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A48453 As you were, or, The Lord General Cromwel and the grand officers of the armie their remembrancer wherein as in a glass they may see the faces of their soules spotted with apostacy, ambitious breach of promise, and hocus-pocus-juggleing with the honest soldiers and the rest of the free-people of England : to the end that haveing seene their deformed and fearfull visage, they may be returning to doe their first pretended workes, wipe of their spots, mend their deformities & regaine their lost credit : in a word, save themselves and the gaspeing libertyes of the surprized and enslaved English nation : least enlargement and deliverance arise to the English from another place, but they and their fathers house shall be destroyed : Ester 4. and 14. : all which is contained in a letter directed to the Lord Generall Cromwel, to be communicated to the grandees of his army / written by L. Colonel John Libvrne May 1652 ... Lilburne, John, 1614?-1657. 1652 (1652) Wing L2084; ESTC R1524 49,801 36

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other end but to be his foote-steps to climbe up to the top of absolute and arbitrary Power pretended Authority or unlimited unbounded Kingship And that you my Lord particularly are the man that is guiltie of all this in my judgement and apprehension your owne quondam darling „ and heart-indeared heart secret-knowing Freind the Major of your owne Regiment of Horse Robert Huntington „ in his printed impeachment of you delivered to both house of Parliament against you the 2 of August 1648 hath punctually declared it which impeachment is reprinted in the 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 pages of that Booke for makeing of which I was arraigned for a Traitor at Guildhall October 1649 being intituled An Impeachment of high-Treason against Oliver Cromwell c. and for which Impeachment of his I could never heare that you endeavoured so much as publicly to question him therfore or to put forth a vindication against it Which may well get beleife in un-biased men that you acknowledge all that he hath there said against you to be true And as much as I have said of him and his Impeachment may be said of the Authors of those thre notable bookes and of the bookes themselves called PUTNEY-PROIECTS The LEVELLERS vindicated being the stated case of the late TREACHEROUSLY defeated BVRFORD troopes and the HVE-AND-CRIE of the young men apprentises of London after the lost fundamentall laws liberties of England Vnto which three bookes a great many mens names are set as the avowers justifiers of them and to my knowledge the most of their names are true for I particularly know the most of the men my selfe yet I could never heare that any one of them was so much as questioned for decyfering you there as they have done Although to my knowledge you know some of the men as well as I doe and might severall times since those bookes were writ published as easily have laid your hands upon them to have called them to an account therefore as I can take up the pen inke that I write here with I say laying the forementioned Bookes or discourses together with what followes in this discourse page 13 14 15 to 24 compareing them with your practise I thinke they sufficiently prove you to be the man above mentioned that walks by the Principles of ATHEISME MACHIAVELLSME and holds it lawful to doe any thing in the world that comes in your way that will most serve your turne for the accomplishment of your owne ends be they never so bloodie wicked or tyrannicall But MY LORD you have forced me when I was quiet to come upon the stage againe much against my will and studious indeavours And yet when I did I fairely sought peace with you and sent you in writeing my propositions for peace grounded only upon your owne promises neglecting to insist upon any thing of concernement to my selfe and gave you or your true Freind Mr. William Kiffen to whom I sent it twentie one dayes to returne me an answer at least of his receit thereof all which appeares in the following discourse page 29 30 31. But heareing nothing at all from him and feareing that it is intecepted I am forced to print it The Copie whereof with some small additions thus followeth For my loveing Freind Mr. WILLIAM KIFFIN merchant at his House in Dukes-place London these with hast post hast to be communicated to his Excellency the Lord Generall Cromwell c. Mr. KIFFIN YOu and I have bin long acquainted ād have had much converse together although you were in my late troubles before my triall at GVILD-HALL my adversary in print yet not lookeing upon you by your opposition as a man that out of malice designedly laboured to take away my life but rather at a man surprised in your understanding and thereby induced to beleive the plausible arguments of my pretended Religious adversaries as though by my contest with them an undeniable gap was opened to let in them that are commonly called the public adversaries to devoure all and so were against the then season as unfit and dangerous in your apprehension but not against the things themselves held forth by me and my Camerades which you judged just and righteous and sit to be established in due