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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A56283	A true and full account of a conference held about religion, between Dr. Tenison and A. Pulton, one of the masters in the Savoy	Pulton, A. (Andrew), 1654-1710.	1687 (1687)	Wing P4209; ESTC R7867	12,444	24

Church and desired to know if the Dr. would stand to that Plea and be Judged by the Greeks If so A. P. would demonstrate to him That all the Opinions or at least the Chief which the Church of England holds in Opposition to the Roman Catholicks were Condemn'd and Anathematiz'd by Two Great Councels called in the East for that purpose since the pretended Reformation Here the Dr. said the Greek-Church had been Corrupted by our Missions which is far from being so they having been always of the same Judgement in those matters 10. Then he Appeal'd to the Bohemians A. P. asked Whether he would be Judged by them If so he wou'd sind how although agreeing in some Points not material yet in the Substance they much Dissented from the late Reformers who descended no more from the Romans than the Bohemians from the Apostles 11. Here the Dr. against A. P.'s will importun'd Mr. M. to come from the Window and sit by him beginning a private Conference with him which lasted some time A. P. not being able to obtain of the Dr. a Prosecution of the Question in debate the Dr. called for a Bible which when he would have opened I know not on what occasion A. P. said it was the Question in hand to prove that Book to be the Word of God Then he called for a Greek Testament and asked A. P. if he at least would allow of the Greek Edition A. P. reply'd he allow'd of it but from his hands could receive neither tho one nor the other unless he made it out better than he had done yet that it was the Pure Word of God. The standers by seeing A. P. reject the Greek Testament gave a little shout as tho' he understood it not but A. P. would have shewn himself a sufficient Master of that Language had he not been resolv'd to give no occasion of diverting the Discourse from the main Point 12. Continuing therefore to urge the Dr. for a positive Answer he said in the end This Discourse whereby he call'd the Authority of Holy Scripture in Question tended to Atheism A. P. granted his Position and said it was true in their Principles who having taken all Infallible Authority from the Church there remain'd none for Holy Writ which was left to each Man's fancy to receive reject or interpret at discretion and urged the Dr. very pressingly to assign One Body of Christians which ever had held positively and negatively as the Church of England does And said moreover That if the Church of England were the True Church she must derive her Succession from the Apostles to that the Dr. Answer'd He must have a Library of 10000 l. worth of Books of shew it A. P. reply'd he believ'd it and added That had he 100000 l. worth he wou'd never make it out Here the Gentleman mentioned above in the second place putting his hand into his Pocket and taking out a little Volume said he would shew the Succession of the Roman Catholick Church at a much easier rate 13. Here A. P. was over-seen in letting the Dr. slip to a new Question upon the occasion of the Succession Where the Dr. deny'd that St. Peter had ever been had Rome to which A. P. reply'd That Calvin himself upon account of the general Tradition thereof granted that Peter had been put to Death at Rome tho' he allow'd not of his sitting there 25 years And although A. P. said it was nothing necessary for the Truth of our Succession that St. Peter should have resided rather at Rome than Antioch If the Dr. pleas'd he would make out to him how according to true Chronology he might have resided there 25 years and produced his Remarks relating to that Subject and asked the Dr. who had Planted the Christian Faith at Rome of which St. Paul speaks in the First Epistle to the Romans whereas it is certain St. Paul had never yet been there nor any other Apostle except St. Peter But the Dr. seeing A. P. forward to prove the Point passed to the Question of Transubstantiation and the Real Presence 14. A. P. seeing there was no Answer to be got to the main Question that he might not seem to decline a particular Controversy though he said That was far from the purpose intended yet he would yield to the Dr. and accept thereof Consequently to which he demanded who the Dr. would be Judged by in this matter He answer'd by the Universal Church A. P. demanded whether by the Universal Church now extant or that of the Four First Centuries If that of the Church now in Being he had at least Five to One against him But he reply'd That his Appeal was to the Four First Centuries Then A. P. desired all present to take notice that the Dr. would be Judged by the Testimonies of the Four First Centuries 15. Here mention was made I know not on what occasion of the Council of Lateran relating to the Real Presence when the Dr. asked abruptly what Pope had presided at that Council which not occurring to A. P. the Dr. was pleased to say he saw A. P. was a Man of no Reading to which A. P. reply'd The Dr. was under a mistake that he had Read all the Ecclesiastical History and had Volumes of Notes relating thereunto He added moreover That it imported nothing who it was presided that it was the great Council of Lateran where were Assembled near a Thousand Bishops Prelates and Abbots besides a very great number of Divines the Legates of the Kings of England Jerusalem Cyprus to say nothing of Neighbouring Princes The Dr. mistaken much more grosly than A. P. in Point of History deny'd That there were any from England or that the Four Patriarchs were there so much as by their Legates 16. Here A. P. perceiving the Dr. to begin to wander from the Question as it had been stated produced a Book which contain'd several Testimonies of Holy Fathers as also a Paper in English for the satisfaction of the standers by having moreover another Book in his Pocket relating thereunto Here the Dr. complain'd he had hard measure that he was come unprovided and excepting against Authorities cited out of Authors not at hand said let us take a Coach and go to a Library A. P. answer'd he was content But not to disappoint the Company he desired he would be pleased to hear the Quotations he had as he believed very exactly Quoted and asking of the Dr. whom he would be pleased to hear first naming several The Dr. desired to hear St. Ambrose whereupon A. P. read one of his 4th Book 4th Chap. De Sacramentis tu forte dicis meus Panisest usitatus Sed Panis iste Panisest ante Verba Sacramentorum ubi accesserit Consecratio ex Pane fit Caro Christi Hoc igitur astruamus Quomodo potest qui Panis est Corpus esse Christi Consecratione Which for the satisfaction of the Hearers A. P. read so in English You say perchance mine is

