell him smooth tales but all to deceiue him Cunningly they aduise him for their owne aduantage Fraudulently they supplicate to attaine their own wishes and for that flatterie is associate with guile as euery man can tell they combine among themselues like craftie companions as they bee not to crosse or thwart the one the other And as the scope of an Orator is to perswade the end of Physicke is to recure so the intent of a flatterer is to colour and deceiue The fowlers call is a pleasing note but the end is to deceiue the bird And as Ierome said once Poisons are giuen mixt with hony These are the men that make God and the Pope fellowes ascribing some Deitie vnto him But and if I mistake not the trueth the Popes should indeed heerein shew themselues like God if they would command such Varlets to the halter but out of all doubt true seruers of God if such coosining deceiuers were well punished for their paines So far that Bishop But that which I maruell at most of all is that Baronius a man who knoweth all things the skilfullest antiquarie in the Church stories that liueth the man who when first hee gaue his mind to write Genesed out of Terence set it downe as his principall intent and purpose that the lies he committed to the presse might finde acceptance with the vulgar sort that hee should set down so barsh a comparison of Paul the fift with Gregorie the Seuenth and Alexander the third wherof the first was the vilest Varlet that euer sate in that sea and the latter to bee detested for his intolerable pride B I for my part so you say do professe ingenuously that I reioice in my Spirit I will say with the Apostle I do ouerabound in ioy And let mee also speake in the Apostles wordes Act. 23. God shall smite thee thou painted wall that darest belch foorth of thy vnsanctified throat the wordes of so great an Apostle who as truly canst say with a pure conscience which hee once spake I vse great boldnesse of speech toward you 2. Cor. 7.4 I glorie greatly in you I am filled with comfort and am exceedingly ioyous in all our tribulation as thou canst those former words of the same Apostle I haue wronged no man I haue corrupted no man I haue defrauded no man when the words thou speakest these verie wordes are only to wrong to defraud to corrupt B But let vs heare the iust cause of this so supera bounding ioy * When I behold in my decrepit age Gregorie or Alexander in Peters chaire Heare ô you Kings hearken ô Princes giue eare ô Potentates of the Christian world by the testimonie of Caesar Baronius a Reuerend old man a sincere Cardinall an eie witnesse a man of credit Gregorie sitteth in Peters chaire not you must know Saint Gregory the first whose Christian speech this is I speake it with confidence Greg. in epist lib. 4 epist 30. whosoeuer he be that names himselfe or would be named vniuersall Bishop in that his pride hee sheweth himselfe the forerunner of Antichrist that aduaunceth himselfe beyond all equalls who calleth the Title of Vniuersall Bishop wherein the now Popes do so much glory a Swelling a new name a word of rashnesse See the 2. and 24. episties of the 4. and 6. booke Proud Pompaticall Peruerse Superstitious Prophane Impious a Name of Error of Singularity Vanitte Hypocrisie Blasphemie That Gregorie I say the first of his name who wrote with such reuerence of Arian Princes

and to Kill By what right by what authoritie Certes Christ did constitute his Apostles Pastors to feed that Church which himselfe had acquired by his blood which also is the dutie of all and euerie one which haue any charge in the church wherunto Peter himselfe giues witnesse when hee saith 1. Pet. 5.1.2.3 The Elders which are among you I beseech which am also an Elder c. Feed the flocke of God which dependeth vpon you caring for it not by constraint but willingly not for filthy lucre but of a ready mind not as though you were Lords ouer the heritage of God but that you may be ensamples vnto the flocke and when the chiefe sheepheard shall appeare not that Arch Flamn of Rome but Christ you shall receiue an incorruptible crowne of glorie But as for that office of Killing not any the least mention in the booke of God vnlesse it may be in these places where such Pastors be deciphered as in conditions resemble your scarlet Colledge so well that milke cannot be more like to milke than you to them Concerning whom we read that God of old spake in this sort vnto Ezechiel Ezech 34.2.3 Thus saith the Lord God vnto the shepheards Woe vnto the shepheards of Israel that feed themselues Should not the shepheards feed the flocks You eat the milke and cloath yourselues with the fat you kill the best but feed not my flocke The weake haue you not strengthened the sicke haue you not healed neither haue you bound vp the broken nor brought that againe which was driuen away neither haue you sought that which was lost but with cruelty and with rigour haue you ruled them And they were scattered without a shepheard c. Therefore ô shepheards heare the word of Iehoua Thus saith the Lord God Behold I am against the shepheards and will require my sheep at their hands and cause them to cease from feeding the flocke that these shepheards may no longer feed themselues for I will deliuer my sheepe from their mouthes and they shall no more deuoure