time when that feare was over In which regard that opposition of yours to me I judged most fit to be buryed in the grave and not with any disgust of mind to be remembred And therfore it is that of late some part of that former familiarity that was betwixt us hath bin renewed and since my banishment I find by several Letters from my wife that you have bin very civil and respectfull to her for which I returne you many AND MY HE ARTIEST thankes ONE OF HER LETTERS dated the 2. of Feb last I have answered in print and caused that answer to be published here as well in DVTCH as ENGLISH which I hope before the date herof is reprinted at London againe since which I have received two Letters more from her the maine substance of both of which are to presume with all the mournfull arguments that possibly thee can use to be quiet and to abstaine from printing and Withall she tells me it is the advice of all my Freindes in generall who come continually to her to gather to write to me about it But haveing in my aforesaid printed Epistle given her undeniable reasons WHY I AM COMPELLED TO PRINT which I hope with my former Letters to her will so qualifie and season her Spirit that I may presume now that both my feares are over which were first that I was afraid through sorrow about me and her owne distressed condition as she calls it the should either miscarry of her childe or else secondly that she should be overwhelmed with greife and so her burthen should become too heavie for her to beare But hopeing that both of these dangers are over I must now confess unto you that that little trouble which used formerly to accompany me thorough the hopes hereof is as good as at an end And therfore to you shall I judge it convenient for me and 1 hope no way mischevous to your selfe to answer freindly and resolutely some other clauses in her latter Letters and some clauses in other Letters of some of my Freindes which I have lately received and then positively to tell you without deceit or flattery my future resolutions by the assistance of God on purpose because I know you are great with the GENERALL and I thinke with the NOW LORD-DEPVTY OF YRELAND LAMBERT but I am sure of it with LENTENANT-GENERALL FLEETWOOD and MAIOR-GENERALL HARRISON that you may shew this Letter unto them all being the great sword men of England that so they may lay their heads together obout it if they please and then let God worke his pleasure In a large Letter to my wise of the 13 of February last I told her and
maintaine the English peoples Lawes and liberties as being not able nor judgeing his conquest so good just and secure a plea to hold his new-gat crowne by „ as an after mutuall compact or Agreement with the People or their representatives „ over whom he was to rule And therfore as the Lord Cooke in the foresaid Chapter page the 12 declares „ a Parliament or a kind of one was held even in the Conquerors time „ See also to this purpoose the Lawbooke of the 21 of Edward the 3 solio the 60 and „ the first part of the Lord Cookes Institutes „ lib 2. Chap. 10. Section 164. fol 110. a. and came to be more Frequently used in his Successors time „ yea even to be once in two yeares in Edward the 1 or 2 his time „ at which notwithstanding the people then grumbled as being an absolute abridgement of their ancient and undoubted libertie ‚ to meet more frequently in their nationall and public assemblies „ to treat and conclude of things for their weale better being The want of which in ancient time ‚ lost the Island of Brittanie to the Romans „ as the said Lord Cooke declares in the said 4 part of his Institutes folio 9 out of Tacitus in the life of Agricola page 306. whereupon it was enacted in full Parliament in Edward the third his time that the King who was the Peoples Officer of trust „ should assemble call the People together in Parliament once every yeare or oftner if need required „ as appeares by the statute of the 4 of Edward the 3 Chapter the 14. But because this was not constantly used by that King but that sometimes he made intervalls of three or sower yeares betwixt Parliament Parliament which was still a diminution of the very Soule and Life of all the Peoples liberties vide ●icet Frequent Often new Parliaments therfore in the 36 yeare of his raigne annuall Parliaments are provided In these very words Item for maintenance of the said articles statutes and redress of divers mischeifs greivances whieh daily happen a Parliament shall be holden every yeare as another time was ordained by a statute of the fourth of Edward the third Chapter the 14. and though in after ages it hath many times bin otherwise practised yet the statutes being still in force the parliaments answer to the King in the booke of Declarations pag 709 holds good that the practise is noe argument against the right But the late King Charles exceedingly faileing to put these Lawes in execution in the Frequent calling of Parliaments also when he had called them dissolved them at his pleasure so made them useles to the Nation Both which the Parliament most notably declared was against his trust in their Declaration of November the 2 1642. first part of the booke of their Declarations page 70 702 709 c. of which the Parliament most bitterly