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A70289	A short answer to a book called The fanatick history published with the approbation of divers orthodox divines (so called) and dedicated to the king by Richard Blome (against the Quakers) : which being examined and tried, is found to be a packet of old lies, many of which was seven years since presented to the Little Parliament, and since to other parliaments and protectors, which by us was answered and confuted in the year 1653 many other lies and false reports is gathered up since by them, which herein is answered and disproved : and herein also is a short relation of the twelve changes of governments which have bin in this nation in those eight years, under all of which we have suffered and been persecuted for that truth, which we yet stand witnesses for, against all its opposers / Richard Hubberthorne ; James Nayler.	Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.; Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.	1660 (1660)	Wing H3232; ESTC R6755	22,690	31

ANSWER To a Book called the Fanatick History Published with the Approbation of divers Orthodox Divines so called and Dedicated to the King by RICHARD BLOME Against the QUAKERS· WHICH Being Examined and Tried is found to be a Packet of Old Lies many of which was seven years since presented to the Little Parliament and since to other Parliaments and Protectors which by us was Answered and Confuted in the Year 1653. many other Lies and false Reports is gathered up since by them which herein is Answered and Disproved And herein also is a short Relation of the twelve changes of Governments which have bin in this Nation in those eight yeares under all of which we have suffered and been persecuted for that Truth which we yet stand Witnesses for against all its Opposers Richard Hubberthorne James Nayler Oh England In thee are men that carry tales to shed blood and in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression with the stranger In thee have they vexed the fatherlesse and the W●dow In thee have they taken gi●●● t● shed blood Ezek. 22. London Printed for Giles Calvert at the Black-Spread-Eagle at the West-end of Pauls 1660. In Answer to the Epistle directed to KING CHARLES FRIEND THou seems to dedicate thy book of false accusations to King Charles and would put it upon him as matter of his duty to be patron thereof but it is a wisdom in all men but especially in Rulers to know what they Father or take upon them to defend in this day when the old lier and murderer is at work in the earth seeking and creeping into every severall government to stir them up that are in present power by false accusations to persecute Gods innocent people yea what power hath risen in this age of men which have not been by flattering titles tempted hereunto and also overcome by a sort of teachers and people which are not children of peace nor have wrought peace in these nations or the rulers thereof but bloud falls and overturnings and if King Charles look to be established in peace and truth and Righteousness which is the anointing of God then he must not patronize lyes Prov. 20.12 Not countenance wickedness and envy which is the substance of thy book which thou wouldst have defended and against a harmless people whom thou wouldst have him suddainly to restrain and that under pretence of defending Christs faith But friend to restrain people from following the light of Christ in their consciences and his truth in their inward parts is not to defend his faith which faith is a mistery and held in a pure conscience And they that follow the Lamb are led by his spirit and truth in their inward parts and this the eternall God of Heaven and Earth requires and seeks such to worship him and this to restrain is not the Kings safety nor the work of his sword nor are you the friends of his establishment in Gods peace who would put him upon it to please your bloudy spirits But to restrain open ●rofainness and to be a terrour to evill doers and to preserve people from the fist of wickedness and to d●liver the poor and helpless from him that is too strong for him and to bring judgement into the gates and make it free for all sorts of people without respect of persons or opinions that the ●vil doer may be punished and the well doer encouraged in every corner of the nations that when God c●me to enquire for innocent blood or oppression it may not be found nor violence in the land This is that which God looks for at the hands of Kings and Rulers that they bear not the sword in vain and this you cry not for by which his authority maybe owned of God subjected for conscience sake but you would have that in the conscience strifled and restrained and then what is all obedi●nce worth towards God or men or Rulers but to follow any thing that is set up and be true in heart to nought and many such spirits will be found in this nation if ever King Charl●s stand in need to prove them further then by flattery and self e●as as those have f●und that was before him And whether it will be his wisdom to fall upon the tender Lambs of Christ and seek to restr●in th●m