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A47197	The way cast up, and the stumbling-blocks removed from before the feet of those who are seeking the way to Zion, with their faces thitherward containing an answere to a postcript, printed at the end of Sam Rutherford's letters, third edition, by a nameless author, indeed not without cause, considering the many lyes and falshoods therein, against the people, called Quakers, which are here disproved, and refuted / by George Keith ...	Keith, George, 1639?-1716.; Rutherford, Samuel, 1600?-1661.	1677 (1677)	Wing K233; ESTC R19568	115,272	246

guids and for such there is no remedy untill it please the Lord to open their eyes which is my earnest desire SECTION VI. 1. The Scripturs no warrant for peopls refusing converse with the People called Quakers 2. They bring no doctrin contrary to the Scripturs 3. The Author and his Brethren guilty of horrid injustice against them in condemning them whom they neither know nor their principls 4. Many of them with a blind and mad zeal refuse all means of Information 5. The Presbyterian Teachers in labouring to perswad people not to converse with us nor read our books practise that usuall policy of the Popish Church that forbids to read Protestants books or converse with them 6. Many are the more moved to read them and seek occasion of their converse 7. Finding them grossly and falsly accused 8. John Livingston his unchristian carriage to some of their profession at Rotterdam 9. The people called Quakers not Here●icks nor their principls heretical but truely C●●●sstian and Apostolick 10. Presbyterians in great confusion and contradiction in comparing some of themselvs to the greatest Prophets and yet denying Immediat Revelation and Spirit of Prophecy 11. A cowardly Spirit in many of the Presbyterian Teachers A question put to the Author of the Postscript Pag 5. ad sinem And here by the way let me set before thee the practice of that Great man of GOD Master John Livingston of whom without vanity or being judged to hold mens p●nsons in admira●ion for advantage I fear not to say that in the day he was taken up from us I knew not so great an Ambassadour for Christ left behind upon the Earth O to see some on whom this Elijah's mantle is faln as a fit patt●rn for thy in●itation c. 1. Answer The Author of the Postscript hath been giving some perswasions why People should deny all converse with the People called Quakers from the exampls of the Apostles Paul and Iohn and lastly from the example of Master Iohn Livingston as he calls him behold the Presbyterians pride that will honour one another with the title of Master whereas when they speake of the Apostles they give them no such titles but bare Iohn Paul Peter But to say Iohn Livingston and Samuel Rutherford withholding the proud title of Master which Christ did expressly forbid doth greatly offend Presbyterian ears But first I must tell the Author of the Postscript As to the exampls of Paul and John the case doth no ways meet for the people called Quakers are of the same spirit and hold the same principls and have the same life and conversation which the Christians had whom Paul and John loved and were kindly affected unto even as parents unto children They are neither like seducing Elymas a title more aggreable to this Author nor like Hymeneus and Alexander whom Paul delivered unto Satan nor have they the least affinity with such as John forbad the Disciples to receive into their house or give them a friendly salutation for such were they who brought another doctrin unto them then John preached See 2 Ep Ioh ver 10. 2. Whereas the Quakers bring no other Doctrin but the very same doctrin of Christ which Christ himself and both John and all the Apostles preached And this upon trial we are assured by the Grace of God that we can make good against this Author and all his Brethren as likewise that we can prove that he and his Brethren are the men that bring a contrary doctrin For whereas Christ preached himself to be the Light of the world and John preached him to be that true Light that lighteneth every man that cometh into the world that all through him might believe And the Apostle Iohn said This is the message that we have heard of him that God is Light and in him is no darkness at all● I● we walk in the Light as he is in the Light we ha● fellowship one with another c. The Presbyterian Teachers can not endure to hear the same doctrin preached by the Quakers and they are ready to g●ash with their very teeth at us when we preach GOD to be the LIGHT and CHRIST to be that TRUE LIGHT that inlighteneth EVERY Man that cometh into the World And both Christ and the Apostles preached God and Christ in men as wel as Christ his coming in the flesh or God made manifest in flesh in that prepared body which was crucified at Ierusalem and afterwards raised up again and glorified And this same doctrin the Quakers preach whereas the Presbyterians are no● for Christ his being in a true and real sense no