complained in their first Remonstrance Booke of Declarations Part 1 page 5 6 11 in page 10 11 ibidem they positively declare that his destroying of those two grand Freedomes of the People videlicet frequent new successive Parliaments free debates therein had corrupted and distempered the whole frame government of the Nation brought in nothing but destruction waies of tyranny For the preventing of which for the future the Parliament got an Act to pass in the 16 yeare of the late King which was the first yeare of this long-lived Parliament to confirme every tittle of the two fore mentioned acts for annuall Parliaments further in that act they say thus that whereas it is by experience found that the not holding of Parliaments according to the two forementioned acts hath produced sundry great mischeifes inconveniencyes to the Kings Majesty the Church comment weale for the prevention of the like mischeifs inconveniencyes for the time to come be it enacted by the Kings most excellent Majesty with the consent of the Lords Spirituall and temporall and the Commons in this present Parliament assembled that the said last Forementioned Lawes statutes be from henceforth duly keps and observed And most excellent worthy to be written in Letters of gold were and are those arguments that the Lord George Digby though since a Cavalier used in his public speech in the house of Commons January 19 1640 at and for the passing of the last forementioned Law which speech of his is recorded in a printed booke called speeches passages of Parliament page 12 13 to page 21. And hath not the PRESENT GENERALL in his verball expressions confirmed all these things as most righteous and just for was it not hee or his sonn in law IRETON lately deceased that drew that excellent declaration of the Army dated Iune the 14 1647 printed and published in the booke of their Declarations page 41 42 43 where they positively declare that they were so farr from designeing or complying to have an arbitary power fixed or setled for continuance in any persons whatsoever as that say they if we might be sure to obteine it we cannot wish to have it so in the persons of any whom we could most confide in or who should appeare most of our owne opinions and principles or whom we might have most personal assurance of or Interest in but we doe shall much rather wish that the authority of this Nation in Parliaments rightly constituted that is „ freely equally successively chosen „ according to their originall intention may ever stand have its course therfore we shall applie our selves cheifly to such things as by haveing Parliaments settled in such a right constitution may give most hopes of justice righteousnes to flow downe equally to all in that its ancient channel without any overtures tending either to overthrow that foundation of order government in this Kingdome or to engross that power for perpetuity into the hands of any particular persons or partie whatsoever And for that purpose though as we have found it doubted by many men minding sincerely the public good but not weighing so sully all consequences of things it may and is not unlike to prove that upon the ending of this Parliamēt the election of a new the Constitution of succeeding Parliaments as to the persons elected may prove for the worse many waies yet since neither in the present purgeing of this Parliament nor in the Election of new we cannot promise to our selves or the Kingdome an assurance of justice or other positive good from the hands of men but those who for the present appeare most righteous most for common good „ haveing an unlimited power fixed in them for life or pleasure „ in time may become corrupt or settle into parties or factions „ or on the other side in case of new Elections those that should so succeed may prove as bad or worse then the former „ We therfore humbly conceive that „
of two inconveniencyes the less being to be chosen „ the maine thing to be intended in this case „ and beyond which humane providence cannot reach as to any assurance of positive good „ seemes to be this viz. To provide that how ever unjust or corrupt the persons of Parliament-men in present or suture may prove or what ever ill they may doe to particular Parties or to the whole in particular things during their respective termes or periods yet they shall not have the temptation or advantage of an unlimited power fixed in them during their owne pleasures wherby to perpetuate injustice and oppression upon any without end or remedie or to advance and uphold any one particular partie faction or interest whatsoever to the oppression or prejudice of the community the enslaveing of the Kingdome to all posterity but that the people may have an equall hope or possibility if they have made an ill choyce at one time to mend it in another and the members of the House themselves may be in a capacity to tast of subjection as well as rule may so be enclined to consider of other mens cases as what may come to be their owne And speakeing a little after of the Parliament whose power they say is so arbitrary in a manner unlimitted in which regard „ it is most unfitt dangerous „ as to the Peoples interest „ to be fixed in the persons of the same men dureing life or