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A62157	Some queries proposed, to the monethly meeting of the Quakers at Aberdeen; the sixth day of June, 1700. By Robert Sandilands With their answers thereto; together with some remarks thereupon. Published by authority. To which is prefixed a letter from George Keith, sent to the Quakers in Aberdeen, containing a very serious and Christian expostulation with his old friends, &c.	Sandilands, Robert.; Keith, George, 1639?-1716. aut	1700 (1700)	Wing S663; ESTC R220626	23,403	36

of Life the word that is nigh in the Heart and in the Mouth but the Letter of the Scripture is outward of it self a dead thing a meer declaration of good things but not the things themselves therefore it nor is nor can be the Chief or Principal RULE of Christians But least any should mistake him and think that tho he owned them not to be the principal Rule yet at least he acknowledged them to be a RULE he immediatly adds § 3 That which is given to Christians for a RULE and Guide must needs be so full as it may clearly and distinctly Guide and Order them in all things and occurrences that may fall out But the Scriptures are not such as he instanceth in several particulars therefore the Scriptures cannot be a RULE to them And as they are not a RULE so nor the Rule as he sayeth in another place As for CHRIST and his Apostles using the Scriptures for convincing of their Opposers so do we and yet this proves not that either he or we judge them pag. 15. near the end to be the Rule whereby to try all things and Spirits c. The Reader may plainly observe the great inconsistency betwixt what R. B. says and what Andrew Jaffray and his Friends say They affirm the Scriptures to be an RULE an Infallible RULE and an Infallible RULE of Faith and Life in which they are very orthodox and I must in Charity believe that in so farr are our Modern Quakers Reformed and very justly laid aside their former Doctrine Which is yet more plainly and explicitly delivered by William Penn in his Appendix to the Christian Quaker for after endeavouring to prove that the Scriptures were never the General RULE he at last by way of Objection says Pag 136 But is not the Scripture the RULE of our Day he answers if the RULE then the general RULE for pag 137. whatsoever is the RULE of Faith and Life excludeth all other from being general they being but particular in respect of it self therefore not the RULE of Faith and Life but besides their not being general I have several Reasons to o●ter and he brings no less then nine or ten Reasons why they cannot be the Rule of Faith and Life See George Keith's Book called the Deism of William Penn c. Wherein there is a full examination and confutation of William Penns Discourse of the General RULE of Faith and Practice and Judge of Contraversie Printed Anno 1699. Observe also what is said in one of their Books called the Quakers Refuge p. 17. Whether the first Penman of the Scriptures was Moses or Hermes or whether both these are one or whether there are not many Words contained in the Scriptures which were not spoken by INSPIRATION of the Holy Spirit And in a Book called Truths Defence by G. F. and R. H. p. 2d You may as well Condemn the Scriptures to the Fire as our Queries Q. 2. Whether the Light within be sufficient of it self to Salvation without any thing else A. Unto such as are under a moral impossibility of coming to the knowledge of the Incarnation Life Miracles Crucifiction Death Resurrection and Ascension of our Lord JESUS ' CHRIST the Light wherewith he inlighteneth every Man coming into the World is sufficient to Salvation Ioh. 1. 9. Tit. 2. 11. But where the outward knowledge of the Scriptures is attainable or the outward History of our Saviour it is altogether damnable not to believe the same R. This Answer to the second Querie is in my opinion no Answer at all but a down right shifting the Question which hath no respect to such as are under a moral impossibility of knowing the Life Death Miracles c. of our Blessed Lord JESUS CHRIST but to such as have the means of knowing them and tho to such it be certainly Damnable not to believe them yet that tells us not whither the Light within be of its self sufficient to Salvation without any thing else yea or not and therefore I must again intreat that they may be pleased Candidly and sincerely to give a plain and direct Answer to the Querie and this I have the more reason to demand because Robert Barclay of Urie at the first giving in of their Answers being ●ressed to declare whether to such as have the means of knowing the Life Death Miracles c. of the Holy JESUS the Light within was of it self sufficient to Salvation He answered negatively that it was not and carried away the Answers to have that insert as thier Answer to the Querie which after all was not done From whence it appears that either they are not agreed amongst themselves about the resolution of this Querie and so shift the Answering it Or else that they are afraid to own the Truth plainly least thereby they contradict their Antient Friends And particularly George Whitehood who plainly asserts in his Antidote p. 28. That the Quakers are offended with G. K. for saying the Light within is not sufficient to Salvation without something else The which Proposition seing he blames as false he must hold the Contradictory to