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A79851 A second voyce from the temple to the higher povvers. Wherein is proved that the decrees and institutions of popes and popish counsels, which have been established by the law of the land, and have been continued and confirmed throughout divers ages, by several acts of Parliament, against Jesus Christ, in the way and order of the Gospel (the same yet standing) ought by the present supream authority of this nation to be taken away. Moreover; here is shewed, some particular decrees of popes, which have beeen established by several acts of Parliament, viz. A nationall ministry, tythes, prohibiting men from publick preaching of the Gospel, unlesse elected and ordained after a popish manner, &c. All which as they are the institutions of popes, formerly confirmed by the law of the land, so now, to be abrogated. By John Canne. Canne, John, d. 1667? 1653 (1653) Wing C442A; Thomason E710_19; ESTC R207195 25,656 36

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neither of them by the Law of the Land have any title to it For they are not such Incumbents or Ecclesiasticall persons as the Law allowes in case of Tythes For whosoever hath not been ordained Priest or Deacon by a Bishop that is whose Ministerie is not essentially from the Sea of Rome to use Masons words Or as the Non-Conformists expresse it he whose entrance into the Ministerie is not by a Popish and unlawfull vocation strange from the Scriptures and never heard of in the Primitive Church Cannot as a Minister by act of Parliaments claim any proprietie in Tythes Again for such as have renounced their ordination by Bishops and take themselves to be Ministers by Election and Ordination some other way these the Law of the Land counts Sectaries and Schismaticks men that have forfeited their livings and places and so to be suspended It is true Doctor Corn Burgesse though he have turnd often yet probably hath not turnd himselfe out of his title but with Gilhinham Gauden Hamond Slater Reeves Taylor Aern And so Mossom Hardie Baker Williams and other Service Readers he I say and such as these of the old Popish way as true to their Principles may pretend something to Tythes as they have been established by the Law of the Land and as they have been continued and confirmed throughout diverse ages by severall Acts of Parliaments but for others specially the Independents and the Presbyters made since the Bishops were put down as the Law of God is cleare against them so the Law of the Land will not speake one word for them though their Counsell may 5. For what cause some lately desired the Committee to have Counsel to plead the Incumbents proprietie for Tythes it is a riddle to me For who doubts but there is custome usage Lawes and Statutes of this Land for payment thereof as Bishops Deanes Prebends and before them Monkes Fryers had Besides that honorable Committee well knows by the politick Law or custome of England which is the common law of England Tythes have bin vested setled in persons Ecclesiastical But the Question is 1. What the Incumbent hath to say Why the Lawes and Statutes of this Land enjoyning the payment of Tythes should not be abrogated 2. Why Tythes should continue payable to this Nationall Ministerie 3. Why the Magistrate as a thing proper to his place ought to appoint Tythes as the due maintenance of a Gospel Minister Now here is little worke for Lawyers it belongs rather to the Parsons and Vicars themselves to speake to this point And here I cannot but take occasion to note how some men lately in their namelesse Pamphlets for Tythes have made a great noyse about a Catalogue of the Acts of Parliaments confirming the Right of Tythes to the Church And that the world may know what paines they have taken for Babylon or it may be rather for their own Interest they begin at Magna Charta and goe through all the Popish Parliaments even to the reigne of Queen Elizabeth and raking together a great deale of the Popes trash and dung tell us very soberly of many speciall Acts and Grants for payment of Tythes confirmed by such a King in the yeares so and so what remedies the Priests had for recovery of the Tythes and penalties for non-payment of them as treble damages imprisonment without baile Now what is all this but wind and vanitie a seeking to gull and befoole the Nation I except the Parliament for I hope they are so wise as to see this to be a cheat and as we commonly say causam pro causa a taking that for defence of their cause which maketh nothing to the purpose For thus they argue Because Popes have made unlawfull decrees and idolatrous Magistrates have confirmed them Ergo this Parliament must doe so too Now I come to the Reasons against Tythes 1. This way of maintenance of Ministers by Tythes