not in the very Saints 3. Surely this Author and his brethren have committed an horrid injustice against the people called Quakers in condemning them whom neither he nor his brethren do know nor what principls they hold whereas they believe lyeing reports that malicious men have invented against that people and there is a mind in them that is too ready to give ear to such lyes and foment yea augment them 4. And yet I have really such charity to this man and many of his brethren that it is through ignorance that they thus condemn us and speake evil of us and therefor is their sin the more pardonable were it not that with a blind and mad zeall they refuse all means of information whereby to be instructed either what we are or what principles we hold otherwise it were impossible they could be so ignorant concerning us as really they are for thousands in this land know that we are not guilty of these horrid things which this man layeth to our charge 5. And certainly this is a great sin in them and near bordering with that sin that shall never be forgiven that they refuse to be informed of us and are willingly ignorant themselvs and seek by all means to keep people in ignorance concerning us that they may not converse with us nor read our books an usuall policy of the Popish Anti-Christian Church who cry out against all di●●enters from them as damnable Hereticks not to be conversed with nor their books to be read upon pain of the Popes curse and surely those groundless threa●● of these Presbyterian priests have as small weight with ingenuons people and their curses or excommunications we value as little as the Popes being both from one Spirit and we know the more the● curse the Lord will the more bless us as we are faithfull in our Testimony to him 6. And it is observable that the more these me● disswad people from reading our books and conversing with us many have been the more moved to read them and seek occasion of our converse who upon an impartial search have found that we have been most grossly abused and belyed by these men 7. Which hath raised in them a love to us and an indignation against those mens deceit who did so injuriously and basely traduce us and thus also by degrees their understandings have been opened

4. Now this gate blessed be the Name of the Lord and to his eternall praise we can declare it many thousands in this day do know and by it they find Christ and do enjoy his living presence dayly who is the bridegroome and husband of their souls and this gate is to wait upon him in the shinings of his divine Light in their hearts being retired and gathered unto the same out of all their own thoughts words and works all their own willings and runnings in the self-will all selfish motions desires and inclinations of self in pure silence and stillness of mind waiting to feel his heavenly breathings and movings which do rai●e up in us the true desire and prayer that we may find him and enjoy him and as we have sought him by this gate or after this manner we have never missed in some measure more or less to find him 5. This silent waiting to enjoy the presence of the Lord is a mystery and as a sealed book to Professors generally and seemes to have been little or nothing known to this great Seer as the Author of the Postscript doth call him for I find nothing of it in his Epistles and yet it is one of the most needfull and most profitable lessons and instructions for people to be instructed in and the Scripturs Testimony is plain and clear concerning it even of silent waiting Lament cap. 3. 26 27 28. It is good that a man should both hope and quietly or in silence wait for the salvation of the Lord. It is good for a man ●hat he beare the yoke in his youth he sitteth alone and keepeth silence because he hath borne it upon him Psal. 46. 10. Be still or silent and know that I am God Psal. 62. 1. Truly my soul is silent unto God from him cometh my salvation Eccles. 5. 2. Be not 〈◊〉 with thy mouth and let not thine heart be hasty 〈◊〉 utter any thing before the Lord. Zach. 2. 3. Be si●ent O all flesh before the Lord. And many more ●cripturs may be brought to prove this so needfull and profitable instruction As also here are manifest ●xamples of this silent waiting in Scripture both together and apart Ezekiell 3 15. The Prophet 〈◊〉 with them of the captivity seven dayes and then 〈◊〉 Word of the Lord came unto him And Esdras sat silent with the people untill the evening sacrifice Esdra 9 3 4 5. And the Prophet Elijah sat in a si●ent posture alone upon the top of mount Carmell waiting for the Word of the Lord and the accomplishment thereof casting himself downe upon the earth and putting his face betwixt his knees King 18 42. This is such a posture that if a man should use it in our dayes people would say he were mad or possessed with the Devill such is their ignorance of the way and work of God And again 1 King 19. verse 2. The Lord appeared unto Elijah neither in the wind nor earth-Quake nor fire but in the still or