them Which Prophecy you see is fulfilled in your selues that haue lost England Sweland Denmarke Norway and the greater part of Germany deliuered from your deuouring mouthes and you can no more obtrude your merchandise vpon them your Lambes of wax Agnos Dei your hallowed beades your Bulles your Iubiles But come wee to the grounds whereon this paradox is built and to those pillars that beare it vp B The Lord said vnto him Feed my sheep and he heard a voice from Heauen Kill and Eat I maruel you deduce not your office of killing out of the first word Lib. 1. de Rom. Pontifice c. 15. Feed seeing Bellarmine not the least among these scarlet Worthies hath found your Popes Regall authoritie therein For Homer saith the man in his second Ilias from whom Christ no doubt did borrow this phrase calleth Agamemnon once and again Pastor of the people 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 who it is certaine slew and sent many packing away to Pluto and therefore shared it should seeme this office of killing with you But passe wee from these bables and come vnto the oracles more renowmed than the Delphian Peter heard a voice from heauen Kill and eat What if he did B Matth. 26 52. Iohn 18.13 He heard also from * Christs own mouth Put vp thy sword into thy sheath for he that striketh with the sword shall perish with the sword Whether voice of the two did most amate Peter that which bid him or that which did forbid him to kill Either was this his voice vttered by him whom it is high impiety to disobey whom all religion tieth to yeeld obedience vnto who cannot lie nor cannot deceiue And Peter was obedient vnto both He did not cast away the keies which Christ had committed to him iointly with the other * Apostles Math. 16.19 and take him vnto his sword as * one of the Popes of Rome is reported to haue cast Peters keies into the Tiber and laid hold Pope Iulv the second that Butifeu of Italy as he called it vpon Pauls swords but subiected himselfe vnto Neroes sword and as well by example taught others so to do as by this his expresse precept 1. Peter 2 1● Submit your selues vnto all maner ordinance of man for the Lords sake whether it be vnto the King as vnto the superioror vnto gouernours as vnto them that are sent of him for the punishment of euill doers and for the praise of them that do well Neither hauing receiued that message Kill and eat did he withdraw himselfe from the society of the Gentiles which was the scope and end both of this voice and heauenly vision For being ignorant as then that the ceremonies of Moses law were to be abolished and the Gentiles to be aggregated into the people of God without receiuing the seale of circumcision or obseruing of other legall rites Christ by this vision would teach him the truth for that sheet and vessell which Peter beheld is a resemblance of the Church of Christ which is said to be let down from heauen because it is on Gods prouidence more strongly suspended than if it were fastened vnto Iupiters golden chaine wherof Homer speketh There be within the continent of the Church liuing creatures of euery kind vnder heauen foure-footed flying creeping things cleane and vncleane that is to say which as yet Peter did not know Iewes and Gentile That is the mystery which in former times was not disclosed vnto men but now is made manifest to his Apostles and Prophets in the Spirit that the Gentiles are to be made one body coheires and copartners of the promise in Christ by the Gospell as Paul speaketh Eph. 3. Which vision because of some obscurity in it is farther illustrated in course of Scripture Kill saith he and Eat without difference cleane and vncleane beasts Leuit. 11. per totum For howsoeuer it was hitherto by the law forbidden it is now permitted by grace in Christ which to be the intendment and scope of that vision Peter himselfe doth contest in these words of his vnto Cornelius You know it is vnlawfull for a man that is a Iew to company or conuerse with one of another nation Act. 10. But God hath shewed me that I must not call any man defiled or impure And this is the generall exposition of the Fathers agreeing thereupon with one consent out of whose Commentings and large enarrations Oecumenius collected those his summary notes which hee hath left vpon the Acts of the Apostles His words be these Oecumenius in Act. Aposto●●rum The vessell which he saw designeth the world made of grosse substance The beasts of diuers kinds are types of the different degrees of man And to speake more plainly The sheet is the Church The liuing creatures in it be the Gentiles Peter saw the Church tied and knit vnto the foure Euangelists and all