be true that the light within is sufficient to Salvation without any thing else Yea G. W. hath granted in his Antidote p. 28. that CHRIST as outwardly Considered is that something else which G. K. means And W. P. in his appendix to the Christian Quakers pag. 158. plainly affirms that the belief of the History of CHRIST's Birth Death c. is none of the absolute necessaries to our Salvation And in his Quakerism a new Nickname c. He saveth That Faith in the History of CHRIST's outward pag. 6 manifestation is a deadly poyson these latter Ages has been infected with and he sayes also in his Rejoynder to I. Fa●do that CHRIST in the Gentiles is a greater mistery then CHRIST as he was made manifest in the Flesh it is strange that should be counted most misterious which was the introduction to the mistery and these transactions counted most difficult that were by the Divine Wisdom of GOD ordained as so many facil representations of what was to be accomplished in Man it is to le●en if not totally exclude the true mistery of Godliness which is CHRIST manifested in his Children their hope of Glory p. 335 Like to this is his saying in his Preface to the Collection of Robert Barclays Book ' s. O Reader sayeth he great is the mistery of Godliness and if the Apostle said it of the manifestation pag. 36. of the Son of GOD in the Flesh if that be a mistery and if a mistery it is not to be spelled out but by the revelation of the Spirit how much more is the See also His Christi an Quaker pag. 12. work of Regeneration a mistery that is wholly inward and spiritual Q. 3. Whether the Holy Three the FATHER SON and HOLY GHOST that bear record in Heaven be not threedistinct Persons of one

as I know One thing more I must say which is that as it is well known to divers in this place that no outward prospect ever mov'd me to leave the Protestant Religion and join with the Quakers so I can say in the sight of Almighty GOD and in the sincerity of my heart that no Worldly interest induced me now to leave their communion but plain conviction and full perswasion of those many gross and pernicious Heresies which were very clearly discovered to me in their Writtings And as I am convinced that many sober and serious Persons among them do not believe or somuch as imagine that such unchristian Doctrines were ever broached or mantained by their chief Ieachers so I heartily pray that the LORD would enlighten their minds that they may both discover and acknowledge their Errours and abhore them as much as I do GEORGE KEITH'S Letter My Old Friends Andrew Jaffray Iohn Robertson Robert Gordon Iohn Forbes of Achortes c. HAving the occasion of the Bearer I thought fit to send you my fourth Narrative and another late Book of mine called the Deism of William Penn c which I desire you to read impartially and without prejudice I hope ye will not be so strait as not to read them for as ever I could and did very freely read the Books of any against me so I still can and do readily read them The said Narrative as to the truth of the Quotations is attested by men of Credit and beside I suppose many of the Books that I have quoted in the same ye may have by you and some others ye may easily procure whereby to find whether my Quotations be true and just and if you find them so to be I hope you will calmly and seriously consider them and Compare them with the Holy Scriptures which I beseech you more diligently to search with earnest Prayer to God Almigty that he would give you a good understanding by His Divine Illumination by which you will see that the chief Teachers of the Quakers whom both Ye and I have in our Ignorance owned for true Teachers have Taught very false Doctrines contradicting the Holy Scriptures in diverse of the great fundamentals of Christianity I shall not here expostulat with You for your unkindness to me Uncharitableness and rash Judgement against me in your Letters and Papers sent up here to London against me some Yeasr ago But my Prayer is to God both for You and others thereaway that he may give You a better Understanding and make You more Charitable in Judgement both to me and others and more humble in Your own Conceits I freely own with sorrow and deep Repentance that I have been injurious to You and others thereaway not in any Wordly matter but while I was with You and in my ignorant Zeal thinking that I did God good Service that I was any wayes instrumental to mislead and misinform You and turn You out of the way in any of the least Principle or Practice of Christian Religion For this I acknowledge that I am a great Debtor to You and would willingly make restitution and be at as great and greater Pains to undeceive You and bring You out of the Mire as ever I was to lead You into it but if You refuse my offer God I doubt not will forgive me and not lay it to my Charge and the Sin will ly at your Door I hope I can say as Paul said I have obtained Mercy because I did it ignorantly The main things wherein I Charge my self to have misinformed You and any others either by my Words or Books are in leading You into great Unchatitablene●s towards all other Protestant Societies and into too high an Esteem of the People called Quakers and their Leaders and Teachers and Way of Practice in diverse things both Religious and Civil and more especially to the rejecting of the Holy Institutions of our Blessed