silent small voice to wit that is heard in the stillness or silence of the Soul 6. There is one particular more that I find in S. R. that I cannot omit to take notice of in the same epistle 46. which I have above mentioned either I know not saith he what Christianity is or we have stinted a measure of so many o●nce weights and no more upon holynes and there we are at a stay It were good for the Professors to consider this and be convinced of their error whereas they say the holyest Man on earth doth sin dayly in thought word and deed yea every moment and cannot but sin continually Is not this to stint a measure of so many ounce weights or rather of a few grains upon holyness yea altogether to annihilate it For I know not how that can be called holyness which cannot keep the soul one moment from sinning However S. R. although here convinced of this errour yet afterwards did fall foully into it when he joyned with the divines so called at Westmunster in that unchristian assertion that no man by any grace given of God can perfectly keep the commandements of God but doth dayly break them in thought word deed This is a bold presumptuons stinting limiting the power and powerfull grace of God in the hearts of his children without all ground from Scripture yea contrary to it which saith his commandements are not grievous and his yoke is easy and his burden Light 7. Moreover in my fourth Section I referred to some thing related by the Author of The fullfilling of the Scripturs concerning Iohn Welsh Robert Bruce and some others in those dayes which I said will not a little make for the present Testimony of the people cald Quakers Now for proof of this I shall give a few instances out of many more which may be brought out of the said book 8. First The said Author telleth us pag. 416. 2 edition of a very solemne and extraordinary outletting of the Spirit in the West of Scotland about the year 1625. and there after which began in the parish of Stewarton whiles the persecution was hat from the Prelatick party 9. Which by the prophane Rabble of that time was called the Stewarton Sickness and spread through much of that countrey particularly at Irvin through the Ministry of David Dickson of which he writes that few Sabbaths meaning first dayes did passe without some evidently converted and some convincing proofs of the power of God accompanying his Word yea that many were so choaked and taken by the heart that through terrour the Spirit in such a measure convincing them of sin in hearing of the Word they have been made to fall over and thus carryed out of the Church who after proved most solid and lively Christians And says he this great spring-tide of the Gospell was not of a short time but for some years continuance yea thus like a spreading Mooreburne the power of godlyness did advance from one place to another which put a marvellous Lustre on these parts of the country the savour wherof brought many from other parts of the land to see the truth of the same Again he telleth pag. 417. at the Kirk of the shots 20 of June 1630. that there was so convincing an appearance of God and down pouring of the Spirit even in an extraordinary way especially at that sermon Juny 21. the day after their communion with a strange unusuall motion on the hearers who in a great multitude were there conveened of diverse ranks that it was known which he saith he can speake on sure ground near five hundred had at that time a discernible change wrought on them of whom most proved lively Christians afterwards Now that there was a true and reall appearance of God and breaking forth of his power and out letting of his Spirit upon many at that time I veryly believe and my soul hath unity with the testimony hereof and diver other testimonys of

and sensible enjoyments of himself and blessing them more abundantly with the fruits of holyness righteousness and victory over corruption in that despised way then formerly they ever witnessed although their experience of any things that were true among them called presbyterians was not short of many if not of the most of them even in that day Pag. 1. l. 18. That which this great Seer much upon his Masters secrets because he had frequent access to lean his head upon his breast who come ou● of the Father's bosom foresaw would follow upon this turning aside and fall upon the head of such forsakers of a Church so often honoured by receiving signall testimonys of the great Bridgroom's love towards her as his Spouse c. Answer 3. I wonder how this man hath the confidence to call this Author a great Seer and to tell us of his being much upon his Master's secrets becaus he had frequent access to lean his head upon his breast who came out of the Father's bosom for these and such like expressions do plainly imply Immediat Revelation and that S. R. was a prophet and had the Spirit of Prophecy in the same sense as any of the Prophets who were Pen-men of the holy Scripturs for what higher elogies could be given to any of the most eminent