doe with his owne mother sister gossip or kinswoman gross 5. Absolution for him that hath killed his father mother sister brother or other of his kin if he be a lay man for were any of them a Clergy man the murtherer must be tied to visit in person the Apostolick sea gross 6. or 7. at most Absolution for a woman which hath taken downe any potion whereby to destroy the Infant conceiued within her gross 5. Not to runne vpon particulars no sinne so enormous but with mony may be wiped out without mony no remission For as the old rhythme hath it The Court of Rome but for the fleece Seekes not the sheepe at all Opening the doore to all that giue But th● emptie stand and call Or if you had rather heare the Taxing of the Apostolique Chancery thus saith that booke Note you diligently that such graces and indulgences be neuer granted vnto poore men who because they are not cannot be comforted These are not those times you shall know wherein it was easier for a Camell to passe thorow the eie of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdome of Heauen But these are golden daies indeed in which Heauen is purchased by gold and shut against the poore man because he hath no gold to buy it To the purpose Papall Excommunication is commonly grounded vpon these or such like causes Priuate Hatred The Popes Credulitie or else Ambition Paschall the Second Pope of that name when Henrie the Fift Emperour Elect came as the manner was to Rome to receiue the Imperiall Crowne of the Popes hand raised such hurlies against his Prince as put him to stand vpon the guard of his life and brought him to the hazard of his State When matters were taken vp and pacified and the Emperour and Pope agreed together the Pope gaue his word not to assay to doe ought which any way might preiudice the Imperiall Maiestie secondly to returne backe againe the right which they had in bestowing of Bishopricks For farther confirmation of which protestation when hee receiued the Sacrament with the Emperor hee is said to haue vsed this execration Let him so be diuided from the Kingdome of Christ that shall go about to break this agreement as this part of that life-giuing body is diuided And yet for all this scarse had the Emperor gone out at the City gates when as the faithlesse and treacherous Pope reuersed whatsoeuer hee did before cast Excommunication out against the Emperour and set new worke in hand against him A●bas Vrsperg in P●●lippo Innocent the 111. dealt as sluttishly with the Emperor Philip denouncing him Excommunicate for no cause else but for pretence of his Predecessors cruelty And when the newes was brought him of the mans election to the Empire hee brake out into these franticke and bedlome speeches Either shall the Pope take Crowne and Kingdome from Philip or Philip from the Pope his Apostolicall honor It is impossible to summe vp into a breuiarie the froward and tyrannicall Popish designs and practise against Emperours and Kings Princes and Magistrates only two examples shall be all I will touch which both euince his great abuse of Excommunication and touch the Venetians more neere than any else discouering the long since practised tyranny of the Popes against them At Auinion where it was for 70. yeeres and more Pope Clement the fift who kept his Court * in France vnderstanding the Venetians had taken in Ferrara presently vpon the newes became stark mad and without delay thundred out his Excommunication against them giuing leaue vnto any man by faire meanes or soule to kill as many as hee could Pabel Lib. 7. Decad. 9. beeing now iudged enemies of the Romane church and cast forth from the communion of the faithfull Supplementum Chronichorum giuing libertie vnto all Christians whosoeuer to arrest the Venetians wheresoeuer they met them to confiscate their goods sell their bodies as slaues in the markets which turned so farre vnto their losse and detriment that the State could not trade nor negotiate with any strangers at all till at length Francis Dandalo being sent vnto France from the Senate vnto the Pope and with much adoe admitted vnto his presence putting an iron chaine vpon his necke lay vnder his table as a suppliant so long till he got this vngentle Clement to yeeld to let fall his moodinesse and restore the Venetians to their former state For which hee was after that called the Dogge because as a dogge he lay chained vnder the Popes dining table The second example is of Pope Sixtus the Fourth who proclaimed warres against the King of Naples for helping Hercules of Este Duke of Ferrara against the Venetians whom the Pope did abet in that quarrell with his spiritual and temporall forces Platina in vita Sixti 4. But after their agreement with King Ferdinand the same man with the power of Appulia set vpon the same Venetians whom he before had fauoured and not content stirred vp against them the Princes of Italie as many as hee could Supplementum Chronicorum sentenced them with his Spirituall curse depriued them of all their whatsoeuer Dominions to the vtmost extent of his power Neither in his life time could they obtaine to be released hauing not any cause or pretext for his doings more than that hee feared their growing too great would put himselfe and other Italian Princes to haue cause to looke neere vnto themselues This was in his time a most holy Father Petro à Ruuiere Ioan Textor Wessel Gron de Indulgent whose base borne sonne a worthie Impe of such a Sire Peter Cardinall Priest of Rome Patriarch of Constantinople Legat a Latere for the Pope prodigally stantinople Legat a Latere for the Pope prodigally lauished in two yeeres space 300000. duckats in luxurie and vaine expenses who also together with the Cardinall Saint Lucy interceded with his Father for themselues and their families to haue male stewes permitted them the three hottest moneths of the yeere and had a grant from that most holy Father Sixtus with this clause