is a Popish custome imposed by the Popes authoritie without any warrant for it in the New Testament not practised in the Primitive Church in the Apostles times nor in the times of the Ministers that succeeded them for the space of some hundred yeares untill Christian doctrines and Apostolicall orders were corrupted with errours heresies and idolatrous orders of superstitious persons as Monkes Nunnes c. But no sooner sits the man of sin in the Temple of God and had set up an Antichristian Priesthood calling himselfe the high Priest and the Priests the Tribe of Levi and Gods inheritance but he made all the Clergie to swear Alleagiance to him See Fox Act. pag. 961. And commanded the people to pay Tythes to his Priests and his Priests to pay first fruits and tenths or tythes to him after the manner of the Jewish people and Levites to Aaron under the Law For the Antiquitie of the payment of Tythes in this Nation the Original I thinke can hardly be shewed Doctor Willet saith in his Synops in the fift General Controversie pag. 314. that in Austins time there was no general law nor custome in the Church for the paying of them And in those Questions that Austin the Monk after that he came into England propouned to Gregorie Bishop of Rome and in the answer which the Bishop sent him back there is nothing said of Tythes nor any such thing required for the maintenance of the Ministers but of the free gift of the people and this was about 596 yeares after Christ see Fox Act. Mon. pag. 105. Before the Councel of Lateran which was under Innocent 3. in the yeare 1215. any man might have paid his Tyth to any Ecclesiasticall person he pleased but by that Councel it was decreed that Tythes should be payd to the Pariochal Priests William Thorpe saith that Pope Gregory 10. was the first that ordained tythes to be payd to Priests in the yeare 1211. Fox pag. 494. Doct. Ridley in the booke of his called A view of the Civil law pag. 147. saith The Customes we pay our Tythes by at this day were setled upon this kingdome by the Popes Legates in Provincial and Synodal Constitutions about the time of Henry 3. and Henry 5. Howsoever these writers agree not in point of time yet in this they accord that the maintenance of Priests by Tythes was a decree of the Pope that vile person divided the Land for gain Dan. 11.39 which was confirmed by Popish Princes And therefore to be abolished as we have proved before This I shall onely adde In the second Article of the Covenant of the two Nations many have sworn to endeavour the extirpation of superstition and all kinde of Poperie that the paying of Tythes is popish nothing more certain and therefore as it is a case of conscience so men ought to be carefull either how they presse it or practice it 2. If we will follow the example and practice of our Saviour and his Apostles and the Churches of the Apostolique Institution the Ministers maintenance is not any
shall not be lawfull for any Seminary Priest or other Priest or Ecclesiasticall person what soever made without or WITHIN any of her Majesties dominions by ANY AUTHORITY CHALENGED OR PRETENDED FROM THE SEA OF ROME by or of what name or title or degree soever the same shall be called or knowne to be or remaine in any part of her Highnesse dominions and every person so offending shall be judged as Traytor and shall suffer as in case of Treason And every person which shall wittingly or willingly receive relieve comfort or maintain any such Priest or Ecclesiasticall person shall be judged a Fellon without benefit of the Clergy suffer death loose and forfeit as in case of Fellony Now hence it was as I conceive that the Non conformists made so many humble suites unto Princes and Parliaments for a lawful Ministry to be established throughout the Realm and that the present Ministry might utterly be abolished as a base Ministry which God never erected in his Church As they knew it was originally from Rome so not safe to be taken up for being ordained Priests and Ecclesiastical persons by authority from the Sea of Rome they became ipso facto by our Statute Traitors and Felons and might have been punished as other Priests had the Law been prosecuted indifferently against the one as the other And heere I cannot forget the zeale of the old Puritans against the Nation Ministry their opinion of it and often addresses to the State to have it quite taken away It is in their writings ordinarily affirmed by them that the Ministry of England is a base Ministry which God never erected in his Church but came wholy from the Pope not onely the calling of the Hierarchy but also their dependent Offices all unlawfull and Antichristian A Ministry strange from the Scriptures and never heard of in the Primitive Church a meer humane invention taken up without any warrant