Prophets then these here and elsewhere given by him to this Author And here I shall set down some other expressions parallel to these in the Postscript or rather surmounting them to be found in the Epistle to the Reader whether one man hath writ that Epist●e and the Postscript is not materiall to inquire seing doubtless they are both of one profession if differing persons and he that writes the Postscript ownes the Epistle to the Reader In the beginning of that Epistle he tells us Considering how little need Master Rutherford as he calls him his Letters have of any mans Epistle commendatory his great Master whom he served with his Spirit in the Gospell of his Son having given them one written by his own hand on the hearts of every one who is become his Epistle c. This is the very same commendation that the Spirit of God giveth to Paul who was not behind the chiefest of the Apostles as you may read 2. Cor. 3 1 2 verses And indeed this is the greatest ground why we believe the Scripturs to be divinely inspired becaus the inward Testimony of the Spirit of God which is the Epistle commendatory written by Gods own hand upon the hearts of believers is the Seal of confirmation unto the Scripturs as being divinely inspired And seing GOD doth give the same Seal as this writer plainly affirmeth to S. R. his Epistles that he doth to the Epistles of Paul will it not prove that S. R. his Epistles are as really divinely inspired as Paul's Epistles were and then why may not S. R. his Epistles be put into the Bible with Paul's Epistles This question is the more pertinently put to this man and these of his profession becaus they do so argue against us the People called Quakers that if any of our words or writings be divinley inspired then we equal our writings to the Scripturs For this cons●quence if it hath any weight at all doth as much fall upon their heads as upon ours and if they do still make a difference betwixt the one and the other although both divinely in●pired can not we do the same But he proceedeth in his admirable commendation of this book thus as being a piece the holy Scripturs being set aside equall to any the world hath yet seen or this day can shew in respect of the spiritualness of it A friendly testimony indeed I remember the Presbyterians had wont to commend Calvin's Institutions above any book in the world next to the Scripturs according to these Latine verses made on them Praeter Apostolicas post Christi tempor a chartas Huic peperere librum secula nulla parem And I have heard an eminent Presbyterian Preacher in his pulpit commend the Confession of Faith with the Larger and Shorter Catechism set out by them called the Assembly of Divines at Westminster above all books in the world except the Scriptur But now both Calvin's Institutions and the Confession of Faith must give place to S. R. his Epistles yea and most books in the world besides I write not this to lessen any due worth that belongs to S. R. his Epistles for I acknowledg having read them all over once and many of them severall times I find many savoury expressions in them that savour of that blessed life of Christ revealed of God in my heart yet I must needs say I find also very many unsound and unsavoury expressions in them that the life and Spirit of Christ doth not onely not beare witness for but against as I may afterwards shew 4. I do really believe that there are divers books in the world besids the Scripturs nor shall I bring into the compari●on our Friends books lest any say I am partial more sound and more spirituall then this book is and which are more profitable to direct the minds of them who are strangers to Christ where or how to find him little or nothing of which I can find in all this book of S. R. onely somewhat of his own experience but I can not find in him any certain and clear directions certainly and in●allibly directing strangers how to attain to the least true spirituall experience nor can I find the least hint or shaddow of a testimony in all his book to the saving power and efficacy of that universall Light of Christ wherewith Christ hath inlightened every man that cometh into the world which blessed heavenly divine testimony I find in many of the Ancients for which cause a few lines of them are of more value to me and all who love Gods Vniversall Gift then this whol book of S. Rs. And I question not but many having as much of a spirituall tast and discerning as any Presbyterian will affirme that the writings of not onely Augustin and the like Ancients but of later writers in darker times as of Bernard Thaulerus Thomas a Kempis and that little booke called The Dutch or German Theology are fully as ●pirituall though I am farr from justifying any errours in these books as neither do I the errours in S. R. his Epistles And although I know the Presbyterians some of them as have seen and read the Dutch Theology account it a most dangerous book and full of bla●phemyes as I. L. did call it expresly to I. S. whereof both B. F. I were witnesses in Holland yet Luther doth commend it as one of the best books he had met with next to the Scripturs and Augustin and teaching more sound Divinity then all the Divines in Germany or any where else in that time and he wrot an Epistle commendatory of it which is prefixed to it in some Editions a printed coppy