Be it vnto you as you desire But it will be replied It is a new world now and other manners are now in vse And this new world begun and hallowed with their Iubilies not at Rome alone but euerie Hamlet and Village vnder Romane obeisance hath brought vs new causes of Excommunication But pardon mee The grounds vpon which the Venetians bee excommunicate are not any whit better than those wee haue rehearsed For neither is I trow the State of the Romish religion in hazard there whereto the Venetians are most zealously inclined nor yet that obedience due as they call it to the Apostolique Sea from which they professe and protest vnto the world they detract not any thing which is theirs by diuine right Neither is it any question of manners after which though neuer so corruptly depraued the Pope makes no inquisition at al. But

by them who vse godlinesse as a trade to gaine by But as the vse of this sacred and holy worke is very soueraigne so the abuse of it is most pestilent and pernitious when vnder pretence thereof enuie is sometimes stirred vp contrarie to all diuine and humane lawes and they which are not well backed are laden and oppressed with the hatred of others and wholesome doctrine is abandoned by which according to the instruction of the Euangelists and Apostles both the world and Common-wealths are gouerned and do endure Surely I wish and desire nothing more than to performe all subiection and obedience vnto you and to render an account of my faith neither do I flee the light who being grounded vpon the Catholique faith according to the Commandement of the Lord haue giuen to Caesar those things which are Caesars and to God those things which are Gods But such is the estate of times and many things haue come to this passe that all men may plainly see that I am to be exempted from your citation and command For when as without obseruance of any lawfull order the bookes are interdicted and forbidden before the authors of them are heard to speak for themselues neither any sentences or propositions chosen out marked and noted with speciall censures that it might be made manifest in euerie particular of what sort they either were or might be esteemed to be as the custome hath beene in former times and especially obserued in the Councell holden at Constance but the matter deliuered after a new fashion and vnheard of in an elaborate oration namely that many things in those bookes contained were very rash calumnious scandalous seditious scismaticall and hereticall respectiuely so that by reason of the obscu the oration and the vndetermined limitation of that aduerbe it can not appeare whether by all those wordes all the foresaid bookes bee condemned or what esteeme we are to make of euerie one of them in particular and this done to this end that men might reserue free libertie vnto themselues to speake when and what they would as the occasions of the future businesse might moue them and that the authors of the bookes might haue their answers to seeke for the defending of their bookes And since all bookes that might afterward be written of that argument which might containe in them the right and cause of the Common-wealth of Venice are alreadie condemned an end is put to any intended controuersie in respect of any one which would be a publisher or defender of their lawes and rights Wherefore most renouned Lordes since sentence though ambiguous and needing a manifold explication is alreadie denounced against me concerning those bookes which were composed by me after so great a preiudice brought vpon mee before I was heard speak it is not now lawful by any right that any other iudgement should be pronounced against me as if the matter were intire or that I should be called to mine answer and cited to appeare after sentence denounced against me Neither besides all this can I looke for vpright iudgement when as among the rest that worthy Lord Cardinall Bellarmine sitteth as Iudge who in a booke thus in Italian intituled An answer of Cardinall Bellarmine to a Treatise of seuen Diuines of Venice concerning the Interdict of the holinesse of our Lord Pope Paul the Fift and to the oppositions of Friar Paul of the order of Seruants against the first writing of the said Cardinall doth plainly affirme that he had beene exceedingly iniured by the foresaid Apologie and wheras he doth not answer that which was obiected against him hee heapeth vp a multitude of taunts against me and on euerie side breatheth out reuenge and therefore hee ought to haue absteined from denouncing sentence against me or else from interposing himselfe as a iudge in this matter either for feare of God or his owne conscience terrifying him or at least for the auoiding of scandall Furthermore this may bee added that sentences and censures haue beene published against our renowmed Prince the Senate and Common wealth of Venice and against their fauourers adherents and counsellers whom I of duty and with blessing from the Reuerend Father Prior generall of my order of Seruants do serue in place of a Diuine an Ecclesiasticall ciuill Lawyer as others can not dissemble their angrie minde against me so I can not but be in great feare which things seeing they be manifest to all men needed not any longer discourse But seeing that as it is