from following their leader and so procure his wrath for pleasing these spirits let the wise in heart judge who have duly observed Gods appearance towards such a work all along in this age And whereas thy complaint is that if his Majesty put not forth his Royall hand and power to restrain us we are so seducing that in a little time we wil defuse our poyson over the better part of his kingd●m for nought but a Royal Authority can stifle it I say then what is become of your spiritual weapons have not your teachers told people of the str●ngth of truth and the power of godlin●ss have you lost both may wisd●m say and run you now to the arm of flesh to get errors stifled as you call them or else your hope is lost and your faith fails you did ever any of Christs ministers leave their spirituall weapons to run to the arm of flesh or a carnall weapon to stop seducers I say no this they never did but with spiritual weapons they wrestled and overcame spiritual wickedness and with that cut down heresies blasphemi●s and false worships and cl●ared the Churches of Christ of them and drove them down before them in the world for none could resist the spirit by which they spoke of all the false priests and false worshipers but being put to worse they cryed as you say to rulers and people help us or all will be over run for they that turn the world upside down are come hither mind your cry and then the rude multitude run as heaps upon them and made tumults often and fell upon them with staves and fists assaulted the houses that entertained them as yours do and so haled them before rulers who take their part herein and put them in prisons and often whipt them unless it were some that were so noble as not to heed the cry of their multitudes but would hear their cause and give leave to speak before they would sentence them that was accused and this was the nobility of heathen Kings and rulers and do not you seek to make Englands Rulers worse least heathens rise up in the day of judgement against them who are called christians and condemn them And in this your cry for help against so contemptible a people you like silly women do but discover your weakness and worthlesness and if God open the eye of King Charles he will see it what have you pr●●ched and wrestled your selves out of all hope and saith that either suddain help from him or all is lost and overrun Surely it may be said you have been

bad watchmen and idle shepheards who have lost all if suddain help come not from another hand now if some had come against you with carnal weapons then had you had some excuse in crying to the earthly powers but in ●hat nothing but spirit comes against spirit and yet hath lost the day this doth clearly manif●st the power of God you have not in you but have lost the kingdom of the most high and so are become unreasonable men who would have two weapons against one and another to do your work and yet are unwilling to forego your wages yea this advantage you have had divers years but have not prevailed therewith And whereas then sayst thy book is of great consequ●nce an●●o then presum●s to make King Charles the patron of it and th●n ask●s pardon for thy presumption when thou hast don● I say so thou hast n●ed the substance of thy bo●k being made up of false acc●●ations gathered up out of books formerly written against us which have been disproved by answers several times over and to these thou hast added som few accusations as false as the old and spied out the failings of som few who have mourned before God that ever they should give occasion to the enemy of God so to blaspheme And many things which was done and spoken by others who are not of us nor ever was and of this is thy book made up as any may see who reads it and our severall Answers to the charges therein many of them of severall years standing against these false accusations which have most of them been printed over and over and presented to the former powers that have risen and as oft Answered so there needed no more to be said then hath been were it not for the sakes of some who may yet be strangers to your way of dealing towards us under every power that hath been now discretion will say that to make another man the father of such a work to which he is a stranger but especially a King is presumption indeed rashness and folly and needs a pardon And whereas you now say that none but a Royall Authority can stifle It s true you have tryed Parliaments and Protectors as you called them and Parliaments again and to make them then work for you your Priests used these arguments to them to wit that in the late wars they had exposed lives liberties estates and relations with all personall advantages in maintaining the just proceedings of Parliament and from them you then claimed our stiflings as the price of your p●ayers purses hazards losses banishment and blood as may be read in thy Westmoreland petition against us which thou hast printed in Page 197. and 198. And was not this power that which you then called the common enemy in the same petition Page 200. Which you now cry too and would put him upon that work against us now as