Light with his is such a grosse and manifest lye and forgery that a greater can not be invented for we do exalt him both with our hearts and mouths above not onely all men of our own profession but above all men and Angels and that beyond all comparison yea we exalt him more then this our acc●ser or any of his brethren even as Man as having a substantiall dignity and excellency belonging to him as Man above all men and Angels whatsomever nor will it in the least follow from our principles that becaus we have a measure of his Light and Life in us that therefore we put our selves in his place or roome as is already cleared for he has it in the fulnesse in whom the fulnesse of the Godhead dwelleth bodily and GOD gave not the Spirit unto him by measure whereas whatever Light or Life Vertue or excellency we or any Saints or Angels have is derived from him and is but a measure of his fulnesse and God the Father dwelleth in him immediately but in us ●mediately through him as is above declared and opened from Iohn 17 23. 11. And what a blind and dark man is this that will not acknowledge that the Saints have any thing of that Light in them which Christ hath in himself Let him tell us and prove it from Scripture if he can that Christ putteth any other Light or Spirit in his people then that which is in himself But the contrary is manifest from Scripture that it is one and the same Spirit Light and Life both in him and in them But if some more sober then this Author will acknowledge that Christ is really in the Saints albeit they do not understand how he is in all men to such I say viz who affirme Christ to be in the Saints that by this mans argument to ●it the Author of the Postscript they deny the true Christ the Son of David and Mary and set up the Saints in the place of Christ as being Christ as well as he becaus as he saith containing the same Light 12. Let them consider how farre the Author of the Postscript hath outshot himself in this particular and in stead of pleading for the true Christ hath in effect denyed him and robbed all the Saints of God of having him in them expresse contrary to the Scripturs And I have often wondered how ●hese men will so freely acknowledge and plead for ●he devil his being in all wicked men and yet de●y that Christ is in all good men yea seing they ●lead that all good men while they live on earth have sin and sin daily in thought word and deed yea continually they must also acknowledg that in so farre as sin is in them the devil is in them who is the father of all sin and yet they will not have Christ to be in all no not in the Saints which sheweth them to be extreamely blind and inconsiderate And I would ask them this one question Do they think that the Devil is a Spirit of a larger and greater extension then the Soul or Spirit of Christ as Man If they say nay then Christ is in all men If they say that the Devil is a greater Spirit then the Spirit of Christ as Man then they plainly declare that the Devil is greater then Christ which is horrid and detestable blasphemy SECTION XIV 1. That the Presbyterian Teachers set themselvs in the place of Christ. 2. They goe back to the church of Rome and her Popes to prove their call 3. They labour to turn people from Christ in th●mselv●s 4. T●at they may keep up their trade and gain 5. Who love to hear Christ in themselves love to hear him in others 6. The Author of the Postscript his blasphemy against the true Christ of God in mens hearts 7. He is better skilled in the art of railing then in the way of disputing 8. The Christian Quakers love and honour all true Ministers of Christ Iesus 9. An old policy of Satan to call the ministers of Anti-Christ ministers of Christ as among Papists and Presbyterians 10. Why we cannot joyn with Presbyterian Teachers 1. ANd whereas he falsly accuseth us as puting any of our Prophets in the place of Christ This may be justly retorted back upon him and his brethren who deny the immediate presence and immediate revelation and teachings of Christ in his people and so they set themselves indeed in the place of Christ crying up the necessity of mens teachings and crying down the necessity of the teachings of Christ in peoples ●earts And they tell the people that they must heare them and learn of them else they can not be saved and if any refuse to heare them and learn of them they accurse them 2. And yet they can not give any sufficient account of their call from Christ to preach but do generally in these days goe back to the Apostate Church of Rome and her Popes and Bishops whom they have so often called Babylon and Anti-Christ to derive their call as even Iames Durham a great Presbyterian Teacher hath done