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A54506 The dialogue betwixt Cit and Bumpkin answered in another betwixt Tom the Cheshire piper, and Captain Crackbrains dedicated to Right Worshipful the Mayor of Quinborough. E. P. 1680 (1680) Wing P17; ESTC R5521 23,355 40

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none was ever yet so impudent to assert in terms what he makes his Cit to do and truly I do believe he is of the Cit's Opinion that a thing may be sin in one which is not in another for lying though it be a sin in most men is not so in him as he thinks he otherways would not have so much used it Capt. How came you Tom Piper to be such a distinguisher I did not expect it from you Tom. My Mother was a Parsons Daughter had little to her Portion but a few Books and Sermon Notes of her Fathers which I used to read at spare times to the Neighbourhood and so became thus skilful Capt. Well what think you of his clawing the Rogues off for their old Rebellion is 't not manly and brave Tom. It is a thing that has been said a thousand times when it was so but now it looks like breaking the Act of Oblivion a thing that his Majesty to his Immortal Honour holds sacred such a little Rat as he methinks should not be nibling when the Lyon is unconcerned Capt. Cit and Bumkin drunk and why may not we within then two Pots and shut the door after you But what thinkst thou Tom to page 26. is it not an excellent facetious discourse displaying Villalany in its proper colours Tom. It is rather a teaching people how to be Villains like your fashionable Plays teach more sins than they reprove Capt. My Cousin cannot I see get your good word but I 'll make you Friends Tom. As how Capt. You 'l Pipe at his Wifes next Churching and then I 'm sure the half Guinney and the Frumenty will please you Tom. Let it alone till then but in the mean time I 'll give a short account of my Sentiments of those ten Pages Capt. Let 's have it then Tom. He begins with comparing Presbyterians and Jesuites a thing now that is trite and thred-bare there is a Book called Lysimachus Nicanor that has done it more to the purpose writ near forty years agone but yet in his rails upon the later he speaks Ironically of the Plot when he calls the Jesuits the Heads of it upon the King c. as a man must needs conclude that reads the whole discourse especially if that Author had any intelligence or correspondence with the Author of the Further Discovery dedicated to Dr. Titus Oates and that flourish might have been as decently saved besides his Pen too much resembles a Cleaver cuts only one way as a man may easily observe by his constant pinching upon that party for the 1641. business a thing that none of them has the face now publickly to justifie and his passing by the Rebellion of Ireland accompanied with the murder of nigh a million of Protestants without the least Reflection though that Villany be yet justified or at least not owned to be so by that Party as it was at first abetted by the Pope and then after all as if he would make himself compleatly wicked he scandalizes the Protestant Religion which the late King of blessed Memory own'd that he fought for as may be seen yet by his Declarations and the Inscription upon his Coyns stampt at the beginning of the late Rebellion for by that is meant as he makes his Citizen say the Religion of the Dissenters from the Church a distinction that the late blessed Martyr would not have thanked him for Capt. I perceive you are very poynant upon my Friend still but go on Tom. Then he goes on with teaching a method of Villany which he would call discovering to inflame the Nation and widen the Breaches betwixt the King and his People for why else should he amongst other things lay such a stress upon the Kings being one of the three Estates and make such damn'd inferences a thing decried by all sober men because declared otherwise in the Preambles of several Acts of Parliament and yet the good King in a Message to the two Houses owned three Estates when the Bishops were by Act removed of which by consequence he must be one but that may be look'd upon considering the novelty of that disposition to be a lapse in the Secretary and so no weight to be laid upon it I refer you to the Declaration bearing date from York June 13. 1642. Then he falls upon the light and foolish antick Gestures of the Conventiclers with their fond Metaphors not worth answering because none so foolish as to adjust them then he goes on as if the Plot was only a Blind to enrage People and that there was a real Design to destroy the Hierarchy and all the Sons of the Church by the name of the Papists in Masquerade and get all the places of profit to themselves Capt. Is not that very well hinted Tom. What are you a hinter and a holder-forth so it 's well hinted of buzzing into the peoples Ears to dispose them to Rebellion of the Emperour of Morocco's landing upon Salisbury-Plain 35000 light Horse-men and a great many other Fopperies not worth taking notice on Capt. To say truth there are a great many little things in it but there must be something to fill up or else it would not come to account it would not advance from the Stationer any thing considerable Tom. But he should have studied propriety of things to have made 'em pass the better Is it not think you a well laid thing to make his Bumkin whom he represents a cunning projecting canting Knave to bring in a story by the Head and shoulders of Moses and the ten Tables and correcting himself with a thundering Oath one that he afterward makes justifying the three Estates and other intrigues of Politiques it might have passed had he laid the Scene amongst his Friends in Flanders and then saying that he had read in a Book that the Bishops in H. Eighth's time made the ten Commandements and make foolish inferences from thence too The whole thing is a lye for no man ever yet read any such thing in a Book but in his scurrilous Pamphlet the nearest to it is what Bishop Spotswood reports of the Priests in Scotland about that time That they would have made the common people believe the more to incense them against Patrick Hamilton and the Gospellers of that Age that Martin Luther and his Complices made the New Testament or at least St. Paul's Epistles but touch not mine annointed I hope the ingenious Author is too wise to make reflections of that nature But I perceive you care not what reflections you make upon my friend Tom. Your friend is unknown to me he should have set his name and then it may be he had been safer but I suppose his modesty would not permit it Capt. Well is this all you have to say Tom. There needs not I think but one word more at last he falls foul by his Cit upon Le Strange whom he calls Dog in a doublet or worse but after all he ends in a
