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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A51572	The Messias of the Christians and the Jewes held forth in a discourse between a Christian, and a Iew obstinately adhering to his strange opinions, & the forced interpretations of scripture, wherein Christ the true savior of the whole world is described from the prophets and likewise that false and counterfeited Messias of the Jewes, who in vaine is expected by that nation to this very day, is discovered / written first in Hebrew, but now rendered into English by Paul Isaiah, a Jew born, but now a converted and baptized Christian.	Münster, Sebastian, 1489-1552.; Eliazar Bar-Isajah.	1655 (1655)	Wing M3039A; ESTC R42183	58,523	257

shepherd Consider that you have not a certaine and constant dwelling place I desire to know the reason why God hath cast you from him so many yeares nor doth at any time remember you for your good For when of old he punisht your fathers for their sins when they were converted and did confesse and praied unto him in their banishment he forthwith delivered them and sent them a deliverer why doth hee not the same in this time of your grievous captivity Iew Know you not that his wisdome and his counsels are not to be searcht into which do so far exceed our apprehensions as it is written The Lord is terrible in his counsell towards the sons of men we know not neither can we apprehend his wisdome and prudence or find it out and know it but he knows what he doth Christian I wonder at this your answer when you say you know not the cause why God hath cast you out of his presence surely it must needs be for some great sin such as you never committed from the beginning of the world you or your fathers whatsoever it is Furthermore when you say the comming of the Messias is nigh tell me I pray what that is which is recited in the Talmud When Rabbi Ioshua the son of Levi did aske Elias when the Messias would come and where is he he answered at Rome amongst the weake and going thither hee found him If hee was then at Rome doubtlesse he is come and borne already and yee expect him in vaine Iew The Messias is not yet come but he was borne in the time of the destruction of the Temple which the book Haggadoth that is the book of insinuations or denuntiations doth shew Christian If hee was borne in the time of the desolation from which time almost a thousand and five hundred yeares are now past and at this day hee is not yet come when I pray you or how will hee come seeing that it is not allowed in nature for any man to live a thousand and five hundred yeares Iew You know the first men lived a long time and that to the flood as some came almost to the thousandth yeare but Elias and Enoch did live much longer whom God kept alive and who live to this very day so the Messias being borne along time before is yet preserved in life Christian Where therefore and in what place is he at this day is he yet at Rome Iew It may easily bee demonstrated from scripture where he is Consider the first Adam in his first estate was in the earthly paradice but because of his sin he was cast forth from thence as saith the Scripture God sent him out of the garden of pleasure It followes therefore that he who was free from the punishment of Adam should bee in Paradice so our wise men have said in the book of denuntiations Christian I doe not well understand what you would signifie by the word denunciations therefore before you proceed declare that word to mee Iew Know therefore with us are three kinds of books one kind of books we call the 24. which commonly are called the Bible and on these wee beleeve firmely and with a perfect faith because they were written by the Prophets and other godly men to whom the Lord made known his will and did reveal mysteries Another kind is called the Talmud and is an Exposition or explanation o● the precepts of the Law fo● there are in the Law of Moses 613 precepts and all these are explained in the Talmud i● which booke we also beleeve as in an exposition of precepts which are in the hands of our Rabbies who received it from their Fathers and their Fathers received it from the Prophets and they received it from God Thirdly wee have a kinde of books which is called Medras which signifies an inquisition or discussion of matters and we commonly interpret it a common opinion for there what every man thought and what seemed right to him hee wrote down wherefore they which believe these writings do well and he that doth not believe them wrongs not himselfe Some wise men say and have also left it in writing to us that the Messias shall not be borne untill the time of our deliverance is come or shall draw nigh that he may bring us out of that captivity and I rather assent to this opinion than their judgement who say the Messias is borne long agoe namely in the time of the of the desolation of the Temple and we call the mentioned inquisition by another name Haggada that is a denunciation for it is nothing else but a certaine denunciation whereby one man signifies any thing to another Christian Is the Messias alwaies at Rome according to their opinion who thought hee was at Rome Iew Hee is not alwaies at Rome but at that time hee was seene there for Elias said to Rabbi Ioshua the son of Levi that at that time he should find him there and he might be seen for a certaine cause which is signified in Haggadoth but which I meane not to reveale to you nor to any other Christian forasmuch as I know our words are an abomination in your eyes and therefore we write such mysteries in the Tables of our heart Christian Disclose to mee I pray you what he did at Rome or what he will do these and why he will rather goe thither than to another place and do not conceale it from me Iew Because you have so earnestly intreated me I will tell you but see you disclose it not to others for you know how they are wont to deride us when they have heard our secrets Haggada saith the Messias remaines at Rome untill he destroy it as we read concerning Moses our Law-giver who was bred up in the house of Pharoah untill at length he took vengeance of him and drowned all his people in the sea and he came not presently after hee was borne and delivered Israel but after many yeares when the Lord God gave him command then hee came and said to Pharaoh Thus saith the Lord let my people goe that they may serve me So the Messias when the fulnesse of time is come shall come to the Pope by the command of God and shall say to him let my people go that they may serve me then I say the Messias shall be said to have come and till that time he is not said to be come But neither is the Messias called as David the King was not King or anointed the same day wherin he was borne but after that Samuel had anointed him by the commandement of God then was hee anointed King So when Elias hath anointed the Messias by the commandement of God then shal he be the Messias and shall come these things are out of Haggada Christian You tell me strange things but all your words seem to be more like a lie than truth for the Prophets of the Lord have