from Gods word and brought into the Church by the boldnesse of men It wants the life essence and being whereby a Minister is a Minister The Books are extant wherein these things and a great deal more are asserted with Admonitions Supplications petitions to the Parliament to have the Nationall Ministry quite rooted out Now is it not strange this being so that those men in times so dangerous and when little could be expected from the supream Authority in answer to their Petitions should appear with so much boldnesse against the Nationall Ministry whereas now though we have better times and better men in place from whom we may expect better things and more then they could hope for neverthelesse not so much is done but the good principles of the Non-conformists are laid aside the nationall Ministry pleaded for and by whom even such as pretend more to purity of Ordinances then the old puritans ever did 3. To countenance and allow such a Ministry as is from Rome is a great dishonour to our State specially now as if we must be beholding to the Sea of Rome and know not how to worship God without taking a Popish Clergy from thence As on the contrary to disown it by repealing the Law by which it stands and so to send it back from whence it came this would make the faces of our Governours to shine and their names to be precious and blessed in future Generations 4. To allow such a Ministry is to acknowledge the Pope of Rome to be a true minister of the Gospel I pray observe it those Laws and Statutes by which the nationall Ministry is established and continued they do acknowledg and justifie that great Antichrist as to be a true and lawfull minister of Jesus Christ Hence it is by our Law that those who are made Priests in the Church of Rome if they come to the Church of England retein their Priesthood as full and ample as before And the Reason is because the Law puts no difference between a man made Priest at Rome by the Pope or Ordained Priest by a Prelate in England as to the Office and Calling it is one and the same 5. This nationall Ministery is a great dishonour and shame to the Gospel and to Christ himselfe in his most excellent servants the Apostles and Churches of the Apostolique Institution in rejecting and reproaching their precept and practice And therefore it much concernes the Parliament to confider how they suffer such lawes in force as doe openly and publickly speak out contempt against Jesus Christ I doe not deny but men may be yea and ought to be tollerated though they erre in their opinion and practice But that the Magistrate should make a Law or continue any Law made before to the dishonour of Christ and the Gospel this they cannot doe 6. It is a dishonour to a State that any mark of the Beast should by Law be justified and practised in it But this national Ministery as derived from the Sea of Rome is one of the most perspicuous and notorious markes that Popes and Popish Councels ever gave one of the first and by which Babylon hath been most advanced and Sion ever since most opposed hated persecuted 7. This Antichristian Ministery whether it be in Spaine France England c. For it is all one I speake of the Office and calling and not of the Administrations of Priests is guilty of bloud for thousand thousands of Saints have been murdered by it And therefore as the Lord is making Inquisition for bloud so should those who are called gods on earth now follow the Lamb and shew forth the likenesse and Image of their great God Master in heaven in searching after the bloud of the Prophets and of the Saints and to execute the judgement written It is true as the times may be some Acts of Justice may be foreborn which afterward ought and must be don David complaines that the sonnes of Zerviah were to hard for him yet Solomon following being in a better capacitie put one of them to death and justly too To illustrate this by a Comparison though murder be discovered and the person knowne yet no execution can be don upon him till he fall into the hand of Justice Indeed then if the Magistrate neglect his dutie and suffer him to escape he wraps himselfe in the bloud and guilt of the Malefactor That bloud guiltinesse lies on that Ministery which essentially is derived from the Sea of Rome this hath been known to Saints in former ages but the sonnes of Zerviah were still to hard for them But now when the power shall be in their hands not to arraign and execute the murderer is to be accessary I mean in some measure and degree to the bloud of the Prophets and of the Saints shed in all ages and nations by this bloudy Ministery Lastly It might here be shewed what great inconvenience will follow so long as this National Ministery is not abolished for though Tithes be taken away yet will the people doe as they have done goe