Lord of Baptism and the Supper and setting up Humane Institutions in room of them as George Fox his orders of Womens Meetings and Government in Church Affairs the Condemning all other Protestant Teachers though more sound in Faith and of more Religious Practices and Professors of Christianity as Priests of Baal and Worshippers of Baal crying out against their Congregations for their Mixtures Whereas alas there has been all along a greater Mixture among the People called Quakers both as to Unsoundness of Doctrine and Practices Ye Your selves know how little God is Worshipped with Prayer and Thanksgiving in the Families of the Quakers generally very few excepted excusing all by pretence of mental and inward Prayer and want of Divine Motions to carry them forth in external Acts of Worship So that to my certain knowledge possibly to Yours also too many high Pretenders to Spirituality among the People called Quakers who are Masters of Families and have Wives and Children and Servants yet rarely Bow their bodily Knees to God in their Families And Set-times of Prayer and Thanksgiving either for the Closet or Family Worship have been generally laid aside These are the Chief Things for which I have blamed my self in being instrumental in former Times to have misinformed you though I think all along I was generally more Charitable in Judgement towards many others of other Societies then many were or now are among the People called Quakers But it 's a great Comfort to me that upon a strict Examination of my former Perswasions and Principles as extant in my former Books for which I think I can appeal to You as well as what I have declared among You I was never guilty of that Horrid Unbelief and Antichristian Errors and Heresies contradicting the chief Fundamentals of Christianity that I have found the Chief English Teachers among the Quakers guilty of I desire to Bless God my Preserver who all along hath Preserved me sound in the Faith as touching all the twelve Articles of that called the Apostles-Creed the God Head and Man hood of Our Blessed Lord JESUS CHRIST His Person and Offices For which I desire You to Read and Consider the Answer given by me and my dear and Worthy Friend Alexander Jaffray now with God to the thirty Questions sent to him by Bishop Scougal if that Worthy Man had Lived to this Day in the Body I Question not but he would have been a Strength to me in my Opposition to those Vile Errors held by the English Leaders among the Quakers Viz. G. F. G. W. F. B. and many others I hoped also that ye had been better Principled against these vile Errors and that in good Measure by Means of my Labour among You. So that it was no small Surprise to me to find you join in a Combination against me with my Adversaries here as you know ye and Your Friends generally did soon after my Arrival into England from America Your pretence then was that ye could not believe that Friends either in America or England were guilty of the

Substance Power Glory and Eternity Or are they only three manifestations or operations and is there not some Incommunicable as well as Communicable Attributes belonging to the Persons of the Holy Trinity A. We believe according to the Scriptures that there are three that bare record in Heaven the FATHER the WORLD and the HOLY GHOST and these three are One 1 Joh. 5. 7. And we do not find our selves obliged to express our selves in other terms than the Wisdom of GOD saw meet to express that great mistery in the Holy Scriptures But we do believe that there are incommunicable as well as communicable Attributes in the said Holy three as is witnessed Joh. 1. 14. And the Word was made Flesh and dwelt among us which cannot be said of the other two R. In this Answer to the third Querie it is said there are incommunicable as well as communicable Attributes in the Holy three c. And yet G. Whitehead sayeth in his Truth defending the Quakers We deny the Popish terms pag. 2. of three distinct Persons which you call GOD the FATHER GOD the SON and GOD the HOLY GHOST which tends to the dividing GOD and to the making three GOD's and do not you Priests in your Divinity as you call it affirm that a Person is a Single Rational Compleat Substance and differing from another by an INCOMMUNICABLE PROPERTY and art thou so blind as to think that there is such a difference in the God head seing CHRIST is equal with his FATHER who is a SPIRIT then what INCOMMUNICABLE PROPERTY can he differ in from the FATHER that is not COMMUNICABLE to the one as well as the other And Geo Fox one of the greatest account among them in his disputing against C. Wade for saying that GOD the FATHER never took upon him Human Nature which sayeth he in his great mistery is contrary to the Scripture This was the Error of the Old Hereticks pag. 246. called Patripassians who held that GOD the FATHER was born of the Virgin suffered dyed c. Q. 4. Is not the promised Seed of the Woman that should bruise the Serpents Head Gen. 3. 