panegyrick of his wsedome To 'em Make a noise Tom as out of a Closet Capt. I do not like this eves-dropping yet I hope I have said nothing that I need care who hears however Tom the Pudding-pie-man is a good honest fellow I have wasted some pence with him Make a noise Tom. Come Gentlemen you have been in eager discourse but I did hear the subject matter of it very well Tom. I was only making some passionate observations upon a Book twice or thrice printed called Cit and Bumkin which he undertook wholly and in every part to defend Make a noise Tom. What you Captain Crackfart turn'd Advocate must Cicero pro Milone be reacted by you with a horse pox to your Captainship How long is it since I relieved you and a thin starved thing yclipped your Boy with ten peny worth of Pudding pies when you and he had lived three days upon stewed fiddle-strings I tell thee Tom Piper how this fellow came by the doughty name of Captain he was a foot Souldier in Olivers time and upon a march stole a live Pike in an Inn out of a Pale and put it into his Breeches because he saw his Comrade had done the like to a Barbel but presently his manful roars made a discovery so he was Cashiered pretended it was for his Loyalty and from that time dubb'd himself Captain But as to the discourse I tell thee Old Souldier that if he or thou or any body that wears a head God bless the King should have call'd or shall call me by the contemptible name of Cit though I be but free of the Porters Company I would and will if ever it be any mans ill luck so to do all to be pudding-pie his Calves head What Cit Capt. How I am now like to be worried betwixt these two learned men Tom Piper and Make a noise Tom the Pudding Wright Well well but though you quarrel my friend for his names of Cit and Bumkin yet Mr Truman speaks very heavenly by the same Authors directions speak against that if you dare the best of you Make a noise T. Mr. Truman speaks truly of the Papists but not all that a true Son of the Church might have said he says in answer to the Charge that the Papists Loyalty was in their own defence being in a manner necessitated to that side that it was better if so than fighting against the King and further that no man drew his sword in the opposite cause but known Separatists and that not one Separatist struck in the Kings quarrel he might have added if he had though fit that after the King was outed not one Papist ever entred into a Plot for his Restitution but the whole truth was not his business whereas the Schismaticks as he boldly enough calls some sort of men asserted the Kings Cause in the lowest Ebb and that so bravely both by outward force and other less visible endeavours that the Kings Restitution must be ascribed to them as to the second cause which made some amends for their former devitation I tell thee Crack-brain had the King had no better friends than the Papists he had never seen the English shore again Capt. But have you read on Make a noise T. Yes and find the business about the three Estates repeated over again to no purpose wherein the learned Author has with great reputation to himself proved the Snow white Cap. But what think you of his bringing in Le strange's Epistle to the History of the Plot is not that a heeler Make a noise T. Like the rest for I have not much to say about that Gentleman either pro or con for they say he is a very pretty man at small matters but those two Authors do most harmoniously agree in driving on and fixing a worse Plot upon the Non Conformists which they both are careful to improve which is by their favour a setting up of the worship of false Gods to lessen if not to destroy the worship of the true one so whilst they would alarm the Nation with this Chymera of a Plot to be found no where but in their learned Brains the true Plot will weather off or which is worse go on Cap. I think you are as hard to please as Tom Piper I had thought you had revered Mr. Strange at another rate than to speak so indifferently of him Make a noise T. Indifferently do you call it I wonder that I or any other good Subject should do so especially when it is considered who licensed Humane Reason that Book that deserved to be burnt by the common Hangman as a great Lord said some bodies else did Cap. But did not he say then in excuse that he would license an answer to it Make a noise T. It may be so but that resolves into this that he would license any thing for the Fees of it Capt. I 'le tell him what you say and then i' faith he 'l maul you in a Ballad with nows the time as well as he hath done somebody else Tom Piper Pray Gentlemen not so fast fair and softly goes far on a day Capt. But do you hear Make a noise Tom how do you like Mr. Trumans description of the duty of Subjects and Kings Make a noise T. I shall tell you my mind as to that too for I have read the Book o'r and we Pie-men are old Dog at Politiques in this communicative age Well now as to that by multitude of questions he perplexes the Cause for if he layed down for his position this truth That in no Cases whatsoever it can be lawful for a Subject to arm against his Prince there had been then no Room for a shift but he makes his Cit ask a knavish question What if a King will transgress all the Laws of God and man may not the People resume their trust The answer is in the negative but a man might have shap'd another answer as pertinent Capt. As how Make a noise T. When God gives over Kings to be wholly led by their sensual appetites and to lay aside all manner of Justice he often suffers the People to be so too for the world is rather governed by example than Precept There are many sad examples of that kind as of Don Pedro the cruel of Castile stabb'd to death by his Bastard Brother Winceslaus King of Bohemia once imprisoned and when he had by miracle recovered his Estate grew so barbarously cruel to all ranks of men that upon Citizens of Prague rose as one man against him upon which news being in the Castle he fell into a fit of an Apoplexy and died suddenly Christiern the second of Denmark who was deposed by his Unkle Frederick And of later years Sultan Ibrahim the Great Turk who was for his outragious lusts and other extravagancies deposed and strangled in the Seragilo There is a living example of that kind Sebastian of Portugal set aside and imprisoned by his Brother who now injoys