for for ever sometimes for a long time and sometimes for a short time as it is in that place thy name shall no more be called Iacob but Israel shall be thy name and yet a little after in the same place he is thrice called Iacob So in the book of Samuell it is said the Philistines came no more into the bounds of Israel who neverthelesse came into the land of Israel after the death of Samuell So it is said here there shall be war no more that is there shall not be war at that time when the Messias shall come and shal be born as it was in the time of Augustus the Emperour when our Christ was born in great peace that men then might have broke and turned their swords into plow-shares and their spears into pruning hooks if they would for that manner of speaking is used by the Prophets Iew The fourth is also expressed by the Prophets That the wolfe and the lamb shall feed together and the lyon shall eat straw like the oxe and the suckling child shall play upon the whole of the aspe but these creatures are now hurtfull from the daies of old Christian I will answer you presently concerning this prophecy Iew The fifth is this the land of Sodome shall bee rebuilt as it was from the beginning seeing it is thus written And I will bring back the captivity of Edom and his villages For from the beginning the waters of Sodom were sweet and watering the Land as it is written And Lot lifted up his eies and saw all the plaine of Iordan which was watered every where But now to this day those waters are dryed up and salt Behold all these consolations we yet expect shal be God grant that they may come speedily in our daies Amen Selah Christian We have far digrest from our first discourse when we began to speak of the war of Gog and Magog Now therefore tell me what shall bee after that war Iew In those daies all men shall bee busied in wisedome to know the Lord as it is written The earth shall bee filled with the knowledge of the Lord Then that which Ieremie saith shall be fulfilled A voice of joy and a voice of gladnesse shall be and all shall say confesse to the Lord of Hosts because the Lord is good for his mercy endureth for ever and they shall bring an oblation for thanksgiving into the house of the Lord He doth not say they shall bring an oblation for sinne and for iniquity because in that time wicked men and sinners shall not bee among them but all shal know the Lord Hence it is that our Rabbies have said all oblations shall be made void in the last times except the oblation of thanksgiving Moreover in those daies they shall say no more the fathers have eaten sowre grapes and the childrens teeth are set on edge because then sinners shall bee cut off neither those that sin at that time shall commit any great sin then the people shall know that GOD is King over all neither is there another besides him and they shall come to Ierusalem to learn the judgements of God and his lawes even as he saith come and let us goe up to the mount of the Lord to the house of the God of Iacob and he will teach us his waies and we will walke in his paths for the Law shall goe forth from Zion and the word of the Lord from Ierusalem He shall judge among the Nations and shall rebuke many people and they shall beat their swords into plow-shares and their speares into pruning hooks The Prophet speaks here of the Messias for if war shall be raised among the Gentiles or questions arise they shall come to judgement before the King Messias who shall be Lord of all the people and hee shall reprove them and shall say to him who shall be found guilty amend those faults which thou hast done against him who hath called thee to judgement And for this cause there shall not be war against people and people because the King Messias shall pacifie them neither shall they need instruments of warre but shall break them to make of them instruments of husbandry In that day the Lord shall bee exalted alone who shall cast out Idols universally And although Idols have ceased already among some people yet some are found in the East who worship Idols likewise they are truly counted among worshippers of Idols who bend their knees and make images But in the daies of the Messias Idols shall be wholly rooted out Christian At this day and from many yeares there are not neither have been idols in the world as I said above but all Nations worship one God neither do we Christians adore and worship images as you Iewes think neither doe we beleeve that any power is in images that they can bring us any help but some among us who professe themselves to bee Christians doe adore and worship our Christ before images as your fathers also formerly in the first house did adore and worship God before the Arke of the Sanctuary But let us leave these things or reserve them to another time for I desire to heare something from you concerning beasts which shall be in the time of your Messias Iew Concerning beasts you have it thus written The wolfe shall dwell with the lamb and the leopard shall lie down with the kid and the calfe and the young lion and the fatling together and a little child shall lead them and the cow and the beare shall feed their young ones shall lie downe together and the lyon shall eat straw like the oxe and the sucking child shall play on the hole of the aspes and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice den They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountaine for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea Here are some sayings that in the daies of the Messias the natures of living creatures and beasts shall be changed and they shall be as they were at the beginning of the creation and as in the Arke of Noah For if in the beginning of the creation a lyon had devoured a sheep one kinde of the creation had perished Christian What therefore did the lyon and other devouring creatures eat then who now eat flesh Iew I say if the lyon had eat the flesh of any beast the world had been deprived of that creature forsomuch as all creatures first were created in each sex male and female and no more neither could the devouring creatures sustain hunger until cattel which might be devoured had brought forth other individuals for the preservation of their kind therefore it was necessary that in the meane while they should eat the grass of the field untill devourable cattell were bred and brought forth then and after that their nature began