auerred it is manifest vnto you by the testimonie of men of credit and other arguments that there is no safe accesse vnto mee to serue a personall citation it should bee farre more apparant vnto the same men that I should haue farre lesse safe yea most dangerous passage vnto you wherfore ye haue saued me a labour of prouing that which I purposed to haue done for if ye being mightie men bee not able to serue one citation on mee shall I the meanest of all being now absent from the Communion of you and yours looke for safe conducts shall I haue safe accesse vnto you Neither is this to bee last and least regarded that by the Edict of our renouned Prince Ecclesiasticall persons are prohibited to depart out of this dominion whom I ought in dutie especially to obey both in regard of respects common 〈◊〉 me with all others as also for that the spirituall seruice being adioined with the regular and lawfull obedience vnto the Common-wealth it is not only vnlawfull to depart out of the kingdome but euen out of the Citie without leaue obtained As for my selfe Reuerend Lordes I am readie to render an account of my faith vnto any man and to answer any not suspected Iudges and for that purpose to take a iourney to any safe places Wherefore the case thus standing I beseech you by the comming of that great and fearefull Iudge with whom there shall be no respect of persons that ye would not persecute a worme and dead dogge but as right requires ye would admit of my exceptions against the iudgements the iudges and the place of triall and pronounce them iustly made If yee doe otherwise I pronounce a nullity in the sight of God and his holy Church of your decrees and all further proceedings and commend my selfe to the protection of the almighty and cast the care of my selfe vpon his Maiestie And if I bee separated from your community as you threaten to deale with mee without all order of diuine or humane lawes God assisting me I am ready to beare it with a patient mind being certaine with Gelasius that an vniust sentence can hurt no man in the sight of God and his Church I am lesse moued with the threatned penalty of perpetuall infamie I will speake according to the saying of that most holy man Thinke of Austen what you will only let not my conscience accuse me in the sight of God S. Peter hath long since admonished vs that none should suffer as a man slaier or a thiefe or an euill speaker or a desirer of other mens goods but if hee suffereth as a Christian let him not bee ashamed I shall exceedingly reioice with the holy Apostles if I suffer reproch for the doctrine of Christ and the holy Apostle Paul But I am not ashamed that I am defamed for expounding and defending the right of a Catholike most mighty and renowmed Common wealth thorow the whole earth I will also most willingly beare the infamie which I shall suffer for defending the memory and credit of Iohn Gerson a most Christian Doctor and a man of admirable learning and pietie and exceeding good desert of the Church of Rome Trusting that through the puritie of the Euangelicall and Apostolicall doctrine and the renowne of so great a Common-wealth and the renowne and fame of that most holy Doctor the mark of vniust and vndeserued infamy shall be taken away I nothing respect the punishment of being depriued from offices and dignities which yee threaten beside excommunication I neither desire any offices or dignities neither would I receiue any if they were offered I am fully determined to applie my selfe to the seruice of God in that calling in which hee hath placed me Let those bee moued with such scarre-crowes who do account them punishments I esteeme it an especiall office and dignitie to liue all my life in this most base and low degree But in the meane time since I can not come vnto you to render by liuely voice an account of my faith for reasons aboue mentioned and others in their due place and time to be alledged by my works alreadie published and those which I shall heereafter performe I haue and will render you a full account of it and I will keepe entire that dutie obedience and faith which I haue heeretofore borne towards you especially so many yeeres as I was conuersant at Rome hoping that God will giue me opportunitie time and occasion to approue my innocencie vnto you and the whole world and heare mee in his due time and in the meane while giue mee such successe with my tentation that I shall be able to beare it But I do earnestly intreat and beseech you by the comming of Christ our Lord and your dutie and place in the Church of God if ye haue thought any sentences and propositions in my writing worthie reprehension since it can not bee coniectured from the doubtfull wordes of the former edict what they are that yee would command that they bee selected out and noted with fit markes that I agreeing to your iudgement to which I will alwaies attribute much may either expound them if they bee not cleere enough or else fortifie them with more strong reasons and arguments For in the meane time whilest they are condemned together with other writings of other men without any speciall exception with an amhiguous aduerb I protest that there can be nothing found in them worthy reprehension At Venice from the Conuent of Seruants Nouember 29. 1606.