15. The Man CHRIST JESUS that was born of the Virgin at Bethlehem in the Land of Iudea A. We Answer affirmatively it is he and he alone we never in the least doubted it what ever malice may suggest without the least ground R. This Answer may be compared with what W. P. sayes in express words in his Christian Quaker p. 97 98. One outward thing saithhe cannot be the propper figure of another nor is it the way of Holy Scripture so to teach the outward Lamb shews forth the inward Lamb. The SEED of the promise is an Holy and Spiritual Principle of Light Life and Power that being received into the Heart briuses the Serpents head and because the Seed which cannot be the Body viz. that was outwardly born of the Virgin is CHRIST as testify the Scriptures the Seed is one that Seed CHRIST and CHRIST GOD over all blessed for ever The Reader may see that it s not malice but that there is too much ground to suggest the Quakers unsoundness as to the foresaid Querie Q 5. That seed of Abraham to which the Promise was made that in him all the Nations of the Earth shall be blessed according to Gen. 22. 18. Gal. 3. 16 Was it not the Man CHRIST JESUS who according to the Flesh was the Son of Abraham and the Son of David Matt. 1. 1. A. We Answer affirmatively yea it was he and none else R. With this Orthodox Answer the Reader may compare what G. W. sayes in his Truth defending the Quakers it is Queried thus did Richard Hubberthorn will pag. 21. in writing that CHRISTS coming in the Flesh was but a Figure G. W. Answers could CHRIST have been said to have been transfigured if his coming in the Flesh had not been a Figure And in his Christian Quaker he positively denyes that CHRIST Consisted of visible Flesh and Bones pag. 139. 140. It is saith he both unscriptural and assurd to assert that JESUS CHRIST consisteth of a Human Body of Flesh and Bones how then can he be properly the Seed of Abraham and the Son of David I distinguish sayeth G. W. between considing and having CHRIST had visible Flesh and Bones but he did not consist of them as a Man hath a Coat or a Garment but he doth not consist of it Q. 6 Had not this Man a real Soul that was not the Godhead and a real Body also that was not the God-head A. We answer affirmatively yea he had both R. This Answer may be compared with what G. W. sayes in his Appendix to the Divinity of CHRIST aganist T. D. as to T. Ds telling us of the Son of GODs incarnation pag. 18. the creation of his Body and Soul the parts of that Nature he subsisted in note that Nature plainly denotes CHRIST's Manhood Nature that T. D. meant which had a created Body and Soul to this I say sayes G. W. if the Body and Soul of the Son of God were both created doth not this render him a fourth Person again where do the Scripture say that the Soul was created Q 7 Is not that outward Man who was born of the Virgin and suffered without the Gates of Jerusalem properly and truly the SON of GOD having no immediat FATHER but GOD. A. We Answer affirmatively and fully believe he is so R. This Answer to the seventh Querie being in all appearance sound and orthodox and agreeable to the sense of all sound Protestants if they have no secret reserved meaning in this and their other orthodox Answers wherein they dissent from the unsound Doctrine of some of their chief Teachers and therefore the Reader may be pleased to compare this their Answer with what W. P. saves in his serious Apologie page 146. viz. But that the outward Person that suffered without the gates of Jerusalem was properly the SON of GOD we utterly deny Is not this a plain contradiction to what A. J. c asserts And also W. P. in his Rejoinder pag 304 305 Say's that outward Person that suffered at Jerusalem was CHRIST by a M●tonomy of the thing containing having the name of the thing contained Q. 8. Is not JESUS CHRIST both GOD and Man and yet but one CHRIST so that his Godhead is not his Manhood though the Nature of his Manhood is most highly and wonderfully united to his Godhead A. We Answer affirmatively and fully believe the same R This Answer to the eight Querie the Reader may compare it with what one of their Antient Teachers Christopher Atkinson sayes in his Book called the Sword of the Lord drawn pag. 5. Your imagined GOD beyond the Stars and your carnal CHRIST is utterly denyed To say this CHRIST is GOD and Man in one Person is a Lie and G. W. sayes in his Book called the Life and Light c. pag. 39. As for

the Resurrection of their Bodies c. See also W. P. his Invalidity of I. F. vindication p. 373 c. Q 19. Whither outward Baptism with Water and the outward Supper called the LORDS Supper be not Divine Institutions and Ordinances of our Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST commanded by Him to be continued and practiced to the end of the World A. First as for Baptism we believe that as there is one LORD and one Faith so there is one Baptism Eph. 4 5. which is not the puting away the filth of the Flesh but the answer of a good Conscience before GOD by the Resurrection of JESUS CHRIST 1 Pet. 3 21. And this Baptism is a pure and Spiritual thing to wit the Baptism of the Spirit and Fire by which we are buried with him Rom. 6. 4. And puts on CHRIST Gal 3 27. that being purged and washed from our sins we may walk in newness of Life being risen with him through the Faith of the Operation of GOD Collos 2. 12. Of which the Baptism of John was a figure whose ministry was to decrease but CHRIST to increase Iohn 3. 30. and who said himself I indeed Baptise you with Water to repentance but He that cometh after me is mightier then I whose shoes I am not worthy to bear He shall baptise you with the HOLY GHOST and with Fire Mat. 3. 