in his book on the Revelation But if people come to hearken to the t●achings of Christ in them and believe in the same hey turne desperate enemys against them and do all they can to stirre up the Magistrate to persecute them as indeed it is the Presbyterian Teachers especially the mongrell sort of them that are the great occasion of our present persecution And in effect this is their language upon the matter heare us and learn of us but heare not Christ within you learn not of him as he teaches you in your hear●s as the Quakers tell you ye ought to do for there is no true Christ in you at all that which reproves you for sin in your hearts is not the true Christ but a false nor is it the least measure of that Light which was in him that shineth in your hearts and lets you see your sins this Light in you can not teach you the saving knowledg of God nor lead you unto God although ye should follow it never so faithfully but we can teach you the true and saving knowledge of God and if ye doe what we ●id you doe ye shall certainly be saved we can pawn our soules for you therefore heare us and ye shall be saved 3. But if ye heare not us ye can not expect Salvation we are the alone Ambassadours that God hath sent unto you to teach you and lead you into the Kingdom of GOD you need no other immediate Teacher or Preacher nay ye need not that Christ should be in you at all you need no immediate teachings of Christ or of God at all immediate revelations are ceased since the Apostles dayes and there is no use of them means are so plentifull I appeal to all sober and impartial men if this be not to set up themselvs in the place of Christ. 4. And what 's the cause that these men are so

travell'd into the remotest parts of the world to preach and they alledge they have preached Christ as much as the Presbyterians alledge they preach him at home Xaverius a Papist preached to the Chineses and was at greater pains then any Presbyterian that ever I heard of for they commonly nest themselves at home and enjoy as much bodily ease and pleasure as other men they seldom preach out of their own parishes but I never heard of any of them goe and preach to heathens where the Name of Christ hath not outwardly been mentioned as many in the Popish Church have done Nor will it solve the matter to say that though there have been some holy Preachers in the Popish Church yet they preached many errors with some truths and therefore since the Light is broke up more clearely they are now to be turned away from although in these dark times it might have pleased God to make some of them instruments of salvation to peoples souls which may as yet be where a further manifestation is not given of God For the same answer will as wel serve us against the Presbyterians as it will serve them against the Papists Admitt then that there may be some holy men among the Presbyterian Teachers and that at times the Spirit of God hath breathed through them when they did little notice it and had not that care to attend his breathings and movings so as onely to speak by them and that when the Spirit thus breathed through them they have been instrumentall to the Salvation of some souls yet becaus these men did also preach many errours and did not regard the inward call and movings of the Spirit of God as they should have done but spake more frequently without them then with them and in their own will beginning and ending with the houre-glasse as also becaus they laid too great weight on the bare outward call of men and on meer natural and acquired abili●ys and have affirmed that Grace or piety is not essentiall to a minister of Christ and have not preached the pure Truth as it is in Iesus but for most part grosse errours as namely that Gods Grace is not Vniversal that Immediat Revelation is ceased that we must sin for terme of Life that men may committ murder and adultery and yet be in a justifyed state and perfectly justifyed at that instant 10. I say for these and many others causes we can not owne them as ministers of Christ according to the pure order of a Gospell Ministry and especially because they take hire and wages as much as any they are hirelings Yet we do really make a difference betwixt those who are more tender and conscientious and others and are glad to meet with any such for they are very thin scattered at this day And if we take more paines on such then upon others some times give them a sound thresh it is in love to them and in hope to find corn among them which we expect less to find among the profane whom he calleth lazy lie-byes and idle loyteres and yet such men were the farre greaters part of the Presbyterian Ministry in its most flourishing time SECTION XV. 1. Many unsound and unsavory expressions in S. R. his Epistles 2. Yet he both experienced and declared of Immediat Revelation and the Spirits immediat teachings 3. He confessed there was a gate of finding Christ that he had never lighted upon 4. The Christian Quakers know this gate which is to wait upon him in the shinings of his Divine Light in their hearts being retired unto the same in pure silence 5. Silent wayting proved from many Scriptures 6. An observable confession of S. R. that the Presbyterians have stinted a measure of so many ounce weights upon holynes and no more 7. Some very observable Testimonys out of the book called The fullfilling of the Scripturs highly commended by the Presbyterians to some of the chief and main principles experiences and practices of the people called Quakers 8. A great out-leting of the Spirit in the West of Scotland about the year 1625. 