defender of your faith c. Ah! faithless generation you have been to God and man may you not shame with this work to print it and send it to King Charles and call him to defend it and patronize it how hath envy bereaved you of your reasonable senses shall he who defends this defend either faith or truth but this is that you may cover your selves with your shame and envy that both King and people and Parliaments may see what a generation you are that will run under any power to get your bloody ends but indeed true to none for if it was true that you was so faithful to that Parliament with your prayers purses and blood as there you plead then is your faith but new which now you would have defended but if not true then how great deceivers and how little to be trusted or defended in your crueldesignes The King that faithfully judges the poor his throne shall be established for ever But if a ruler hearken to lyes all his servants are wicked Prov. 29.12.14 And to thee who hath set forth this book of mischief I say with the Soripture Lay not wait O wicked man against the dwelling of the Righteous spoil not his resting place f●r a just man falleth seven times and riseth up again but the wicked falls into mischief Prov. 24.15 16. J. N. THe day is come that the Scripture is fullfilled which the Lord spake by his Prophet Isaiah●4 25 That he will make the Diviners mad and that they shall every one be ashamed of his Vision Zack 13.4 Micah 6.7 the which doth now evidently appear and their Folly is made manifest unto all that will see and behold it according to 2 Tim. 3.9 And is not this manifest Madnesse and Folly in them called Orthodox and Divines to present unto the King their Packet of lyes which have been seven years told over and so long since disproved and confuted as may be seen in a Book called Sauls Errand c. Printed in the year 1654. and in several other Books since It already hath been and i● now manifest unto all men of sober understandings that these men falsly called Orthodox and Divines have had no defence either to vindicate themselves or disprove the people called Quakers but this refuge of lyes which they first presented to the Parliament sitting in 52. likewise to all other Parliaments which have been since that time and to the two Protectors and now to this present King i● directed and you presumptuously charge him to be the Patron to it requiring him to defend those lyes which you falsly call the Faith But this we know according as it is written Prov. 29.12 19. that If a Ruler hearken to lies all his Servants are wicked but a wise King scattereth the wicked and bringeth the Wheel over them These pretended Divines are such as have bowed and crowched under every appearance of a power by Flatteries seem to cleave unto them that they might uphold maintain and satisfie their God which is their Bellies these were of them which said that Oliver Cromwell was the light of their Eyes and the breath of their Nostrils so that now with shame they might rather confesse that they are blind and dead from the light and life of God than to multiply lyes in their accustomed manner as formerly These also were of them that said Oliver Cromwell was Moses who had led them into a fight of the good Land and that Richard his Son was Joshua which should lead them into the Possession but we with many more do see that their Ho●e is false and their Faith also proved vai● and that they are not yet in the Land of Promise for there no lyars comes And those former Rulers hearkening to their lyes was decei●●d by them which was the cause of Gods Judgements and an utter destruction coming upon them which while they put into the Priests Mouths they cryed peace unto them calling them Moses Aaron and Joshua but when they ceased and could not put into their Mouths then cryed out

us and all the living whom he hath quicked with his appearance than the reading of the letter was or is to them who are without him being dead in their sinnes and reprobate in their understandings through the darkness of their hearts reading the Scriptures without the Spirit that gave them forth and this may answer thy accusation of George Whitehead and the question that was asked him And for thy seeking to make us as the Papists First in that the Pope to them is an Infallible Judge Secondly Written traditions equal to the written word We answer What is that to us who deny both the Pope his infallibility and his traditions they are none of them binding unto us look you to that who have the remainder of that Idolatry yet upon you in several things which might be instanced But blind man what a Comparison is this of thine Is it become an offence to say the Spirit of Christ is infallible and to confesse him come who leads into all truth Are we Papists in thy account for this You have too long made people follow you while you have been without that Spirit and little else have you to teach people but traditions who have not the Infallible Spirit to lead you in your worships and doctrine And so thy accusation I return upon thy own head And we can say no lesse of the Spirit of Truth and his word at this day