11. Here are two Baptisms mentioned whereof certainly Johns was the figure and CHRISTS the continuing substance and though Johns was continued or practiced for a season yet Paul that great Apostle who was not a whit inferiour to the chiefest Apostles 2 Cor. 11. 5. expresly affirms that outward Baptism was not within his Commission from CHRIST read 1 Cor. 1. 17. As for the sprinkling of Infants called Baptism we find neither Precept nor Practice of it in all the Scriptures of truth and therefore judge it to be a meer humane Tradition And as for the Outward Supper we do believe that the communion of the Body and Blood of CHRIST is inward and Spiritual as to the substance which is the participation of his Flesh and Blood by which the Inward man is daily nourished in the Hearts of those in whom CHRIST dwels 1 Cor. 10 chap. 16. 17. verses John 6. 32. 33 35 Of which things the breaking of Bread by CHRIST with his Disciples was a figure which they even used in the Church for a time who had received the substance for the sake of the weak even as abstaining from things strangled and from blood the washing on anothers feet and the anointing the Sick with Oyl all which are commanded with no less authoriy and solemnity then the former and the two last of them as true outward Signs or Simbols of Inward Grace as the Bread and Wine yet seeing they are but the shaddows of better things they cease in such as have obtained the substance Acts 15. 20. John 13 14 Ja. 5 14. Where these forementioned things are commanded or institute R. It is indeed to be much lamented that the whole Body of the Quakers every where is too well agreed as to their disowning and Contempt of our Blessed SAVIOUR's Institutions especially Baptism and the LORD's Supper But A. J. c. might have given a shorter Answer for I designed not by these Queries that either they should prove what they hold or that I should disprove the same And therefore for a full Reply to what either they have here alledged or what R. B. and others of the Chief English Teachers among the Quakers have argued against the Continuance and practice of outward Water Baptism and the LORD's Supper I refer the Reader to Geo Keith's Book called the Arguments of the Quakers against Baptism c. wherein they are intirely consuted and fully Answered And which Book I do not know that the Quakers have so much as pretended to Answer Q 20 Lastly if ye be realy sound and sincere in the Faith of the great fundamental Truths of the Christian Religion are ye not then bound in Conscience to manifest the same and that both by disowning and condemning by a publick Testimony all those gross Erroneous and Unchristian passages which have been and may still more and more be discovered out of your ancient and chief Friends Printed Books Observe so far only A. J. c. recited this last Querie and wholly omitted all the rest And I doe hereby offer to prove the same before any Judicious Indifferent Persons as it shall please GOD to give me an opportunity by producing such Palpable Quotations out of the said Books directly contradicting the plain Testimony of the Holy Scriptures and contrary to the necessary essential point of Christian Faith and Doctrine and if ye be clear and Innocent as I said already ought ye not likewise to disown all such for your Christian Brethren that have opposed and who doe still continue to oppose any of those precious Truths of the Gospel which have been universally received by all true and sound Christians I doe expect your positive and candid Answer by your plain and simple Affirmation or Negation to each of these Queries by which you may prevent any Suspicion of quibling or equivocating to be sent with all Convenience to Aberdeen the 5th day of the 4th Moneth called June 1700. Your Real Welwisher ROBERT SANDILANDS A. We are realy sound and sincere in the great and fundamental Truths of the Christian Religion and we are ready to manifest the same but we are not bound in reason to receive the Testimony of an avowed Adversary against our Brethern and if he have any thing to charge against them among whom he resides he wants not opportunity to do it face to face and we doubt not but they can clear themselves sufficiently This Answer to the above written Queries was drawn upon the 7th day of the 4th moneth called June 1700 And signed as follows Alexander Gelley Robert Barclay Iohn Forbes George Forbes senior Robert Gordon William Taylor Andrew Jaffray Iohn Robertson Robert Gerard Daniel Simson Iohn Somervaile William Glenny James Wallace Iohn Merser Robert Keith Yet at the desire of some of the Magistrats so many of our Number as are present have again signed the same with their own hands Observe They first gave a Copy of their Answer unsigned and which they brought to the Publick Mercat place and Copies thereof given to divers Persons afterwards they brought their Answers much Corrected with large Additions with several names at them but all write with one hand and that not being satisfactory it was returned to them again At last they delivered it Signed Authentically by severals of their own Hands Andrew Jaffray Alexander Gelley William Taylor Daniel Simson Robert Keith Iohn Sommervaile Robert Gordon George Forbes Senior Iohn Merser Iohn King R. I should truly rejoice and be heartily glade to find both A. J. c. And all others among the People called Quakers manifest themselves to be realy sound and sincere not