9. Called by the profane rabble the Stewarton Sicknes That caused a strange unusuall motion on the hearers that some were made to fall over in the place and were carryed out 10. The same Life and Power of God and out-letting of his Spirit but more clearly is now among the Christian Quakers 11. Many Presbyterians now joyn with the profane rabble to call these unusuall motions the reall effects of Gods Spirit among us the signs of some diabolicall possession 12. The Author of the Postscript guilty of this impiety 13. Many Presbyterians like the Scribes and Pharisees who profeffed to owne the Spirit of God in Moses and the Prophets and denyed the same Spirit in Christ and the Apostles 14. That glory that s●ined forth among them disappeared when they turned persecuters of others 15. An objection answered 16. The Author of the fullfilling of the Scripturs affirmeth that there was an Apostolick Spirit lett out upon the first Reformers which is inconsistent with their doctrine that immediat revelation is ●eased 17. That Robert Bruce had an extraordinary call to the Ministry 18. That he keeped silence for a considerable time before he preached as the Preachers among the Christian Quakers do 19. He had the Spirit of discerning to know when a man preached not by the Spirit of God and when he did which is our experience also 20. The Author confesseth it is something else to be a Minister of Iesus Christ then to be a knowing and eloquent Preacher which is contrary to the Presbyterian doctrine now and according to the doctrine of the Christian Quakers 21. Robert Bruce his Prophecy that the Ministry of Scotland would prove the greatest persecuters that the Gospell ●ad fullfilled 22. A wonderfull influence that Robert Bruce his prayer had not only upon those present but on some absent that heard not his words 23. The said Author confesseth that the Presbyterians are grossely mistaken concerning some Scripture truthes and promises that after shall be made clear This we know fullfilled 24. A loving exhortation to professors 25. He doth acknowledge Immediat Teachings 26. He calls their own prayers many times a peice of invention rather then a matter of earnest with the Lord. 27. He commendeth it in Robert Bruce that he would not goe to preach without the Lord which is contrary to the Presbyterian doctrine in our dayes 28. He commends many things in th●se men that Presbyterians now condemn and reproach under the name of Quakerism HAving in my answer to the Postscript refered unto some places in S. R. his Epistles and also unto that other book called the fullfilling of the Scripturs I shall in this last Section cite some passages that do sufficiently answer unto those referrs 1. In my first Section I say that I doe find very many unsound and unsavoury expressions in S. R. his Epistles that the Life and Spirit of Christ in

him in what perhaps was in his heart to speak and truely this is the very cause of our silence also for we know that no preaching nor praying can availe to quicken or reach the soules of men or profit either speaker or hearers but that which is in the immediat moving and assistance of the Spirit of God 19. 3. He telleth plainly pag. 431. that he had the Spirit of discerning in a great measure in so much that having heard a sermon preached by Robert Blair it being the first he had preached and he being desired by the said Robert Blair to give his judgment concerning the same did give it in these words I found said he your ●ermon very polished and disgested but there is one thing I did misse in it to vvit the Spirit of God I found not that This as the Author saith took a deep impression upon him and helped him to see it was something else to be a minister of Jesus Christ then to be a knowing and eloquent preacher Pag. 453. But the professors generally in this day deny any such Spirit of ●iscerning as whereby one knoweth supposing him to be never so spirituall when he heareth another preach whether he doth preach by the Spirit of God or no when we affirm that the Lord hath given such a discerning unto us they cry out many of them as if it were blasphemy to assert any such thing Again whereas this Author saith it is some vvhat else to be a minister of Iesus Christ then to be a knovving and eloquent preacher we say the same But how farr doth this contradict the Presbyterians doctrine that grace or piety is not essentiall or necessary to the being of a minister of Christ as Iames Durham expressly affirmeth in his book on the Revelation 21. 