than the holy Men of God have ever done in whom he hath appeared to wit that he is the same and his power the same and his word the same which liveth for ever and by which we now are armed and strengthned to withstand as great wickednesse and enlightened to see as great deceit in Teachers and people at this day we have cause to believe as ever appeared in the World from which we could not be delivered by our own wisdom reading or hearing of the letter till God sent the Spirit of Truth in the name of Jesus into us to enlighten our understanding in the Scriptures and against all spiritual wickednesse and deceitfull worships to quicken us with his power so to us he is the power and to him is the glory and the confession who liveth for ever and his dayes waxeth not old nor his voice feeble nor his arm short because many generations passe away before him and this is he that was before the letter who can work without the letter or with it and this is he whom men that know not have often opposed at his coming and have been broken for it though they professed the letter and this may answer thy accusation of George Fox or any other who have spoken any thing in the honor of his Appearance the power of his world or the danger of them that oppose it in this his day as well as formerly though we boast not of the fullnesse of our measure herein that is but thy accusation And for thy accusation that we deny the Personal body of Christ His coming in the Clouds to Judgement The visible Church And thy saying we are against Scriptures and against Ordinances against Sabbaths taking no notice of the moralitie of the fourth Commandement That we say the Doctrine of Original Corruption is a Soul-destroying God-blaspheming Doctrine That we are against Justification and Religiou● Education c. These are but thy false accusations not our Judgement nor our words but thou hast gathered the false accusations of the Priest● of New-Castle and other slanderous Spirits and this is the ground proof and foundation of thy Charge which hath been several times answered over-turned in the first rising of them as may be seen in the Answers to The perfect Pharisee and Sauls Errand and in a Book called The Pits mouth stopt by Fran. Howgill and several other Books to be seen in which your Folly is made manifest and what we own which is according to Scripture and what we deny which is your traditions and false worships never set up by God nor practised by his people to which Books we refer the Reader for full satisfaction herein And also in a book called Love to the Last by J. N. wherein these things are plainly spoken of And thou stumbles at the light as all the children of darkness must do And thou sayes we are strangely confused and know not well how to distinguish c. We say the confusion is in thy self and thy dark minde and not in us we stumble not who walk in light but all that walk in darknesse and hates the light must needs stumble as thou dost but to us is the light known and him that dwells in it to whom no mortal eye can approach blessed for ever and this is our all and the Nations of them that are saved must walk in it the power that we have in it we know the want we have had without it we know so we speak glorious things of the light and preach it before all its enemies without amazement for therein is the arm of God revealed mighty to save though many cannot receive our report but hates it because their deeds are evil as thou dost who calls it a natural Conscience and then saies we find Christ called the light and of him said that he lighteth every one that cometh into the world Is not here the Confusion and Jumble thou tells on in thy own dark old Bottle who cannot retain his Testimony but calls the light of Christ natural who thy self art the natural man that receives not the things of the spirit of God now the testimony that the Scriptures gives of him who is the light of the world whom we make our all as thou saiest And for that of perfection Thou charges us for saying that those that have received Christ and God are come to perfection and that all such as are in Christ are without sin To which we say yea he that comes to God and Christ comes to perfection and to him that is able to save from sin to the uttermost and he that abides in Christ sins not as saith the Scritures Heb. 7.25 1 John 3.6 and this perfection is in Christ and not of our selves and so is this freedom also and to him it is given and confessed and not to flesh and blood nor any carnal appearance But what seed art thou of to whom perfection and sanctification is so offensiv● which Christ and his Ministers commanded and preached And as to discerning Thou accuseth us for saying That the Saints by the Spirit that is in them can judge mens hearts and that such judging is Christs judging of them and that Christ shall judge no where but in the Saints and for this accusation thou quotes Naylors Answer to Pendarvis Wherein thou wrongs Naylor for he doth not say that Christ shall judge no where but in the Saints nor that People may judge mens hearts by every Spirit that is in them but this we say that the Spirit of