their owne pleasures „ they add that „ Neither by the Originall constitution of this state was it or ought it to continue so nor does „ it where ever it is continues so render that state any better then a meere Tyrannie or the People subject to it any biter then Vassals But in all states where there is any face of common Freedome and particularly in this state of England as is evident both by many positive Lawes ancient constant custome the people have a right to new and successive elections unto that great and supreme trust at certaine periods of time which is so essentiall fundamentall to their Freedome as it cannot or ought not to be denied them or with-held from them and without which the house of Commons is of very little concernment to the interest of the Commons of England And therfore a little below they positively defire that some determinate period of time may be set for the continuance of this and future Parliaments beyond which none shall continue and upon which the writts may of course yssue out and new Elections successively take place accordingly And thus say they a firme foundation being laid in the Authority and constitution of Parliaments for the hopes at least of common and equal right and Freedome to our selves and all the Free-borne people of this Land we shall for our parts freely and cheerfully committ our stock or share of interest in this Kingdome into this common bottome of Parliaments and though it may for our particulars goe ill with us in one Voiage yes we shall thus hope if right be with us to fare better in another And did not the present Generall in his proposalls of the 1 of August 1647 published to the view of the whole Nation press that a certaine period may by act of Parliament be set for the ending of this present Parliament and that such period be within a yeare at most See the booke of the Armies Declarations page 112. And did not the present Generall in his Remonstrance of the 8 of August 1647 declare that it was his ernest indeavour and the indeavor of the Armie to settle a sound and lasting peace on good termes for the Interest of the Nation but in stead of the hoped for fruit of their labours and hazards and of the Nations vast expence in the dispenceing of justice and righteousnes and the settleing and upholding of common right and Freedome to the people of England wee found saith the Generall c. immediatly the cross workings of a strong and prevalent partie in the parliament and Kingdome who walkeing under the maske of the Parliaments Freinds but being in truth men of corrupt and private ends and Interests different from and destructive to the real and common Interest of the Kingdome made use of their power to obstruct pervert justice to injure oppress and crush the peaceable and well-affected people of the Kingdome to abridge and overthrow all just Freedome and liberty and drive on designes to set up a partie and faction in the Parliament and Kingdome and by the advantage of a PERPETV AL PARLIAMENT to dominere over and enslave the Kingdome to posterity and for that end to make such a peace with the King if any as without any just provision for the common and true Interest of the People and the security therof for future which saith the Generall c. we were called out to vindicate and defend and had so long fought for those being saith he c. those just and public ends for which so much blood and treasure hath bin spilt and spent in the late warrs See the booke of the Armies Declarations page 129 132 134. Did not the Armie in their grand Remonstrance of 16 of November 1648 presented by them to the Parliament by the hands of COLL. EWERS once my Major and other Officers and tendered by them to the consideration of the whole Kingdome say as much for the necessity and utility of constant equall and successive Parliaments as it is all most impossible for any men in the world with tongues or penns to say more Reade their expressions in page 15 45 46 52 56 66 67 69. and are not these part of their words where speaking to the Parliament doe they not earnestly desire them First that they would set some reasonable and certaine period to their owne power by which time say they that great and supreme trust reposed in you shall be returned into the hands of the people for and from whom you received it that so you may give them satisfaction and assurance that what you have contended for against the King for which they have bin put to so much trouble cost and loss of blood hath bin only for their Liberties Common Interest not for your owne personall Interest or power Secondly that there may be a sound settlement of the peace and future Government of the Kingdome upon grounds of common Right Freedome and Safety to the effect here following First that from the end of this there may be a certaine succession of future Parliaments ANNV ALL OR BIENNIALL with secure provision 1 For the certainty of their meeting sitting and ending 2 For the equall distribution of Elections thereunto to render the House of commons as neare as may be an equall representative of the whole people electing 3 For the certainty of the peoples meeting according to such distributions to elect and for their full Freedome in elections Provided that none who have