4. The Author telleth us that the said Robert Bruce was deeply affected with the naughtiness and profanity of many ministers then in the Church and the unsuitable carriage of others to so great a calling and did express much his fear that the Ministers of Scotland would prove the greatest persecuters that the Gospell had And so in this we have found his words to be true for the said Ministry of Scotland even Presbyterian as wel as Episcopall are the greatest persecuters of the Gospell in this day as formerly And their doctrine that Grace or piety is not essentiall to a Minister of Christ nor an inward call by the Spirit opens a door to such a naughty and profane Ministry 22. Pag. 432. 5. He tells that on a certain time when Robert Bruce was at prayer in his chamber in Edinburgh there was such an extraordinary motion on all present so sensible a down-pouring of the Spirit that they could hardly contain themselves yea which was most strange even some unusuall motion on those who were in other parts of the house not knowing the cause at that very instant and one being occasionally present when he went away said O how strange a man is this for he knocked down the Spirit of God upon us all this he said becaus R. B. did divers times knock with his fingers on the table And yet when such motions and effects are now witnessed when the Servants of the Lord pray in our meetings they will not believe but in the same Pharisa●call Anti-Christian spirit as the Jewes said of Christ they say of us that we have a devil for which I heartily wish that the Lord may forgive them and open their hearts to understand and receive the Truth Many more observable passages might be cited out of the same book to convince Professors how these men whom they have such an esteeme of did both in principle practice and experience in many things agree with us the People called Quakers against themselvs who boast to be their Successors and children as the Iewes boasted that they were the children of Abraham But surely seing the Professors of this day stop their ears at the inward voyce of Gods Spirit in their own consciences and also at so many plain and clear testimonys of the Holy Scripture that make so abundantly for the Testimony of Truth owned by us I little expect that the testimonys of these men will prevail with many of them yea although even they should come from the dead and witnesse for the Truth against them as Christ said in the 〈◊〉 If they will not believe Moses and the Prophets neither will they believe if one should be raised from the dead Yet for the sake of many others among them of whom I have hope that God will in due time effectually reach them and open their eyes I have found my heart moved and drawn by the Lord to be at this paines for the good of whose soules I could willingly by the Grace of God endure much labour suffering and affliction both inwardly and outwardly that they might see and owne the glorious work and appearance of God among us and be brought to enjoy the same with us 23. And here in the close of all I shall cite a passage of this Author himself which may be of service to some who are willing to understand how that the Presbyterians even the most knowing and experienced of them did not know all that was afterwards to be revealed Page 35. He saith We wait and believe the further accomplishment of this promise to wit the words Dan. last ver 4. Many shall runne to and fro and knowledg shall be increased to the Church beyond all we have yet seen that many Scripture truths now dark and abstruse shall be made so clear as shall even cause us to wonder at the grosse m●stakes we once had thereof yea that after generations shall have a discovery and uptaking of some prophecys now ob●cure which shall as farr exceed us as this time goeth beyond former ages which comparatively we must say were very dark 24. Now I earnestly obtest and beseech such among them as have any measure of true tendernesse and ingenuity and do believe these words of this Author to consider in the cool of their minds if possibly these principles and doctrins among us which they have called grosse errours and delusions of Satan may not be these Scripture truths whereof the Author speaketh and that their condemning such principles were but their gros●e mistakes yea surely we know it to be so and many of us that were formerly Presbyterians are now made to wonder at our grosse mistakes which we then had But this I understand of such as are really owned by us not of those which they do falsly alledge and impose upon us I shall cite one or two passages more of this Author and then leave it to the impartial and ingenuous judge if they do not arrive upon the matter at the same which many of his Brethren reproach and nick-name with the Profane rabble under the termes of Enthusiasme and Quakerism 25. Pag. 112. He saith There is a demonstration within which goeth further then