usual Bread But that Bread is Bread before the Words of the Sacraments but the Words of Consecration being pronounc'd of Bread it becomes the Flesh of Christ c. 17. Here the Dr. as tho' he had gain'd a great Victory calling for Pen and Ink made some Remarks upon the Authority Quoted and then urged A. P. to set his hand to it A. P. desired the Dr. to have a little patience and promised that when the Dr. should have heard his whole Evidence he would Sign it But the Dr. reply'd he would hear no more that A. P. was a Falcifier that he who would quote one false Text ought not to be credited in another A. P. answered It would be no easie matter to prove that the Work quoted was not of St. Ambrose But if the Dr. doubted thereof he was content to lay no stress upon that Authority and desired him to hear another of the same Author to the very same intent out of an unquestionable Work But he absolutely refused to hear any more and importuned A. P. by himself and some Women present to Subscribe so that A. P. for the space of three quarters of an hour could not obtain the favour of being heard in order to his further Evidence while the Dr. rambled through several impertinent Discourses and amongst other things falling upon Luther recounted I know not what Story of some Priest at Rome who pronouncing the words of Consecation was heard to say Bread thou art and Bread thou shalt be Wine thou art c. and offering at another long passage out of Luther's Books A. P. desired the Dr. not to trifle away the time with idle Stories saying That little credit was to be given to Luther who in his own Works had left written many Dialogues which he had with the Devil and acknowledges that he left off saying of Mass purely upon the Devils persuasion And then A. P. urged that it was not likely if Luther had been of a false Belief the Devil would be zealous to put him into a true One being the Father of Lyes 18. A. P. labour'd in vain to reduce the Dr. from his rambling Discourses and press'd that he might go on in citing his Authorities offering at least 20 times to read one out of Justinus in his Apology to Antoninus Pius which the Dr. being somewhat spent with perpetual talking was oblig'd to hear as follows That Food over which Thanks are given by Prayers in his own to wit Christ's words and whereby our Blood and Flesh are by a change nourished is the Flesh and Blood of the Incarnate JESUS To which the Dr. Answer'd That Text made nothing for Transubstantiation A. P. reply'd It did at least for the Real Presence and he would produce other places which also should prove Transubstantiation The Dr. said he believ'd the Real Presence that is reply'd A. P. you believe the Body and Blood of our Blessed Saviour to be truly and really in the Sacrament of the Altar To which the Dr. answered he would not declare what he held in that matter And thence forward would never be induced to hear a title more relating to a further proof of the matter in debate But press'd ever and anon A. P. to subscribe A. P. being in a little heat at so unreasonable proceedings struck the Table with his hand as on the like occasions he had done twice before saying the Dr. believ'd certainly he had a Fool to deal with the Dr. reply'd he would not come under his Ferula to which A. P. answered it was usual to him in Schools to knock the Pulpit though he had never given Ferula in his life Then he offer'd to read a Text of St. Irenaeus making for Transubstantiation But the Dr. said he had heard enough and the Mistress of the House offering A. P. the Dr's Paper press'd him to Sign it 19. Vpon this occasion A. P. instanced as follows Should I said he present my self at a publick Court of Justice and having 30 Witnesses to produce the first of which being heard and some exceptions taken though perhaps unreasonably at his Evidence Would not that be an unequitable Judge who on that occasion should refuse to hear any more and summing up that single Evidence should require it should be sign'd To which the Doctor answered that A. P. knew well enough simile's had little force to prove any thing A. P. reply'd The Dr. had us'd many much less pertiment altho' this was not so much a smile as his very Case The Holy Fathers being his Witnesses And presently after the Dr. giving a reason why he would hear no more made the following comparison very improperly Should one said he come to pay me 20 l. and the first half Crown which he told out prove naught I would suspect all the rest Whereupon Mr. M. told the Dr. He would make use of his own similitude and therefore ask'd him Whether if one coming to pay him such a sum and he disliking one of the half Crowns he would refuse to receive the Money though the Pay-master should offer another piece instead of that which he dislik'd 20. Here the Dr. forgetful that he had appeal'd to the Holy Fathers said He did not much value what they said and that many of them had fallen into several Errours in other matters and why not in this To which A. P. reply'd That altho' one or two might have err'd in their private judgements yet that in which all or at least much the greater part unanimously agreed had ever been esteem'd the Sentiment of the whole Church The Dr. having Scripture in his hand and A. P. having on some past occasion cited that of our Blessed Saviour He that hears not the Church let him be unto you as a Heathen and a Publican The Dr. ask'd A. P. What Verse that was A. P. answer'd That was not to the purpose if the Dr. allow'd it to be true Scripture and desir'd the Dr. to tell him where it was But he did not At last turning from place to place he found it and then endeavour'd to shew how that Text related to a private debate and had no relation to any matter of Faith Here A. P. complain'd again that all this was impertinent to the question in debate although he said It was usual on particular occasions to make a general Law. 21. Here the Gentleman mention'd above in the second place Desir'd he might say something relating to the said Text But A. P. desir'd the Dr. might have no occasion of complaining there were more than one to encounter with him Though on the Dr. 's side the School-master mention'd above was constantly throwing in some Quaerie or other either to divert A. P. or to entertain the Hearers But as A. P. took little notice of what he said there so he has not much concern'd himself to relate here what he there impertinently insinuated 22. Here the Company breaking into different Parties and A. P. seeing no satisfaction